I didn't spend 24 years in uniform supporting and defending the bible

[BOSSHOG]

I've discovered that that one short sentence pisses the living shit out of christian conservatives, especially those who never served, which is most of them. If you are a veteran please try it out sometime. I also carry a handful of Army recruiting business cards. The testicles of strapping young conservative lads shrivel up in their body when an old fart veteran offers to drive them to the recruiters office. Honor, courage, commitment. They couldn't cut it.

To twist the knife just a tad, I tell them I consider religious zealots domestic enemies of the constitution and my oath of enlistment is still in effect. Pisses the fuckers off bad.

[Sparkly]

1. Bosshog...

:yourock:

[Richardo]

2. You are the man, Chief

:yourock:

[demnan]

3. I think old fart veterans rock!

:yourock:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

4. You're my hero!

:toast:

I bet you drive the wingnuts insane. They really HATE liberal veterans.

[Dinger]

6. Yeah, Ask General Clark- He Know All About That (nt)

[Skittles]

61. isn't he something, Kathy?

imagine those pissant conservatives crossing paths with BOSSHOG. HA HA HA! :D

[Dinger]

5. Oh Boss Hog, That Is So . . . . . . Coool!

Hit 'em hard, real hard. Dman, wish I was an "old fart veteran", so I could do that! Thank you . . I will nominate this one, for sure!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

7. You tell 'em Chief!

I ought to get me some of those enlistment forms. I did 4 years in the Marine Corps and would be glad to have someone else share that glorious experience of boot camp. Then there's the small matter of the Iraq situation........

[BOSSHOG]

10. Semper Fi Marine

Stop into a recruiting office and ask for some business cards; that you would like to help them out. I went to basic in San Diego in 72. We were told what would happen if we escaped over certain fences; killed on the interstate, drown in the bay OR, if we went over that fence (Marine Bootcamp) the Navy would come get us in a couple of months. The best boss I had in the Navy was a Marine Lieutenant Colonel. Worked my ass off but nobody fucked with me. I'd love to see Bubba junior in Marine bootcamp and the upon graduation receive orders to Fallujah. Momma would be so proud.

[calimary]

91. BOSSHOG - you are The Man! Our Hero!

Actually, what I like to do is post a flyer on the windshield of any parked car I see (and can reasonably get to) that has a bush/cheney or "w04" bumper sticker on it:

Dear friend and fellow American:

I know how much you support President Bush and the war effort in Iraq. But I noticed that you haven’t signed up to fight yet. It might be because you are too busy, or maybe you just didn’t know how easy it is to join! I know you probably feel guilty about sending other young men and women off to die in your place, so I am sure you’ll take this opportunity to do the right thing:

Sign up for a tour or two in Iraq today!

You will enable some poor soldier who’s stuck there, exhausted, scared, isolated, frustrated, thirsty, poorly supplied, insufficiently armored, under constant threat, lied to about why he’s there and when he’s going to be released, and yearning to come home – to do just that: come home!

What could possibly be more patriotic?

What better way could there be to prove your devotion to President Bush?

“…And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God bless the U.S.A.”

Below are the links you can use to sign up to join any branch of the armed forces!

http://www.airforce.com/contact/locator_fr.htm
http://www.navy.com
http://www.marines.com/request/contact_recruiter_request.asp
http://www.goarmy.com/contact/find_a_recruiter.jsp
http://www.gocoastguard.com/offices/recindex.htm
http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/DD0004.pdf

Line Up!
Sign up!
Today!


I got 95 percent of this off one I found on the internet. Sorry to say I do not remember where, to give proper credit. I only added the second large paragraph and the two lines that follow. I had 200 printed up on nice bright yellow paper. I got one car in the neighborhood to move off the street, and another to park around the block - before disappearing completely. And I'm not done yet! A couple of people I met at the recent California Dem convention saw it and took copies with them.

