Schiavo Bill in senate

[Mass]

Frist just try to interrupt the budget vote to pass an unanimous consent on Terry Shiavo (sp). Luckily, it was stopped, but does somebody know what it is about?

[Bunny]

1. Maybe this?

>snip<
On Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., urged his chamber to save Schiavo.

"If we don't act or if somebody does not act, a living person who has a level of consciousness, who is self-breathing will be starved to death here in the next two weeks," Frist said.
>snip<

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=1&u=/ap/20050317/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman

[Mass]

5. I guess so

but what happened to Republicans wanting to keep the governement out of families?

Anyway, apparently, Boxer said some senators were not even consulted. They are really trying to avoid the debate.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. It stopped the moment

they came into people's bedrooms and when they tried to touch our (women) bodies.

[atreides1]

7. But It's Okay to Kill Living People with bombs and bullets

But for Frist it's okay to drop bombs on living people who have done nothing more then to be the wrong color or worship the wrong God.

This man is s fucking hypocrite in the full meaning of the word.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Also speaking of Frist

didn't his family have a clinic where they made most of their money on abortion?

[Warpy]

12. It's a good thing Frist went into politics

because he sure doesn't seem to know much about medicine.

[SemperEadem]

36. he's right.. ther are a lot of poor people going without food right now

in this country, but I don't see them increasing the budgets for welfare programs and food stamps to make sure that doesn't happen. In fact, *'s budget is culling programs which are helping living, breathing folks whose brains are functioning and cognizent of their hunger--let's see Frist look to that instead of this knee-jerk emotional overreaction to something which is putting the sanctity of marriage and the legality of the role of the spouse in serious jeopardy.

What they are doing to the institution of marriage is far worse than allowing same sex couples the right to marry.


Besides, this will be struck down by the SCOTUS if it does by chance become enacted.

[Sannum]

2. Oh my god...

These people will stop at nothing, will they?

[puddycat]

6. what hypocrites Republicans are. Bomb babies but save brain dead people

[flpoljunkie]

10. Federal courts have declined to intervene in Schiavo case twice already.

This is tragic--making this poor brain-dead woman a political football, and shame on the Democrats who are too cowardly to just say no to this bill.

And kudos to Diane Feinstein who tried to intervene about this bill coming up for a vote out of nowhere--boy, was she cut off quick!

[FreedomAngel82]

18. There was one guy

last night on the House of Reps that was against the bill. He was saying how we should be working on other things like the money lost in Iraq, helping them get water and plumbing back etc.

[LVT]

3. George W. Bush "stands on the side of defending life."

Courts, Lawmakers Consider Ways To Keep Woman On Feeding Tube
Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube Due To Be Removed Friday

POSTED: 9:42 am PST March 17, 2005
UPDATED: 10:08 am PST March 17, 2005


snip...
And on Capitol Hill, the U.S. Senate will be taking up its own bill. The U.S. House has already passed a measure that would move the case to federal court.

A White House spokesman wouldn't comment on the legislation, but said President George W. Bush "stands on the side of defending life."

more...
http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4294428/detail.html

[Mass]

8. Which ones?

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Defending life?!

:wtf: If he's so for defending life what about all the soliders and Iraqi's killed?! What about him LETTING 9/11 happen?! JACKASS!

[Erika]

4. It's about government control voiding the marital contract

The government wants to place itself between the husband and wife and their rights/responsibilities to each other as codified.

[shoelace414]

9. Marriage Schmarriage

[napi21]

11. What's this doing in Washington??? It's in the Fl legislature now.

This was in the Fla paper yesterday.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-fschiavo16mar16,0,248691.story

How does it become an issue in DC while it's still being voted on in the State legislature? What the hell ever happened to States Rights? I always thought it was the Pubs who fought the Dems to let States decide things for themselves!

[flpoljunkie]

13. Craven politicians. The woman has become a political football now.

It is a tragedy.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Yep

They're trying to show their "compassionate" when we all know they aren't.

[Mass]

14. I imagine state rights are only fine

when they agree with the GOP.

[grumpy old fart]

17. State's Rights? There's only one Right with the Talibush....WWSD?

What Would Satan Do?

[paineinthearse]

21. Read the bills

and list of sponsors/cosponsors - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3287711

[UTUSN]

25. Who Are the Members of Congress on "Our" Side?

Unfortunately some advocates for the Disabled interpret the right to choose as "better-dead-than-Disabled".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3287711


Google "Incapacitated Persons Legal Protection Act" and you get a whole SLEW of wingnut and fundie sites ACTIVELY undermining individual choice and the Guardian's application of same.

Here's Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-0...

Here's a transcript of Michael SCHIAVO's Nightline appearance: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[frylock]

22. why didn't they just attach this schiavo bill as a rider..

to the 81B supplemental for junior's freedom war(s)? That way, if the Dems voted nay, they could've attacked them for hating on the troops.

[jtc]

23. Test her first!!!

She has not had an MRI or a CAT scan. Shouldn't they test her for brain activity before making a decision. If she has cognitive capabilities, she should be cared for and rehabilitated to whatever degree she is able. If she is brain dead, let her die in peace, and "harvest" her organs. Whatever the decision ends up being, it should be based on all of the information. TEST her!!!

[Mass]

24. Why does that require a bill in the Senate?

Just tell me. Are there no judges in Florida?

[jtc]

26. None of any quality

The judge that has decided to starve her has ignored the fact that he has no information upon which to make a decision.

Remember, it is the people's responsibility to monitor the courts. That is what the senate is doing.

[flpoljunkie]

27. She has been tested and found brain dead. Has been in courts for 7 yrs!

Her family will not let her die in peace. It is a tragic case.

