Which of these presidential tickets would you vote for?

[Ian David]

Poll question: Which of these presidential tickets would you vote for?

This is based upon a prior thread:

If you could have any of the following as the '08 nominee--who?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1724072#

[Sandpiper]

1. My heart says Boxer at the top of the ticket

But my head says we'll have to have a female Veep before we have a female Prez.


I think it would be too much for the sexist vote to swallow.

[Ian David]

2. Agreed. I don't think a female can win the presidency yet

The good news is that also means we're unlikely to be stuck with Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Dole.

I still want to see Barbara Boxer run in the primaries, if for no other reason than to keep the debate from sliding too far to the right.

Anyway, does someone want to make a Clark/Boxer graphic yet?

[LiberalVoice]

5. In regard to your graphic of Kerry.

Who the hell eats a sandwich like that? lol

[Ian David]

7. I think the sandwich photo might be doctored

[lojasmo]

23. I disagree, I predict 2008 will see the first female POTUS

I think it will be Clinton v. Rice.

I predict Rice will win.

[jsw_81]

25. I don't think so

No way does a female "San Francisco" liberal get elected to national office. At least not anytime soon.

[RedstDem]

27. Your Almost Right

This Country Aint Ready For A Female On The Ticket at All !
& It's A Shame...

[napi21]

3. None of the above!

I don't believe any of them can win.

[Ian David]

6. None of them? Who would you pick?

And don't say "Sharpton."

I'm trying to keep this serious.

Margaret Cho or Jon Stewart have a better chance than Sharpton.

Actually, I have a better chance than Sharpton.

Actually, now that I think of it, I'd like to see Robert Reich run for President or Vice President!

[napi21]

11. I don't know. That decision is at least 3 years away.

I can't predict what's going to happen between now and then, and so many unforseen evenets change the picture completely!

If the election were in 2006, I'd lean to Biden, Finegold, maybe Warner, but I'd prefer a Governor, and at this point, I'm not familiar with any that would qualify.

[The Gigmeister]

20. You're trying to "Keep this serious"??

And you have Senator Boxer all over the place?

She is no more viable on the national level than Sharpton!!

[proud patriot]

4. I'd like to see 2 women on the ticket

I'd vote for Boxer in a heartbeat

[bullimiami]

12. clinton/boxer

thats 2 women and I think they COULD win.

I think if Hillary runs she has the nomination. She is as tough a nut as any repug.
Not even close to my ideal but she is 20 steps closer to sanity than bushco.

[wyldwolf]

8. the best, most strategic one on your list is Clark/Dean

...followed by Kerry/Clark

[The Gigmeister]

21. Exactly.

[MoonRiver]

9. Clark/Boxer!!

:woohoo:

There are so many brilliant people on DU! B-)

[pelagius]

40. I didn't even think of this combo until I saw the poll...

...and I think it's brilliant!

[LdyGuique]

10. You leave out Feingold and poll on celebrities?

[Digit]

13. Edwards/Boxer eom

[Clark2008]

14. Voted Clark/Boxer, but think Clark/Warner would have a better shot.

[Ian David]

18. OK, Sell us on Clark/Warner in five minutes worth of reading or less

[FrenchieCat]

30. I personally prefer Clark/Boxer to Clark/Warner '08

A woman on the ticket in 2008 is do-able due to all of the Hillary and Rice talk now...., although I don't think it could be achieved in 1st position. Veep is a more realistic goal for a woman at a time where we are regressing and not progressing.

Two white man on the ticket may be tiresome and lack the same appeal that a woman attached to a strong man on a ticket would have.

Out of any potential candidate, I would suggest that Clark is the best contender in having a woman as Veep. Clark appeals to some many as a strong and masculine leader, until a woman would not give reduce the ticket to a "too soft" one. A

I would submit that although Boxer might end up being a bit too liberal to some of our nation's voters, Clark neutralizes this due to his moderate persona generated by his military history.

I would add that, in fact, Boxer on the ticket would energize many women, and those voters (who hate anything military) tempted to go 3rd party and keep them on board...while Clark would attract the more moderate/conservative factions and many in the military.

With Boxer, the domestic populist legislative experience shores up the ticket, and adds to complement Clark's vast creds in NS and FP.

Warner would brings moderation on a ticket which would already be perceived as moderate with just Clark. Warner would not "connotate" change in the way that Boxer might as VP. Instead, Warner connotates a "back to 1992" approach, which I don't think would end up as effective as what some would like to conjure.

Also, I find Boxer to be more of a non-apologist "pit-bull" type...which is what a Veep's requirement ought to be.