I continue this in YOUR honor, BOSSHOG! :evilgrin:

[hippywife]

115. How do you know

that you aren't placing these on the windshield of a spouse or parent that DOES have someone in Iraq or Afghanistan? You don't, so I find this to be as much in bad taste as the note goodboy got on his for his bumperstickers.

[Jade Fox]

8. Thank god for old fart veterans!!

How do you get those army recruiting business cards? I'd like to give
them to a few folks as well.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Stop by any recruiting office, tell them you'd like to help out

I'm sure they would be happy to give you business cards and any other propaganda available. I'm sure that the conservatives in your area who wave flags and such probably just don't know where the recruiting offices are. Help em out. Its the patriotic thing to do.

[Vickers]

9. Another liberal veteran here, BOSSHOG

I'm like you, I get RIGHT IN THEIR FUCKING FACE, and I will call them what they are, cowardly anti-American fucksticks, and until they get to the recruiter's office and hold up their right hand, that is EXACTLY what they are.

You support the troops? Then grab a rifle, you pussy.

They will not get, nor do they deserve any respect, with their pathetic faded "Support Our Troops!" bullshit on their shiny SUV.

[BOSSHOG]

12. Go get em Vickers

At least six times in the past 26 months, I have been called a coward by non serving conservatives. Last month a young lad told me I should get my cowardly ass down to the recruiting station to protect this country I obviously hate. My retiree id card, my CPO coin and the story of my tour in Saudi Arabia in 96 almost getting killed in a terrorist attack ended the conversation. The best way to support the troops is to become one right? RIGHT IN THEIR FUCKING FACES...

[knitter4democracy]

22. OMG--where do you live?

I can't imagine anyone being that disrespectful to anyone, let alone someone older and more experienced in life.

Bless you for defending our country and our ideals. Thank you for the sacrifices you made and still make everyday--and your family, too. Thank you for not being silent now.

[BOSSHOG]

24. South Mississippi

They speak their ignorance often. They think they are motivated by patriotism, but they don't know what patriotism is. They don't know what sacrifice is. As long as they talk, I'll talk back. Thanks for your kind words.

[Vickers]

25. "As long as they talk, I'll talk back."

AMEN!

I refuse to back down to the idiots I encounter. I just can't do it. This is too important to be quiet about.

[Steel City Slim]

117. Stand Tall

Way to go Vickers.

[knitter4democracy]

106. Wow--you'd think they'd be more respectful.

I mean, up here in Michigan, there are so many vets that you can't assume anyone hasn't served. I don't feel okay with handing out recruiting stuff because, chances are, I'd be dealing with a vet.

I'm so glad you're talking back--they're more likely to listen to you. Thank you!!!

Psst, want a hat? I have some lovely wool yarn I'm going to make a helmet hat (fits under the helmet for warmth and sweat, etc.) out of for a soldier, and I have enough for two, I think.

[mpyle27]

114. I'm in tears.

Very inspirational. I'm still avoiding all republican ties - which is mostly family. I am getting ready to move to the east coast which sets the conditions for one final "yell fest" before I go. Thanks.

[Totally Committed]

13. "Pisses the fuckers off bad."....

"I've discovered that that one short sentence pisses the living shit out of christian conservatives, especially those who never served, which is most of them." -- BOSSHOG

You go, man!

TC

[malmapus]

14. Shows where "Duty, Honor, Country" stand with em doesn't it

Some of these have the gall to call us un-American, un-patriotic or worse.

Nice to be puttin em in their place!

[BOSSHOG]

16. Thanks for your service Teammate

When you are chatting with a veteran there is one absolute truth - that person strapped it on and did his/her time. I think one of the great results of our service is that millions don't have to and that is fine with me. Isn't it strange that sacrifice is not appreciated by so many who never sacrificed.

[malmapus]

23. Its the truth buddy

Its funny and sad in a way.

I did my time proudly, carried the burdens it left me with and went on my way trying to make it through this crazy life. Did my best to put the vet side of me to rest so to speak.

