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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:38 AM
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Kerry Intensifies Attack on Bush
Kerry Intensifies Attack on Bush
18 March 2005

Today’s L.A. Times has a story that highlight’s Kerry’s recent efforts to step up his attacks on Bush, including his Budget policy speech yesterday and his fight to save the Arctic Refuge from drilling earlier in the week.

In response to a question, Kerry charged that Bush's nomination of Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz as president of the World Bank would undermine the administration's efforts to rebuild ties with allies frayed by strains over the war in Iraq.

"Here are two people who come to the jobs quite dismissive of the very fundamental purposes and engagements that those entities have been involved in, and it will be felt in the rest of the diplomacy of this administration," Kerry said.


And, of course, let no MSM reporter write about Kerry or interview him with out asking the big ’08 question, which Kerry politely evades with talk about the importance of focusing on the House and Senate races of ’06.

MORE - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=580
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:42 AM
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1. He means it too! He knows just like you and I know that '06 is more
important than '08. We have to win one of the houses back to try to get the balance of power back. He also knows that the election reform is a must if we are going to win '06.

Give 'em hell JFK! Stay on the weed's ass! :loveya:

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:52 AM
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2. Yes he does... We've got a lot of work to do...
And everyone has got to get on the same page to be successful in '06.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:58 AM
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Nice article
And you're right too. I think it's so silly how they're focusing so hard on 2008. Why? :shrug: They "won" this last election so why talk about 2008? Don't they have enough to do? I think they're just rubbing it into his face and he's handeling it well. I'm glad Kerry's saying what he is. He knows 2006 is important if we ever want to hold Bush and his administration responsible for everything.
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Benno Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:54 AM
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3. just a random thought...
But I suspect that Bush will have to have an advisor put this particular sentence in layman's terms:

"Here are two people who come to the jobs quite dismissive of the very fundamental purposes and engagements that those entities have been involved in, and it will be felt in the rest of the diplomacy of this administration,"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:58 AM
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7. LOL - you are right!
He will never understand that statement.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

You appear to be right at home here. Be careful, it is very addicting!

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:04 AM
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30. That is exactly...
... what I thought. Kerry needs to learn to SPEAK ENGLISH THAT AMERICANS CAN UNDERSTAND.

Here's some help John, say this next time:

"Here are two people who are being asked to work with organizations they have consistently ridiculed in the past. How are they going to help us repair our ties with the rest of the world?"
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:41 PM
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40. I understand the man just fine as it is
I was amazed recently when I listened to an audio recording of one of FDRs speeches in which he used REALLY big, almost out-of-use words when addressing the American people. What's wrong with our politicians being smart? I would prefer a person in office who speaks articualte, intelligent, cogent English even if I from time to time need a dictionary. It makes me angry to think that well-spokenness has become a political liability for the "intellectual elite". Bullshit.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:01 PM
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45. exactly....
If you look at a newspaper article from 50-100 years ago, and compare one from today, you can see how dumbed down it all is now. Ignorance is a plague.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:58 PM
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71. But it is deliberate right-wing policy,
world-wide; and, of course, indispensable.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:52 PM
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63. This is now...
... that was then. I understand Kerry just fine also but that is not the point.

Kerry is willing to be pragmatic on some of his votes, maybe he should apply some of that pragmatism to learning to connect with average Americans. Talking like that isn't going to do it. One could easily make the argument that the intelligent thing to do would be to learn to speak in a way that average voters can understand. It can't be that damn difficult. It isn't necessarily "dumbing down" either.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:59 PM
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65. How about this one from the same article
"As a statement of fiscal responsibility, this budget is a sham. As a statement of priorities, it fails the test of common sense."

An improvement on the first quote, at least.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:12 PM
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103. True...
... that is much much better :)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #63
78. No worries, luminoso..
he always runs his speeches by me first....!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #40
110. I think plenty of people back then were smarter than our people today.
I'd like to know if there are studies.

Those that did get to go to school followed a rigourous course - Latin, literature, science.

The dumbing down is real.