A Clark/Boxer ticket, in fact, would be the best "non-apologist re-frame the debate 'vote for your own interest' duo that I can think of. That combo, would be a forceful one in fighting "Republican" noise machine. I can't imagine any attacks going unanswered with those two. I think that a retired General and an outspoken strong woman (such as Boxer) would be our best hope at garneshing media attention as well. Just the uniqueness of the ticket would be news worth covering.

That's my take.....of course.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. Can we make you his '08 campaign manager?

[FrenchieCat]

45. Hey, Thanks! That would be grand!

But, I'll stick to my day job for now. :hi:

[Crunchy Frog]

47. You'd certainly do a better job than one of those party "insiders"

who haven't got a clue as to what's really going on in society, or what real human beings are like and what they respond to.

[FrenchieCat]

48. They do suck, don't they?

:thumbsdown:

[CTyankee]

56. I supported Clark initially in 04

but he had a problem in understanding a lot of women's issues. He wasn't bad on the issues, just not up to speed in his knowledge base. Boxer would be a great spokesperson for those issues. As for her being a San Francisco liberal, we may find ourselves in a very different ball game in 08. At this rate, these right wingers are losing favor with the American public very fast. The country might be so sick of these wackos that their screaming about liberals will fall on deaf ears. That is, if we make it to 2008 (and I'm worried).

[OneBlueSky]

15. I refuse to play . . . the energy expended speculating about . . .

the 2008 Democratic slate would be much better utilized ensuring that Republican-controlled electronic voting is forever banished from the election process . . . without that, we could have a slate of FDR and JFK and we'd still lose . . .

[safi0]

16. If people are

really sick of Bush and the Washington establishment a Clark/Warner ticket could be quite strong. But the one I really like: Clark/Feingold I think it would be extremely difficult for Republicans to beat that ticket

[Ian David]

17. OK, Sell us on Clark/Feingold in five minutes worth of reading or less

[Robeson]

28. Agree.

[The Gigmeister]

19. Why is Boxer even being considered here?

I'm not looking to start a flame-war, but can we be realistic??

Senator Boxer on the ticket would doom us...

"A liberal from the most liberal state".

I can't believe the results of this poll. Did I walk through a dimensional door or something this morning??

[WI_DEM]

22. hey, I thought Massachusetts and Vermont were more liberal

Except for LA and the Bay Area California has alot of conservative areas.

[robcon]

24. Ridiculous Poll without Clinton

The poll doesn't include Hillary Clinton.

[bitchkitty]

26. Clark, Clark, Clark, Clark, Clark!

Already it's starting.

I'll hold my nose and vote for whomever the nominee is. I won't vote for Clark in the primaries (if he runs) unless there's no better choice.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Thanks for the enlightened post.

The case you made, is certainly your own.

[bitchkitty]

38. I think you mean "enlightening" but

that's okay. I'm not the only one who'll be dismayed if the "Clark is the answer to our prayers" crowd gets going again.

[FrenchieCat]

41. I didn't state that your post was "enlightening" for a reason.....

Glad you noticed.

You know how it is when folks say something without really saying anything at all? I call those posts enlightened....which means as much as the content of the post.

[bitchkitty]

50. Um, that's really interesting. n/t

[ProudToBeLiberal]

29. umm wheres feingold? ...nt

[demokatgurrl]

35. Apparently dismissed because of his divorce.

[woosh]

32. Clark/Reid

[beyurslf]

33. How about Dem/Dem. Looks good to me.

[demokatgurrl]

34. I want that bumper sticker! Where did you get it? n/t

[Radical Activist]

36. Stewart/Moore

I don't want a ticket with Clark or Dean.

[FrenchieCat]

42. really?

That's deep.:shrug:

[Totally Committed]

37. Clark/Boxer is my dream ticket.... (n/t)

TC

[Clarkie1]

39. Clark and Boxer will both be on Maher's show on HBO tonight. n/t

[rzemanfl]

43. What about a Gore/Kerry/Kerry/Gore ticket where they agree

that on January 20th of the second year of their term one of them will resign as President and then immediately be appointed to the vacant Vice-Presidency. They could run with the slogan: "Let the guys you really elected run the country this time. The other guys really fucked things up."

[FrenchieCat]

46. Cute....

but no cigar.

[rzemanfl]

54. I take it you would never ride in a car driven by someone whose

previous car had been stolen?

[Schema Thing]

49. I like the sound of Clark/Boxer, but I went with Clark/Dean

As I know about Dean, and I just don't know much about Boxer except for her recent heroics.