But over the past couple of years since all these chicken hawks took control of our country and have their following. I've found myself time and time again forced to call someone out on when they did their time. Most of the time getting that blank look when they realize that they are dealing with someone who did walk the walk.

Really hate the state of things today where we have to play the "vet card" in order to justify ourselves and our thoughts. That's not what the country I served is about, of course the country I served seems to of disappeared.

[BOSSHOG]

26. God Bless You Soldier

I never ever thought I'd lay my retiree id card on the bar to make a point but it has come to that. And as you well know, the Vet Card trumps the dumbass card every time. The chickenhawk card has absolutely no value and lets keep it that way. This swabbie supports you for your efforts to make me a free American.

[Steel City Slim]

118. They Have No Concept....

....of what Duty and Honor are.

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Hey, BH, I saw this nice bumpersticker. . .

"If You Support The War, Why Aren't You There Now?"

Link:
http://www.cafepress.com/impeachw.14733696


www.impeachdubya.com


:yourock:

[holboz]

84. I LOVE IT!

I want to get hundreds of these bumper stickers and put them all over town!!

BTW - Way to go, Bosshog! I'm glad to see you standing up to these people. I come from a family steeped in military service (going all the way back to General Nathaniel Greene in the Revolutionary War), so I have no patience for these ignorant spoiled neocons with their made in China "support our troops" magnets on their gas guzzling SUVs who don't have the cajonas to go sign up themselves.

[Lowell]

17. Draft Young Republicans

This is a bumper sticker this old vet has on his truck. It gets them pretty riled too.

Why are these people always surprised to find out that there really are some liberal combat vets out there? It seems all the chickenhawks are republicans. They love to rattle sabres, but they won't run to the sound of gunfire. Asshats.

[BOSSHOG]

29. Welcome Lowell and Thanks for your Service

A few night patrols in Fallujah would adjust the attitude of the young lads. Swearing to support and defend the constitution against all enemies is an extremely liberal thing to do. I love my country and I don't want anyone fucking with the constitution as I am convinced christian conservatives want to do. Therefore I will continue to say it loudly, I'm a proud liberal veteran. Come get me. I look forward to your posts.

[malmapus]

36. Welcome to the DU Lowell

Glad to see another vet

/salute

[Steel City Slim]

119. Did You Ever Notice....

....there's no organization called "Combat Veterans In Favor Of War"? The only people who love war are those who have never fought one. Which is why the chickenhawks in the Bush administration are so gung ho.

Welcome to DU.

[BOSSHOG]

121. You are right Steel City Slim

Not only are they gung ho, they shit can people who know how to carry out the Mission they want carried out. (General Shinseki) and General Powell is getting his digs in from afar now about Bolton. All the bubba badasses I run into never served a day, but they are badass motherfuckers.

[jwirr]

18. I think I love you!!!

[CottonBear]

19. Thank you for your service to our country

and for defending our constitution. We are so proud of veterans like you!
Keep on kicking chickenhawk butt! :kick:

:kick: :yourock: :pals: :applause: :) :hi:

[BOSSHOG]

31. Happy Cinco de Cinco de Cinco Cottonbear

Us old vets just did our job and now we are free to kick back drink beer and tend to our colorful pantied dancing girls in the south lawn. I got a selfish streak and if someone wants to skew the constitution they are gonna have to rassle with a Hog. The weather here continues to be incredible. Sunny and cool, like me most of the time. Take care!

[CottonBear]

47. Buenos Cinco de Mayo mi amigo!

Enjoy the beautiful spring weather! It's wonderful here too. Mostly sunny, warm days and cool nights.
:)
Hasta Luego!

CB

[FrenchieCat]

20. There you go!

The only bumper sticker on my new car reads....."Is your Yellow Ribbon going to buy them more body armor?"....

In parking lots, I've seen quite a few people reading it.