So Kerry MUST get with it some day.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:11 PM
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90. The average swing voter needs to hear it in layman's terms.
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 08:11 PM by Dr Fate
Kerry is getting better- but he needs to drop the nuance and be more blunt.

"Bush's appointees have a history of dishonesty and corruption- they cant be trusted with our nations well-being."
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:54 AM
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4. That's what he needs to do...WTG!
That is excellent....I have always wondered why Gore never did the "I told you so circuit". I like this a lot.

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:57 AM
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6. So glad Kerry is not backing down...
knew he wouldn't!
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:30 AM
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11. I still have a couple of items that I need to deal with about Kerry.
But if he keeps this up.......I will soon forget all about it. :)

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:04 AM
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17. Glad to hear the later of that...
He'll keep it up... I've got a lot of faith in JK.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:51 PM
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97. WHERE WAS HE WHEN OUR VOTES WERE NOT BEING COUNTED?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:57 AM
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5. I love him. Hope he and his beautiful family are doing well.
IMHO, he is doing exactly what he said he would do. Go, Johnny, Go!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:59 AM
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8. DemocraticMajority in 06 - Impeacment in 07
Bush would shit his diapers if this happens.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:17 AM
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9. Ah... music to my ears!
Wouldn't that be sweet!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:29 AM
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10. That's what I live for.........
Christian retribution.

:-)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:10 AM
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20. My best dream ever. n/t
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:33 AM
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26. I'd throw a party!!!
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:39 AM
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33. Oh I hope so!
Chairman Dean is well on his way in that direction. Grass roots organizing can work. It will take a big tent 50-state party to show some real opposition to the fascists.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:41 PM
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91. LOL at "his diapers" n/t
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:30 AM
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12. Kerry and KerryGoddess strike again!
God/ess bless you all!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:33 AM
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13. And Shiva/Shakti bless you!
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:36 AM
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14. Thank you!
Wonderful picture there of our prez!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:59 PM
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79. What do you mean "Shadow"! (kidding...sort of)
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:44 AM
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15. I am so glad he came back out after that fraudulent election with his
boxing gloves on!!! Bush needs to be taken to task for all the lies and shit he and his neocon controllers spew and do.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:50 AM
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16. It's good to see him get some good press!
I think it is important that he is a voice of opposition against Pres. Bush.Bush has quite a cheering section in the MSM. Those of us who subscribe to reality are grateful. Thank you for this post!
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:17 AM
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19. My pleasure...
Reality is wonderful thing.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:11 AM
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18. Like the article said the other day.. they are ruining the "America brand.
And then - when they have made the rest of the world good and angry.. they will say the rest of the world is anti-America. And they will encourage the anti-Americanisms to get louder. Then when they attack Canada.. you guys cannot tell the difference what with the constant howling all over the world.

Sad really...:cry:
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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:56 AM
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21. I am amazed that anyone could take a clown like Kerry
seriously, he had his ass kicked by a speech impaired war criminal, an international bufoon who looted the treasury and invaded a Soverign country to loot its oil, and rigged elections here in his own country, then folded like a cheap suit before the returns were all in.

He may have been a hero once, but he is a craven little wimp today.

His wife has more courage than he has.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:26 AM
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22. Please, give it up dand
He won in a landslide. Everyone knows the election was stolen, even the repugs are beginning to face the music!
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:02 AM
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24. Excuse me....
1. John Kerry is not a clown. Clowns are not what they seem. The funny smiling face does not always reflect the true character of the wearer. The nitwit is a clown. He wears the false face... the Gacey of the political world.
2. John Kerry did not have his "ass kicked". He won the election by a considerable margin. It is one thing to know that what you own was stolen, another to prove it.
3. John Kerry is not a wimp. His military and political record are indicative of his strength and tenacity.
4. I do agree that the nitwit is "a speech impaired war criminal, an international buffoon" who continues to loot the treasury, and may well invade another Sovereign country if something isn't done to stop him and his malicious troop.
5. Since keeping track of the nitwit and his malicious troop is such a large job, I would suggest that we all welcome any and all allies we can find, and appreciate their efforts, rather than waste time and energy through unwarranted criticism.
Just my opinion, and I'm sticking with it.