[cosmokramer]

52. The problem is, and take no offense...

...Dean would drag the ticket down, not raise it up. He has a bad reputation now, and would be a laughable choice for General Clark.

I see more of a Clark/Warner, Clark/Feingold, Clark/Boxer thing happening here. I don't see any New England candidates anywhere on a ticket.

[JHBowden]

51. Out of the above, Kerry/Clark

We would have much trouble winning with Dean or Boxer on the ticket. Granted, Kerry needs some spirit and Clark can use some political skillz, but those were the options I was given.

[cosmokramer]

53. Kerry couldn't beat the WORST PRESIDENT EVER....

...I wouldn't want him anywhere near a ticket in 2008.

If you can't beat Dumbya, who had at the time an approval rating of 46%, you got appeal problems. And I don't want to hear another Swiftboat ad...

[rzemanfl]

55. By enough votes to make up the millions that were stolen or

supressed.

[blm]

57. The worst president who 90% of the media claimed was the best on terror

issues.

The worst president had 90% of broadcast media protecting all his failures on 9-11 and terror while proclaiming that no Democrat understood the war on terror like Bush.

The worst president had no media investigating the fact that 80% of the voting machines used were under the control of TWO people loyal to that worst president.

[cosmokramer]

58. Conspiracy theory aside...

...KERRY FLAT OUT DID NOT ENERGIZE PEOPLE! All the gung-ho young voters STAYED HOME (as they almost always do), voter turn-out was only up slightly from the previous Presidential election, and our seniors went with Dumbya. Yes, there was some disparity in coverage and media reports, but the FACT of the matter is Kerry was not charismatic, energizing, and did not FIGHT when he needed to FIGHT. He let the Swifties slaughter him.

He runs again, we LOSE again, and I am sick of fuc*ng losing because we choose the damn liberal New England candidates. I love NE liberals (I am one), but we have to be smart. We have to have a candidate that can WIN.

Forget Kerry--I don't make the same mistakes twice.

[blm]

65. Hahah..."gung ho young voters" do NOT stay home. You are flat out wrong

and absurd to make such a claim. Noone who is gung ho to vote decided to stay home because of Kerry.

Gung ho young voters showed up by the tens of thousands to Kerry's campaign rallies.

What an ABSURD declaration to post when it couldn't be farther from the facts and the data that backs it up.

Kerry had about 10 million more votes than even Gore did. And he didn't have to rig machines to get those. He probably had a lot more.

[JHBowden]

63. Clark couldn't beat Kerry.

Put two and two together.

Fraud and swiftsmearing can happen to Clark too. The GOP would smear Clark as an unstable war criminal that almost started WW3. We can defeat this by sticking together. I was in the Dean camp in 2004 and don't have the energy for another divisive primary.

Let us expend our ammo on the Republicans. Please.

[Leftest]

59. It says I can't vote :(

But if I could, I would agree with the majority. I would love to see Clark/Boxer in the White House. I think they would do a fine job steering our country back on a course of international 'respectability and a strong economic backbone - a strong economic middle-class.

Oh man, how the Republicans would howl... :)

[MoonRiver]

60. Leftest, you be sooooo smart!

And welcome to DU! Those voting and other privileges will come along soon enough! Keep posting! :hi:

[Leftest]

61. Thank You

Thank You MyPetRock.. Its nice to see so many smart and liberal minded people here.. Looks like a lot of good info too.. :)

[serryjw]

62. I voted Clark/Boxer BUT would be just as happy with

Feingold/Boxer...Dean can't/won't run in 2008 so your votes don't count. he promised the party leadership he wouldn't if they voted him in as DNC chair. He belongs there and will do the most good for the party NOT running for Prez

[grasswire]

64. how about Clark Menendez?

I really like Menendez. Or maybe Clark Durbin?

[StudentOfDarrow]

66. Clark/Boxer

But I would vote for any of these in a heartbeat. BTW, why no Dean at the top of the ticket? It's just as likely as him running for VP.

[snowbear]

67. As far as Dean.....

I thought I heard Chris Matthews <--(ack) say the other day that Dean promised not to run in 2008 if he took over McAuliffe's position?

Now as far as that other guy goes... yeah, baby! :bounce:

[Northern Perspective]

68. Gore/Boxer

...and Britain had no trouble electing Thatcher. If they can find an idealogue, the right will elect her. And if the Dems find a fighter, the left will elect her.

Elizabeth Dole against Hillary Clinton? You'd get past the "chick factor" pretty fast.