I think of it as a nice counter to those damn yellow ribbons pasted on everybody's car....as though the ribbons are actually doing something that helps or supports soldiers.

[grace0418]

67. Did you buy that bumper sticker from my CafePress page?!

If so, thank you very much! I've been selling a lot of that one and I've been curious to see people's reaction when it's on someone's car (my husband cannot bear the thought of putting any bumper stickers on our car, he's weird that way). For those interested, I have a few more designs along those lines including:

If you voted for Bush, a yellow ribbon won't make up for it.

A yellow ribbon won't feed a veteran's family.

A yellow ribbon only supports more war.

I support the troops, I don't support the war.

The link is in my signature line.

[liberalitch]

21. You're so cool!

I tell the people who ask why I haven't taken my kerry sticker off yet "When the rapture happens I don't want the baby jesus the think that I voted for the antichrist."

Boy, that makes the veins in their necks stand out!

[GardeningGal]

27. OMG that is soooo funny

Best come back I've heard in a long time!

:rofl:

[malmapus]

30. lol thats a good one

heh on the phone with a customer and had to REALLY hold back from laughing out loud at them..I think I taste blood from biting my lip heheheh

[Rowdyboy]

28. I'd love to see you in action.....

The looks on the faces of those assholes must be priceless! :toast:

[BOSSHOG]

33. HI Rowdy

Actually I'm a meek and mild friendly kinda guy. I don't have to pretend to be a badass but some of the young trained neanderthals just can't help but make themselves targets, and I got a sharpshooting ribbon with an M-16 and and expert ribbon with a .45 and I can eviscerate with my oratory if the situation calls for it. They just make it too damned easy, but I'd like for them to go back to their instructors (preachers, politicians) and ask a few questions before they wade onto the target range. As I told another poster if you wanna fuck with my country and my constitution be prepared to rassle a Hog, a proud liberal veteran Hog. Is this weather awesome or what?

[Rowdyboy]

37. Its incredible!

Honeysuckle, roses, amaryllis, irises and Queen Anne's lace are all in full bloom and the air in my back yard smells like perfume. I'm about to go back outside and take some deep breaths!

[GOPBasher]

32. Hahahahahahaha

I like that! :thumbsup: :yourock: :applause:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. You rock, Bosshog!

[donsu]

35. bosshog fills his shoes

nt

[Amich]

38. I love telling people where they can sign up

I had a friend tell me one time that I had to talk quieter about my views because someone might hear me, we were in a crouded place and even louder I said I earned the right to say what I please. I served my country been in numberous foreign countries and to top it all off I AM AN AMERICAN AND AM FREE TO SAY WHAT I WANT. he sat back and said ok. never brought it up again. I over reacted a bit, but it pushed the wrong button for me.:)

[BOSSHOG]

39. Thanks Amich for your Service

I'll be quiet and silenced when they pry the DD-214 out of my cold dead hands and slip my CPO coin in my coffin. You and I love this country way to damned much to shut up about it. I'll be damned if I'm gonna concern myself about offending a chickenhawk; a chickenhawk who is FREE to be a cowardly ignorant bastard thanks to Vets like you my friend.

Actually I'm gonna be cremated, but my CPO coin(s) will live on.

[Amich]

40. I have had people not believe that I have been in the service

they said I didn't seem the "type" what ever that means..I get out my disability card and show them..:)

[malmapus]

43. Been told that myself too

That I don't seem the "type", which is funny cause apparently I do look like the "type" to fellow vets. Had a bunch of American Legion folks pick me out of a crowd, I chalked it up to my "7 mile stare."

[Amich]

94. a vet came up to me at the employment office and says i know

vet. Never met the man before, so it must be the stare...

[ebayfool]

99. Hey, I think I know that stare! Is it anything like the stare my ex used

to get when he was tuning me out? It's also the same stare I saw him use when on parade grounds or interacting w/a superior officer when we went on base - bleh, what's that say @ me ... tuning me out or silently telling me where to get off! LOL! (he was a master diver, lifer)




on edit: I LOVE this thread, Boss & the responses - reminds me of the good points @ the ex!