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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:34 AM
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27. I concede that Kerry won the election by a landslide,
and we should all band together, but we need to find a person to support who will not quit at the drop of a hat.

Kerry is a quitter, his military service is worthy of respect, but his political record is proof that he blows with the wind.

I fear that we will have to wait until this wretched gang of criminals either bankrupts the country, or are caught red handed in some kind of international scandal that they can't lie their way out of before we are rid of them.

I do not see any Democrat on the horizon with the guts to challenge them effectively.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:44 AM
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28. For a "quitter" he's doing a hell of a job fighting Bush on every front
including litigation, senate voting, and speaking out in the media.

Otherwise, you're correct -- there's no one else on the horizon willing or able to challenge the Bush administration as effectively.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:30 PM
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56. Kerry is in the Senate now
He is one of the DEMOCRATS that is actually willing to stand and fight for OUR interests. It seems to me that we do not have the luxury of picking and choosing who we will support.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. We go into battle with the hero we have
not the hero we may need or want.

That may be Rummy's only positive contribution to society: the stretchable quote.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
60. You should watch the personal attacks
You wouldn't say that about other candidates. :grr:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #21
29. Wow...look it's Karl Rove everybody!
Your talking points are stale, wrong and utterly predictable...but thanks for playing!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:55 AM
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34. Yawn.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #21
49. It's so good to hear someone on the left agreeing with Rush Limbaugh
but I've always said that if you go too far to the left, you end up meeting the right on the other side. Perhaps y'all could go bowling.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
59. Oh, like someone else could have done so much better
Typical RW personal attacks. Nothing changes.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #21
61. You need to watch the personal attacks
and get over the primaries. :mad:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:21 PM
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67. Horseshit. 90% of the broadcast media kept that buffoon propped up.
and NO Dem was able to cut through to overcome the stake the corporate media had in Bush.

Most people had Clinton responsible for 9-11 and even his book tour and the 9-11 commission report didn't overcome the mainstream media nailing Clinton while Bush was promoted "strong on terror" day after day.

Most people had all the Dem nominees perceived falsely in one way or another and NONE of them succeeded in overcoming the labels put on them by the GOP controlled media.

Kerry did amazingly well with 90% of the broadcast media propping up Bush on a daily basis.

He probably even won. And his ass was NEVER kicked by Bush. Unfiltered by the media, Kerry won all 3 debates DECISIVELY. Another candidate might not have performed as decisively and the media would have given Bush and his Bushmoonies in the press further room to spin the debates as a win.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 09:51 PM
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92. I take him quite seriously
he did not have his "ass kicked".

he is not a "craven little wimp"

His wife does have courage. I doubt she would have married a "craven little wimp".

He is showing himself to be more of a hero with each passing day, as well as showing himself to be....well, exactly the opposite of a wimp.

I cannot believe how democrats (or supposed democrats) continue to bash the people who are out there fighting for us. WHY do you do the rethugs work for them? If you, personally, don't like someone, that's fine. WHY do you feel the need to come on here and bash him like a child would do? Instead, why not support the things he and other democrats are doing to try to fight against the assholes running this country into the ground?
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #21
108. "A clown like Kerry," you say?
Well, Mr. Rove, I think you're on the wrong message board. Calling Kerry a "craven little wimp" isn't going to win you many friends here. Take your stale winger talking points somewhere else. :grr:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:42 AM
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23. Too little too late.
That is just fact. We can quit hoping now. The big event has come and gone. Bush is in for 4 more years no matter how miserable we will all be. Kerry can grandstand all he wants to now. It'll do none of us any good. The repugs have complete and total control over both house and senate. They will steamroll anything they want through there. I guess for some, listening to the spines of some of these democrats develop is somewhat hopeful. Of course, we could look at it as merely the big preseason event for '08...
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #23
32. ok, let's all just give up now and forever
our lives are hopeless. the end of the world has come.