[jtc]

28. Actually she has not.

There has never been a test of brain activity. In fact until now, it was never questioned that she was alive (that is why she has been fed for 7 years). If she is tested, the family is sure that she will be found alive. What will be the harm of doing the test? Why are you all so eager to let this poor woman starve to death?

[truebrit71]

29. She has had mulitple brain scans...she is brain dead. Period.

There is no 'there' there....

Time to let her go....

[flpoljunkie]

38. You may be interested in reading about "compassionate conservative" judge

who has handled this case for these past seven years. He is a deeply religious man and has had his life threated because of the very difficult decisions he has had to make in this case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/national/17greer.html?ei=5094&en=9d475b95baaafda2&hp=&ex=1111122000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all&position=

In Schiavo Feeding-Tube Case, Notoriety Finds Unlikely Judge
By ABBY GOODNOUGH


MIAMI, March 16 - For most of his career, Judge George W. Greer presided over mundane local disputes that drew little notice outside Pinellas County or even his courtroom. People who know him say he considers himself a "compassionate conservative," a man whose religious faith is as dear to him as his reputation as a legal scholar.

For the past seven years, though, Judge Greer, of Circuit Court, has been at the center of one of the nation's most contentious civil cases, the battle over whether to withdraw the feeding tube of a critically brain-damaged woman, Terri Schiavo. The case has made him a target of religious conservatives and others who object to ending any life prematurely. He resigned from his Southern Baptist church and lately travels under heavy police protection, not even going to lunch unaccompanied.

Over the years, the case has traveled all the way to the United States Supreme Court. Yet it always returns to Judge Greer, 63, who most recently ordered that Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube be removed on Friday. His finding that Mrs. Schiavo would rather die than be kept alive artificially, based on testimony from her husband, Michael, has prompted protests around the world.

Opponents have sent hundreds of letters and e-mail messages to the judge, picketed his courthouse in Clearwater, and,in a few cases, friends said, threatened his life. He stopped attending his longtime church, Calvary Baptist in Clearwater, in 2003 after it sent a publication to the congregation sharply criticizing him.

more...

[flpoljunkie]

39. Court-appointed doctors says Schiavo is in a "persistent vegatative state"

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Brain-Damaged-Woman.html?hp&ex=1111122000&en=ce7dd045076c1a45&ei=5094&partner=homepage

It seems cruel and inhuman to keep someone articially alive, who has been in a "persistent vegatative state"-- since 1990--and merciful to let her go.

[truebrit71]

30. They have. Her brain has liquified.

There is nothing left of 'Terri' just the human shell she used to use...

[Mass]

31. Anyway, what does this do in the US Senate

and why do they pertube the budget vote for it?

I think this is the main point for me. The rest should be matter for the family to deal.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

35. There have been tests! Her brain is full of spinal fluid.

THERE IS NO BRAIN LEFT.

[Cronquist]

41. I don't know why this person got toomed

But I think there is a valid point that this lady did not have a PET scan.

If there is nothing up-there then man I don't know.

It seems that this is at best a cloudy issue and people here think she has a duty to die.

The lesson is to get a medical will.

$0.02

[Bunny]

44. Oh for christ sake, educate yourself!

She's had test after test, time after time. Google is your friend, use it!

[Emboldened Chimp]

32. Why are is the "state's rights" party subverting the 10th Amendment?

You know, the one that says, in a nut shell, that the federal government won't trump state law? They're violating the Constitution for one brain-dead woman. Have they no decency?

[joanski01]

33. Dr. Senator Bill Frist said on

the Senate Floor this morning that she was not in a coma, so there is hope for recovery and that she should be kept alive. He said this bill was urgent, because when they are on recess for the next two weeks, she will starve to death.

Senator Kent Conrad said he would stop the voting on the Budget Resolution when the two sides have reached an agreement on the legislation and they will pass the bill. Diane Feinstein had a fit and said "Who has seen this legislation? I know nothing about it." The Repuke banged the gavel and started the proceedings back on the budget amendments. Why in the hell is this bill in the Senate???? Cuz Jeb, Rick Santorum, and chimpy said so???? What a dictatorship we live in.

[flpoljunkie]

37. Thanks for the thorough summation.

[Contrary1]

34. They need to stick with what they were elected to do...

you know, like dealing with matters that directly affect
every living person in this great land of ours. Those
urgent issues that keep so many of us awake at night.

ie: steroid use in baseball

[moobu2]

40. Frist is a liar, Terri Schiavo's cerebral cortex is virtually gone,

Her head is filled with spinal fluid.


Healthly brain:

Terri Schiavo's brain (dark blue is cranio/spinal fluid; light blue is remnants of brain tissue):

[beam me up scottie]

43. waiting to hear rtl response...

crickets...

crickets...

Yep, that argument is as empty as her cerebral cortex.

[Mass]

42. Bill passed

Not sure what it says, but the bill was passed in the senate by voice vote. Levin and Wyden said before they would oppose. Except that nobody did. It seems the bill passed was more restrictive than in the House, but still, why did it have to do with the Senate.

[alcuno]

46. The House passed a bill that covered everyone. The Senate bill

only covers Terri Schiavo. They may reconcile the two and they may not.

[Idioteque]

45. The Republicans are digging their grave with this.

My mom's boss is a HARDCORE Republican donor. He is best friends with Mike Bilirakus and Charlie Crist and he gives money to lots of Florida and federal Republican candidates. This year, he hasn't given money to any, and when they call to ask why, he tells them to mind their own business when it comes to Terri Schaivo.