Tom Harkin said before you count Dean out remember Dukakis lost Iowa

[MIMStigator]

He said that to Larry King.

:shrug:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. Not the Best Comparison, IMO

:shrug:

DTH

[Cheswick2.0]

2. Clinton lost IA too

he also lost NH. Carter lost IA to "undecided".

[Maddy McCall]

11. For the 100th time, that is not a valid comparison; Clinton didn't compete

in Iowa.

[TLM]

22. All the more reason it is valid... Iowa makes little difference

Some folks don't even bother with Iowa and do fine. Some folks did badly in Iowa and still won.


Iowa really doesn't make much difference.

[TrueAmerican]

3. LOL

n/t

[AP]

4. Dukakis was the NE liberal establishment favorite, and SHOULD have been

counted out after IA.

In Blumenthal's book the Clinton Wars he laments over the Dukakis nomination -- "what were we thinking???" He said he and his friends invented the perfect candidate after that loss. Four years later, that candidate ran: Bill Clinton.

Iowa was a message to the hierarchy about Dukakis that the hierarchy ignored. They revived him when he should have died.

[eissa]

7. What's wrong with NE liberals?

Why must the south continue to dictate who runs for president? We've had great leaders from the north, south, east and west. I'm tired of this meme that "New England liberals" can't win in the south. We're one country, damn it!

[HFishbine]

10. Southerner here

who wouldn't mind "a northeast liberal" in the least.

[AP]

14. Hopefully the NE liberal elite in power corridor don't share your opinion.

Hopefully the NE'ers who really pick the president will pick the southerner who can win.

[Maddy McCall]

19. Nor I

[AP]

13. Have you read the Clinton Wars? Blumenthal, a NE liberal (actually Chicago

but educated and worked in Mass and DC rest of his life) admitted that the power-corrider (DC-NY-Bos) picked the wrong candidate when they picked Dukakis. He said Clinton was the right candidate.

It's not an issue of the south dictating who runs for president, actually. It's making sure that people in the power corridor in the NE pick the right southerner to run for president, if you read between Blumenthals' lines. Isn't that funny?

[Maddy McCall]

16. The south doesn't dictate...voters vote for the candidate they like

and for some reason, Southerners who have been elected predominate the list.

You guys need to quit whining about Southerners votes mattering.

[chocolateeater]

5. Well, I for one

am glad to see that Senator Harkin isn't running away.O8)

[Jack_Dawson]

6. and we remember where THAT led

[madrchsod]

8. out in the far western part of iowa

anyone can get lost.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. He also lost the election.

[w4rma]

12. Clinton lost Iowa and won the election, also. (n/t)

[AP]

15. Clinton didn't campaign in Iowa, so bad comparison.

[Maddy McCall]

21. Right...Clinton in 92 is more comparable to Clark in 04

Clinton didn't campaign in Iowa, 92.
Clark didn't campaign in Iowa, 04.

Clinton finished second to Tsongas,92.
Clark will probably finish second to Kerry, 04.

From there on out, I expect there to be remarkable similarities in Clinton's and Clark's primary wins.

[TacticalPeek]

24. Precismo.

And with the advantage of being able to consult The Natural, Clark's GE win.

[AP]

25. Clinton had a good reason not to go to IA (Harkin). Clark didn't.

We'll see if it hurt him.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Well maybe Harkin shoulda used him as an example instead.

[JohnKleeb]

20. Because Harkin knows he was also in that primary

I am not dissing Harkin, I like him a lot, just share different candiates.

[John_H]

17. Tom Harkin is trying to avoid looking like he picked the wrong guy.

[AP]

26. Harkin might be following party orders: support Dean on the surface,

plant seeds of doubt subliminally. Dean's like Dukakis? Huh?

Didn't Harkin give Edwards a compliment in his Dean endorsement?

[TacticalPeek]

23. Reminding me of '88 reminds me of why I pull for Clark,

and Edwards.


Please, please, God, let us win.

[TexasSissy]

27. Ha ha ha ha ha. Did he really say that? Seriously?

[angee_is_mad]

28. BAD example, lol