:eyes:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #32
54. Ahh, you forgot
We are doooooooooooooooooooomed :eyes:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #54
74. Pardon me, I think you meant "double-dog dooooooomed".
:hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:19 PM
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81. Like this???
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. ROFL. If I ever got a tattoo,
I think I would want it to be that.

:)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #81
89. now that smiley is funny. n/t
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:57 AM
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35. Double yawn
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:58 AM
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38. Exactly. The time for Kerry to have taken a stand was last November.
Kerry fights safe, imo. Taking on the political power brokers was just too risky during Selection II. He sold his hard working constituents down the river to buy some political capital for 2008. That said, I applaud his current work in the Senate. But if he votes for another invasion of a sovereign nation, MA citizens should throw him out.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:04 PM
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93. Not exactly
I would submit that Kerry fights SMART. There was not a chance in hell of having PROOF, which is what he would have needed to challenge any election results. I am hopeful that one day there will be proof, but I prefer that Kerry has his integrity, and didn't allow the RW media to turn him into a sore loser madman, running around yelling "fraud" with no proof. And they would have. And it would have worked.

I believe he is now doing everything he can to stop the current regime from continuing to destroy the country. I appreciate his work, and am glad the the election theft seems to have spurred him on, rather than make him retreat. He could not be doing this if he had allowed the media to make a fool of him.

There's fighting safe, and there's fighting stupid. I think he just doesn't fight stupid - it doesn't necessarily mean safe. Many of the things he has fought have not been "safe" things. He still fought them.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:54 PM
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41. We are fighting NOW and laying the groundwork for 2006
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:08 PM
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46. Too legit to quit
Too bad so sad you can't see that.

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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
53. So let's just crawl into our cave, and hope
** does not destroy the Earth in the next 4 years.

Sounds like a plan to me :eyes:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #23
62. He is NOT grandstanding. He is doing what he said he would do
Get over the primaries.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 08:16 AM
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25. The MSM, kerrygoddess?? Surely YOU don't consider them mainstream...
Please, please, PLEASE call them the Corporate Media!! There's NOTHING mainstream about their sick agenda of greed and manipulation.

Rant over. Kerry on.

NGU.


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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:36 PM
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58. NothingWithoutHope had a campaign to re-name them the "Poodle Press"
Nothing to see here, just spreadin freedom

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:40 PM
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76. Very good point, ClassWarrior.
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 05:51 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Framing the debate is crucial, isn't it.

Strictly in terms of the media, such as they are, I disagree that they are not mainstream, despite the fact that they convey only such partisan information/propaganda as suits their paymasters' purposes. (I suspect Ted Turner, the last of the just, realised that he was faced with an offer for CNN, formal or informal, that he simply "couldn't refuse").

But that is now no more than a sad fact, familiar for a long time to most people with a smidgeon of worldly intelligence; whereas identifying the corruption and subversion of the news and current affairs the today's corporate media peddle, will remain one of societies' most urgent tasks.

The UK has little to boast about in that connection, either, though currently (relatively speaking) honesty is holding up rather well, since the media want to get rid of Blair now, in favour of their older more obviously recidivist friends, the Tories.

Ironically, not so long ago, the CEO (certainly one of the top executives), I believe, of the Guardian was very cosy with Blair, and it was not difficult to tell. Blair may not even have the Dirty Digger on his side now, if Rupe thinks he's a busted flush.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:23 AM
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31. Applause!
Keep it up!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:01 AM
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36. He is just going to continue to do it too. He really is the Shadow
President. He's wonderful. We must win back the Congress in 06, but Kerry running in '08 (with a fair election system in place) would be bliss. They will have nothing new to throw at him this time. They used up their bag of lies and tricks this time out. We've got to show our support and stick with him.

