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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:06 AM
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Orrin Hatch on CSpan lying through is teeth
The fucker
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:07 AM
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1. Sen Hatch is so far out of reality he actually believes the stuff he says.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:07 AM
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2. He's one of the top 10 sleaziest Republicans.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:13 AM
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3. Republican sleaze-balls...
Tom Delay (TX)
Tom Feeney (FL)
Dennis Hasturt (??)
Orrin Hatch (UT)

...who else

Bill Frist (TN)

Hatch is right up there, please help with this list....
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:30 AM
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12. Don't forget Santorum...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:34 AM
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15. Yep, probably need two lists, sleaze-ball senators and...
...sleaze-ball representatives
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:13 AM
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4. they are so obviously spewing bull shit, that i'll never understand
the suckers of such...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 12:57 PM
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19. They do it on purpose
They do it so their little followers will believe them. Then all the talk show hosts like Rush and gang will repeat it and the MSM. They're making reality.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:13 AM
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21. Yes, FreedomAngel, & it's a bull shit reality for sheeple suckers. n/t
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:13 AM
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5. I was just going to post the same sentiment but not so politely.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:17 AM by CottonBear
Lies, lies, lies.

1. Senate History of the fillibuster: Lies
2. The # of Clintons judicial nominees approved: Lies
3. The Democrats role in previous fillibusters: Lies
4. "Consent means to vote up and down.": LIE

He just lied: "There has never been a (Judicial) Fillibuster in the history of the Senate."
He just lied: "Judges should interpret the law not make the law."

edit: First caller asking if Repubs in minority would they have fillibustered?
Hatch said they "always voted up and down and didn't permit fillibusters."
"We put through as many judges during Reagan as during the 2 years of party control for Clinton."
"The Dems have already started fillibustering."
(Right. The candidates never got that far in the process you asshole.)
Now comparing Clinton to Bush I.

Hatch is a lying sack of shit. No wait a minute. That demeans shit.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 12:55 PM
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18. Is It Me, Or Are They Desperate? (nt)
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:13 AM
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6. Hatch's bullshit at work
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=10315
>>
Senator Hatch provocatively entitled the March 13 hearing “Setting the Record Straight.” In fact, however, the record was no different after the March 2003 hearing than it was after the hearing in July 2002. Justice Owen’s record demonstrates that she is a right-wing judicial activist who would allow her ideology to trump her responsibilities as a judge to follow the law, directly contrary to President Bush’s asserted goal of appointing judges who would interpret the law, not make it.

Owen’s supporters had previously tried to distance her from Gonzales’ criticism in a reproductive rights case by claiming that his charge that she was advocating an “unconscionable act of judicial activism” referred to the dissents of other justices, but not to hers. At Owen’s first confirmation hearing, Hatch joined this revisionist bandwagon, claiming that Gonzales was not referring to Owen’s dissent “rather to the dissent of another colleague in the same case.”

At her March 13 hearing, however, Justice Owen contradicted Hatch with a more sweeping claim that not only was Gonzales’ “judicial activism” comment not a reference to her dissent but also that Gonzales had not been referring to “any” of the dissents when he issued that charge. The clear language of Gonzales’ opinion simply does not support this remarkable assertion. Owen’s claim stands in sharp contrast to what Alberto Gonzales himself has said –- and not said -- about this matter. Indeed, remarks by Gonzales in his current capacity as White House counsel as well as his spokesperson have acknowledged that Owen was a target of his criticism when they served together on the Texas Supreme Court.<<

He's one of the main conspirators in this whole disaster
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:15 AM
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7. He's a bastard.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:17 AM by The Witch
Talking points? Should I try to call in?

He let his true colors show, though... he slipped from the talking points and made an innuendo about Democrats hating such-and-such a judge because she's an African-American conservative... stupid stupid slip, Senator.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:16 AM
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8. he sure thinks he knows it all
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:16 AM
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9. Try
Impart some truth. Watch him melt
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:21 AM
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10. Bullshit, Orrin
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:22 AM by MrScorpio
Trent Lott named it the "Nuclear Option"

Too bad it didn't poll well for them
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:41 AM
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16. Using terms like "nuclear option" in time of war is a really stupid
...message to send out to the general public and Lott is just the kind of half-wit who shoots off his mouth with no thought as to what he is saying and what effect his words may have. His racist comments have shown that and he still has "loose lips that sink ships".
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:22 AM
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11. Outrageous LIES:
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:25 AM by CottonBear
"The Democrats misperceive that they can fillibuster a (Senate) judicial vote."

Now a Texas caller is (politely) giving him hell about the Repubs judicial nominee Senate voting record.

OH CRAP: Talking Point: "Constitutional option not nuclear option"
Now he's using the term "Democrat party." What a slur. What an ass he is.

edit: Now he said he stopped the Repubs from fillibustering nominees during Clinton Administration.

Now a guy called in saying he's a Democrat who voted for * twice. No way he's a Democrat.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:31 AM
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13. E-mail to CSPAN (still trying to get through, fuck work)
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:32 AM by The Witch
Is this about a rule change-- is filibustering wrong-- or is it about the fact that these judges are conservative?

If it is a rule change -- then 1) why muddy your message by talking about the fact that the Democrats oppose someone because she is an African American conservative, and 2) What, in principle, is the difference between filibustering for judicial nominations and filibustering for legislation? What makes it wrong in one instance and right in another?

(name)
Washington, DC

ETA: Goddamn it, he's done
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:33 AM
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14. Did you see Reid and Schumer on C-Span last night?
They spoke passionately about the history and rules of the senate and the history of the fillibuster especially as related to judicial nominees.

They were brilliant I watched this around midnight EST.

Too bad most Amurkans didn't see it.

Now he's spewing crap about"doing our duty by voting up and down."
"I even love our Democratic Senators even though...they are doing something dangerous...and unconstitutional."

OMG. "They (Democrats) are going to BLOW UP THE SENATE IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR WAY." What the fuck does he think he's saying here.
They must be desperate to have sent him over to C-Span this morning.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 01:01 PM
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20. I think
he has it backwards. What a bastard.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 12:51 PM
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17. I almost puked when he talked about Priscilla Owens...
breaking through the "glass ceiling".

WTF?!? Since when are they the party most concerned with the empowerment of women?



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