[Nordmadr]

102. Yeah, I get that too. I served a year in the Army National Guard

(Infantry) before going active duty Navy (Gunners Mate Guns) for 4 years (actually went to 2 boot camps, that sucked!) I did a 6 month deployment to the Persian Gulf and also was a participant in some troop evacuation from Somalia. Didn't see combat, and I am happy for that. I am always happy to be able to think that I served 5 years in the military and know that I did not directly cause anyones death. There was good and bad, and I saw lots of stuff I will never forget.

I'm liberal and a bit hippy, and don't generally come off as the type to have served in the military. I sure love being able to voice my opinion, and then being able to play my vet card against ignorant fucks that want to doubt me! I prefer peace and love, but I still know how to smack down a freeper chickenhawk!

This was my home...



Olaf

[Amich]

103. that is a nice ship.. I visited one like that in florida, i think

too much traveling:) I was air force
didn't actually see combat, but I seen the after math of Dahran in saudi arabia in what 1996. two days after the bombing..I was heading home going through..luckily my best friend was not hurt. his wall unit saved him..caught all the glass from his window..

[Steel City Slim]

120. That's Right Amich

Stand tall, speak out.

[Toots]

41. I used to have the attitude that I wouldn't give up my years in the

military for anything on earth but I also wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy..I am changing my mind about a lot of things...

[malmapus]

42. I felt the same way

I never could give up my time in because it did make me who I am today, but at the same time there are things I expereienced that I wouldn't on my worst enemy.

It was only a few years ago that I began to change my thinking on that last part, wish our "War President" saw what I did, then maybe he would value the lives of our troops a little more and not send them to harms way unless this country was facing a real threat.

[Nothing Without Hope]

44. What do you think of the religious bias/prosyletizing at the Air Force

Academy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1762771#1763754
Thread title: WaPo: Air Force Academy religious bias probe – FUNDIE INFILTRATION?

I can't seem to interest many people in what I see as a situation that should arouse our active interest and concern. We do NOT want a new generation of military officers that have been fed KoolAid by the fudies when they were cadets.

[BOSSHOG]

45. A blatant display of

constitutional ignorance and a load of arrogance that Jesus will spank them for when the time comes. The worst "leaders" I served under in the Navy were those who wore their religion on their sleeves. They could praise the Lord but they couldn't lead Sailors and they couldn't meet mission in a safe and sound environment because they were too busy checking others "wrongs" at the quarterdeck.

According to the Academy, 90% of the cadets call themselves Christian. I think it is therefore logical to state that "christians" were heavily involved in the sexual assaults and harrasment cases at the academy in recent years. And james dobson's proximity bodes ill for the service whose number one function is to support and defend the constitution which gives haters like dobson the freedom to spread their viruses. Yes, I have a very strong opinion on the matter, and like you I will voice my liberal veteran views loud and clear. Americans must realize their future requires subordinating religious doctrine to the Constitution. It really is quite simple.

[funkybutt]

46. You're my hero Boss!

I absolutely love it!

[BOSSHOG]

48. Hi funkybutt

Sorry I missed you at Bubba Gump. We had a wonderful time in boring old New Orleans. My wife told me to tell the guy with the microphone to announce - "Funky butt, bosshog will meet you at the beerstand." I think a meetup in the big easy is just the ticket for Louisiana and Mississippi DUers. I always get a little twinge of pride in my heart when such things like bubba gump occur because a bunch of evil liberals wore the uniform for awhile. Beer at 0900, how evil, we could have been in church hating our neighbors. Love ya Hun!

[StaggerLee]

49. Hey Bosshog

Great post!

I did six in the canoe club.