Kerry/Boxer '08
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:55 AM
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37. Kerry will keep
on speaking out and fighting back, that is why he has all my respect.
People can say whatever that want but I maintain Senator John Kerry has class and heart.:)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 12:36 PM
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:31 PM
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42. Kerry has a right to speak out as a citizen and a Senator
Even if he lost by a landslide, which he didn't, he would have every right to express his views. As a Senator, he has a responsibility to do his job. I would be quite upset if one of my Senators (NJ) announced that henceforth as Bush won the election, he was going to remain silent and vote for Bush's agenda.

Kerry is making strong, substantive arguments on what he thinks is wrong in the Bush agenda. The media can cover him or not cover him. People can ignore him, criticize him or cheer him on. Kerry is now one of many voices the Democrats have - and he in the last few months has actually been one of the strongest.

He is using his increased visibility to speak out, but he's also been working with the rest of the party. He has repeatedly argued for the need to focus on grassroots and the 2006 elections.
He has been talking to Dean and gave the DNC a million dollars left from last year, he's done one big fund raiser for Hillary(06) and will be doing another, and he was one of several Democrats on the SS tour. He's worked with Cantwell and Boxer on ANWR.

He has been trying to create a ground swell of support for the Kids First health Insurance plan, which several Senators are co-sponsoring including both of mine. If using public support, allows a member of the minority to actually get legislation through, Kerry will have simultaneously found a tool forgetting things the majority want when the party is out of power and will have created more politically active grassroots. Even if unsuccessful the second thing is accomplished and it highlights a differentiating issue between Democrats and Republicans where we are on the popular side.

Kerry as a 27 yr old private citizen had the guts and enough faith in our government to speak out courageously, he had the guts to investigate the contras and BCCI, so why would anyone be surprised that he is willing to speak out when he is a Senator from a safe seat and a man, whose party thought enough of him to nominate him for President.

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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:44 PM
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43. Of course he does and I respect him for it. I supported him through
the primaries. A year before the election I hoped he would win the nomination because I wanted to see him tear Bush apart in the debates.

My feelings now are that we could not have had as strong an attack on the right wing machine as we could have had because we had so many people running in the primaries. Rove had 4 years to plan for the election and we had a few months once we knew who was going to run. That wasn't Kerry's fault. He is a good man and he would have made a good President.

I personally feel that we need someone else now to speak for us. Kerry had his chance and it didn't end up in victory.

The next repub will be as prepared to run as we will be because he/she will not be an incumbent.

I'm still very disappointed that Kerry lost and a part of me faults him for it. I guess I am mad at him for losing.

Why can't we crack that right wing machine? Why don't we have moles there? Why do we let them define us? Why do we let them control the message and the media? I ask Kerry that but get no answer. Why did the swift boat liars have such a success? That is what I want to here Kerry talk about. I want to win damn it! Attacking Bush is not going to do it! It didn't do it last year and it has little effect now.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:15 PM
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50. I wanted to win too
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 03:21 PM by karynnj
I don't know who I want to run in 2008. If someone appears and seems more likely to win - given the issues in 2008, I will support him/her. At this point, the fact that Kerry is speaking out as strongly as he is may really be because he has nothing to lose and feels he can do more for the party and the country by speaking out. If he weren't doing this and was voting less consistently liberal, he would be accused of trying to remain political viable.

In speaking out, he may make himself unelectable, but help whomever the Democratic candidate is by articulating the negatives of the Bush agenda. I am not concerned with him being an extra voice, because I think that by 2008, he will back off if he's not one of the clear favorites. I don't expect him to be 2008's Joe Lieberman claiming a moral victory in being in a three way tie for third, when he's in 5th place.

I don't think anyone has figured out the answer to the RW media. I haven't heard anyone suggest how to either get the media more balanced or how to reach people effectively when the media is reinforcing right wing talking points. Legislating fairness is impossible, because we are not strong enough to do it.

The combined income of the blue states exceeds that of the red states, so an economic threat might work. It might be possible for people to demand that their cable company not include the cable news channels because they are too RW.