Is there anything left in Meridian MS? I did my A school there in 1985.

sL-

[BOSSHOG]

52. Hello Shipmate

Airedale "A" Schools remain, however the state is awaiting the BRAC announcements of next week. I was an admin puke but I did one tour with a VR Squadron. Don't chuckle; we won a battle "E." Yeah, I know, how can a VR squadron win a battle E? I get out to the Air Station south of New Orleans on occasion, just can't get it out of my system. Great to hear from you.

[StaggerLee]

57. I was a storekeeper

Definitely makes me a supply puke.

Did three and eight months on a cruiser out of Pearl and the remainder at SIMA San Francisco at Alameda NAS.

I enjoy reading your posts. :toast:


sL-

[BOSSHOG]

59. I did "time" at SIMA Philly

a couple hundred years ago. One of my best old buddys is a wily old Supply Officer who lives in Alabama. Off base you'd never know he was an Officer. Lets keep the proud liberal veterans voice loud and clear. Thanks again for your service box kicker.

[Steel City Slim]

123. When I Was In.....

....I went to AO "A" School at NAS Jax.

[funkybutt]

56. HAHA! That would have been great!

"Funkybutt, BOSSHOG will meet you at the beerstand"

I was looking for your Navy T-shirt but there were just too many people to sift through. I had considered what I would say if I found you and basically settled for "Is that you BOSSHOG?" I figured if the person responded to that name, it'd have to be you!

Nothing like 3 miles followed by a strong beer buzz at 9 am in the French Quarter. What a day!

[Stinky The Clown]

50. I salute you, BOSS ... and stand next to you.

This old whitehat from the sixties is right withya .... don't take shit from punks. Give shit TO punks.

[BOSSHOG]

54. Jerk the tears right out of my eyes Shipmate

What an incredible picture. Isn't it sad that the fake patriots amongst can never be moved by such a display? Thanks for your service and your love of our country shipmate.

I give so much shit to the punks they think they are living in a septic tank.

[Submariner]

95. I have been wondering why I have had to pull my vet card

to prove myself of late. Then, just when I'm getting all wound up shredding their right-wingnut bullshit theories backing that AWOL punk Bush, the chickenhawks stop arguing when they can't say they walked the walk. I can see I'm not alone.

What I wouldn't give to see these cockroach turds on Iraq convoy duty.

[BOSSHOG]

55. WOULD EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK AT POST #50 PLEASE

[Coexist]

66. wow - what a photo - what a thread

you guys rock!

[hatrack]

51. Bosshog, you ARE the MAN

And my sincere thanks for those 24 years. :hi:

[Robeson]

53. Thanks. Thats great...

...:thumbsup:

[corker]

58. excellent!!

[Skittles]

60. LOL - BOSSHOG

you are a true patriot and a very good writer to boot! :hi:

[BOSSHOG]

74. Hi Skittles

I truly believe "they" are getting tired of defending "him." But their pride will prevent them from coming out of the dark. You know, pride and religion and such. I promise you I will continue to be the bonafide asshole to them every opportunity I get. I would love a cogent debate but they choose not to chat in a polite manner because they know they'll lose. You keep kicking ass too. Our country is way too precious to turn it over to a bunch of morans who would destroy it in a year or two.

[driver8]

62. Navy vet here, too. Chief, you are the man!!

I love how you put these chicken hawk punks in their place.

I was a machinist mate(nuc). I spent three and a half years on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower.

My father is a retired CTRC.

[Voltaire]

68. I was a CTR1 myself

And I salute all you liberal vets around the country for putting the cons straight, one dumbass at a time. Keeps us busy right?

[BOSSHOG]

77. Hello Voltaire and thank you very much

Like father, like son. My Dad was in the Navy and his last duty station was RAF Edzell Scotland, a CT base, which has since closed, but what an incredible experience for a 14 year old. I guess its fair to say that Eagles fans could be exceedingly harsh on them. Yeah, its a full time job, but I sincerely believe there is a segment of "them" thats getting a little weary of defending "him." ONE DUMBASS AT A TIME! Thanks very much for your service Shipmate.

[Voltaire]

101. I was in Edzell twice for duty

1985 - 1987 and 1990 - 1992. Two of the best tours I ever spent in the Canoe Club.

[BOSSHOG]

112. Edzell 67-69

I went to 7th grade at the little red school house way out on the runway past the CT cage. A very satisfying two years. My parents loved it too. We lived in base housing. I know they had a new school built there but that little red school has had charm. I used to ride my bike to Edzell Castle. Now, thats something you don't find driving down the highway in Mississippi.

[BOSSHOG]

76. Thanks Shipmate

A Nuke huh? You are a hellofalot smarter than this old fart, but I don't have to work for a living, except the energy I use pissing off conservatives. I proudly salute you for your service and thank you for your kind post.

[AmBlue]

63. My Dad is an old fart veteran....

A heartfelt thank you to all the vets and soldiers here for your sacrifice, your commitment, and your willingness to speak truth to ignorance. It's SO critical these days....
:patriot:

[LeahD]

64. Love you passionate, old fart veterans!

And I'm so thankful that you keep talking back to those who question your liberal views!

[cindyw]

65. So perfect. That's what I say. If I find someone who supports the war, I

ask if they think it is a just war like WWII. If they say no, I can argue the point from that angle. If they say yes, I ask why they are not serving or why their children are not serving. I then say that it is their duty to sign up to fight in a war that is just. After all, men in the 40's considered it their duty. My grandmother's 5 brothers all signed up together. Most people cannot make an argument that this is a just war, but they cannot serve for any reason. It is very effective.

If they will serve or say that their child is, I don't argue with them about the war beyond saying that I admire their desire to serve their country and that I have right to decent.

[Stinky The Clown]

69. Yanno ... I volunteered for the Navy, but shortly after 9/11, I asked ....

..... both my sons (now 27 and 30) if they wanted their "old Navy guy" Dad to drive them to Canada and stay there till I was sure they were safe.

They both said "No". If this country needs us, we'll serve." That said .... fast forward past (the righteous, mostly) Afghanistan War to the start of The War in Iraq(tm) ......... neither would join for this illegal war ..... or they'd be answering to me.

I am very proud of my sons.

[WillyT]

70. Thank You Boss, Right On !!!

A caller on one of AAR's shows this morning, said her vet husband and friends consider all of this a betrayal. A betrayal to the WWII vets, the Korean vets, the Vietnam vets, all who served, fought, and died.

I missed Vietnam by one year. But my old man learned to fly in the Navy, flew B-25's as a Marine in the South Pacific during WWII, and was a forward radar guy in Korea.

He died in '75, but I knew him well enough to know that he too would have considered the current mess a betrayal. He too fought, and watched his buddies die, defending the U.S. Constitution.

NOT THE FUCKING BIBLE!!!

:grr::nuke::mad:

[hootinholler]

71. Yo Chief,

Um I don't remember an expiration on the oath of enlistment, so all of our oaths are in effect, right?

Hmmm, I hadn't considered that before, I'll have to do some chin stroking on what that really means.

Thanks for the reminder,
-Hoot

[BOSSHOG]

85. Well teammate, bottomline

if someone wants to mess with your constitution you are obligated to kick their ass. And you'll have lots of help hootinholler.

[hootinholler]

86. That's about what I came up with...

Even though I wasn't Um, shall we say lifer material, the Navy and I agreed to disagree, I got a lot of respect for those who could hack it.

Wishin I had an M14 about now.

-Hoot

(ET-3 SS at discharge)

[BOSSHOG]

88. And I thank you for your service Shipmate

A bitchin Sailor is a happy Sailor and I guess I was pretty happy because I bitched alot. And before I knew it, 24 years had gone by and I was piped over the side by my fellow Chiefs with a beautiful shadow box to boot. The M14 was a beautiful machine huh?? I had the opportunity to qualify on it at NSA New Orleans as part of the Auxiliary Security Force. Antiques can kill perpetrators too. A very good friend of mine refers to me as a "Retired Lifer." I think that's redundant but he buys a round every now and then so I don't cuss him out too bad. Best wishes to you my fellow American and thanks again for your service. I just finished a book "Pride runs Deep" about sub exploits during WWII. Its fiction but a very nice read.