I think with the siftboat liars, they'd already batted them away twice. In August, when their book came out, it was a pretty clever (but despicable) smear - there were hundreds of charges by what appeared to be hundreds of people who APPEARED to have served with him. It was a much more sophisticated attack then any faced by McCain or Cleland, who had 3 or 4 devastating charges that they had difficulty diffusing. It was also FAR harder to resolve than the issues thrown at Clinton in 1992 - so his vaunted rapid response team may not have done any better. (Clinton had far less of a right wing echo chamber against him.)

Trying to dispute every serious charge took time and by its very nature made Kerry look defensive.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:13 PM
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48. If THIS makes him look like a sore loser
Imagine what contesting the vote would have done.

But this might partially put to rest those who say he didn't want to look like a sore loser.

Sadly, he'll get nailed no matter what. If he was silent, some would bitch that he should open his mouth. If he opens his mouth, others may say that the criticism need to come from elsewhere lest Kerry just be called a sore loser. Cest la vie.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:22 PM
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52. Kerry is a Senator
Unlike so many sorry, he is actually representing his constituents. He is doing a mighty fine job of it.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:41 PM
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77. More than his constituents when you think of it
His constituents would be MA residents. He's representing his supporters all across this country!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:20 PM
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82. Absolutely
I just figured I'd stick with baby steps... ;)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:02 PM
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80. ".... after the votes were counted."?
You've got to be kidding.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:55 PM
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44. Sadly, it makes no difference whether Kerry's fights or not
I would not have known this if I hadn't come to DU and read it. You see in other democratic countries the news is always covering what the 'opposition' is howling about. Here they simply build a big surge of nationalism around "da' Victor" and not one thing--not one--is reported that comes out of the mouths of anyone in opposition. It is as if half the voters who did not vote "Bush" simply do not exist anymore and neither does any opposition party. We can't even get the "opposition" covered" during an election campaign. We are not reaching anyone but ourselves sadly.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:10 PM
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47. Unless you live in LA apparently
Is the LA Times usually better at covering this stuff?
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:20 PM
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51. It is being covered by the print media
and it is all over the Internets

Everything we do makes a difference. It may not be as big as we would like, and it may not come as fast as we would like, but our efforts are having an impact.

The WORST thing that we could possibly do is adopt a defeatist attitude. This is going to be a long, hard fight, and we are going to lose a lot of battles, but that is not an excuse to shrink back in despair and defeat.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:39 PM
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75. Actually it was in the news...
The LA Times wrote this the day after Kerry's budget speech and they used the speech as the main topic of the story. Thursday the speech was all over the news, AP, Rueters, etc. Many local tv stations picked it up...

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Lefergus70 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:29 PM
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55. I wish Kerry would put some zip in his speech.
"Here are two people who come to the jobs quite dismissive of the very fundamental purposes and engagements that those entities have been involved in, and it will be felt in the rest of the diplomacy of this administration" Kerry said.

A highbrow sentence like that just doesn't connect with people. I'm no F.D.R. (who was a master at communication) but I'll make a stab at a rewrite: "Here are two people who have mocked much of what those world organizations stand for. Their appointments tell other countries that diplomacy is over."

Well, I'm sure anyone could do better.



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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 03:56 PM
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64. What about farther down in the article
"As a statement of fiscal responsibility, this budget is a sham. As a statement of priorities, it fails the test of common sense."

I thought that was pretty plain spoken and direct. Better than the first one, at least.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:53 PM
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70. That was good.
Here's another: "He's sending a UN-hater to the UN, and the Republicans call that 'reaching out'.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:36 PM
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73. I wish people would get a clue.
The only thing highbrow is your insinuation that you could do better. Judge not that you may be judged.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:21 PM
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:24 PM
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68. Yes, I love it when we kick others while they are down and talk others up
More Kerry bashing. Gee.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 04:31 PM
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69. Ignore them
Dont lose your time on comments like that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:50 PM
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:39 PM
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87. "cultist" sounds a bit like a personal attack
Doncha think?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 05:33 PM
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:29 PM
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83. Have you forgotten?
SUPER Kerry!!! If he would just get out that damn cape, he could single handedly defeat the entire ** cartel, just like he could have done before the election.



Please, Super Kerry, SAVE US
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:14 PM
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85. He did!
Over and over again at his rallies Kerry attacked Bush. But the networks and cable news would only cover a 30 second sound bite. Unless you were there, or were watching Cspan, you didn't hear it. But I was and I did.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:47 PM
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88. Perhaps you forget that he WAS attacking Bush during the campaign
They didn't carry it on the Cartoon Channel, however. ESPN didn't cover it either. Nor Faux Snooze...

See if your remote works.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:28 PM
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94. '06 is VERY important....
...without Dem gains, we'll be kissing Rove butt again in '08!
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:28 PM
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95. Am I stating the obvious if I say that he shoulda done it 6 months ago
:shrug:
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:45 PM
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96. well... yes. shoulda coulda woulda... we have to go by what is
IMHO
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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:06 AM
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98. Too bad we didn't see this headline in August
His instincts kicked in waaay too late
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 12:10 AM
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99. Like somebody else's could have been better
Blame his cautious campaign people for that.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 07:34 AM
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100. In August, he was running for president. Now he's standing and fighting.
Don't you wish every Dem would stop running long enough to land a few punches?

I sure as heck do!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:34 AM
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101. Why is he FINALLY attacking?
He should have during election 2004.

My respect for him has not returned, nor will it for some time - if ever.
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marcologico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:39 AM
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102. Uh, because the Senate is in session and it's his job?
Just a guess.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:19 PM
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104. Because the MEDIA told you he didn't say anything important against Bush
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 06:21 PM by blm
during the campaign, you believed them?

They only seemed to have time for the Swiftvetliars and Bush's terror alerts and hey...there's a Bin Laden video where he's endorsing Kerry.

Kerry was attacking Bush every day. He was talking about the ISSUES everyday. The media CHOSE to eliminate those attacks on Bush and the issues from their reports while they kept the boyking propped up on the hyped up "Terror" issue.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:32 PM
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105. it's true, blm
The media only wanted the sensational stuff. "shove it" got more attention than a major policy speech from John Kerry. They'd show a bit of a rally, then cut away or TALK OVER the sound while Kerry was speaking on screen, as if all we really wanted to do was watch the pictures, and would rather hear news anchor chatter instead. It was maddening. Without Cspan we'd have had practically nothing, but unfortunately many people don't find that channel entertaining enough, or they don't get cable. The power of the media is frightening.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:25 AM
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106. .
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 07:57 PM
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107. Better Late Than Never
I've been very impressed with John Kerry lately, and a few other Democrats, finally starting up an attack and continuing it. If we ever get the insane asylum back on track again, and refer to issues from time to time, I hope we will resume the calls for investigations, proposed Amendments, etc. Good to have attacks coming from somebody with Kerry's dignity and calm, although I agree that things could be put just as articulately, and simpler. I think Kerry learned something about the Republican devil during and after this "election"--that they are total criminals who will exploit anything, liars, vicious bullies, a true conspiracy who, after stabbing you in the back, will run up to you with a grin, to shake your hand, because they know the camera is on them. Then they will wait five seconds and stab you again.

On one of these threads on DU, can't remember which, somebody made a great point that when the Kerry-Edwards campaign officially challenged the Ohio results, they should not have sent only lawyers, but computer programmers and other experts, as only they would've been able to find the tampering. This was maybe the best single point I read on the situation, and I apologize I can't remember who made the comment. It goes along with a thought I had at the time, wondering why the Kerry lawyers didn't get a court order to seize the voting machines so they couldn't be tampered with, for the recount. Oh well.

Regardless, you only accomplish good by fighting these people, not by being "nice" and going along. Thank God, that seems clear to more and more of them all the time. I was impressed with Teresa Heinz before, as early as the Iowa caucus, on C-SPAN, and am more impressed with Kerry finally now too.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:37 PM
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109. One of the things they asked for was to impound the voting machines.
The court hasn't ruled yet! That is why we haven't any proof!
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