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!

[hootinholler]

93. Next time I'm down Gulfport way I'll PM ya.

We can pinch some tails. Did a couple TAD at NAVOCEANO on the test center by Pearlington, too damned hot in August, but spring is awesome, enjoy it.

Yeah the M14 was near perfect. Had range, knock down power and dead nuts accuracy. My first exposure to composite stocks. The 16 is the weapon of the fire superiority doctrine that I like to call spray and pray. Had to qualify .45 to stand topside watches on das boot in port.

I was still in when The Hunt for Red October came out and I couldn't believe the Navy Press published it. Haven't read Pride, I'll have to look into it.

You get up Md way let me know I'll treat you to some AMVETS crab legs, even though you did ride targets ;)

-Hoot

[unhappycamper]

100. You young guys ain't lived until you've had an M1 thumb.

But you're right - the M14 was a pretty decent personal weapon. Rock on, Chief!

[Steel City Slim]

125. That's Right

Whether you were in or not. You don't have to be a vet to defend the constitution.

[killbotfactory]

72. hahahahahahhhah

awesome.

[PopSixSquish]

73. BOSSHOG - You Rock!

I'd love to see you in action sometime.

"I tell them I consider religious zealots domestic enemies of the constitution and my oath of enlistment is still in effect"

That line made me nearly spit water on my monitor.

:toast:

[FizzFuzz]

75. I'm a 48 year old woman and I don't have a vet card to pull---YOU RULE!!

no relations in the service either....

I so wish I COULD use that argument, I would loudly and obnoxiously any chance I had. It seems to be the one ticket the arrogant little pukes can't shoot down.

Keep on telling the truth Bosshog and all other vets here!!!!!!!!...(and non vets!) :D

[BOSSHOG]

78. Thank you FizzFuzz

No American citizens should have to serve in the military. I had a fantastic 24 years where the highs totally outnumbered the lows. Ask any vet and they'll tell they were just doing their job. I actually resent having to use the vet card, but it sure puts an end to any conversation that goes in the wrong direction. I'll continue telling the truth; I'm too old to lie and if you always tell the truth you never have to remember anything - Mark Twain. And one of my favorite sayings: the easiest way to piss off a conservative is to tell the truth. The theme continues, as a democrat of old (Adlai Stevenson, I think) said: "I will quit telling the truth about republicans when they quit lying about Democrats." Interesting - liberals-truth, conservatives-lies. Thanks for your two cents worth, it is priceless to me.

[FizzFuzz]

79. I love that quote

"I'll quit telling the truth about Republicans when they quit lying about Democrats"--boy would I love to wear that to work.....I hate having to keep my mouth closed out of professionalism. It feels like hypocrisy, sitting and smiling with forbearance at the fundies all over the place, and their conservative, repressive brave new world. Vomit. Projectile vomit. With a cherry on top.

Well, here's to you, and if we ever get down South someday, I'll give you a heads up!

[BOSSHOG]

83. Come on Down

We're just 50 miles from the French Quarter, a big old blot of blue in a very red area of the country. Isn't Rochester the Headquarters of Kodak? Gets cold up there huh? We had frost here once.

Be patient with your co-workers. Your time is coming, just wait. Warmest Mississippi regards heading your way teammate.

[Blue Topaz]

80. I was a Navy brat

and I know for DAMN sure my dad didn't serve to support and defend the bible.

Outstanding post Boss!

[RetroLounge]

81. Great Post BOSSHOG. and Thank you for your service.

My Great Uncle joined the Marines in 1938, was on the Bataan March, and spent the rest of WWII in a Japanese POW camp. He was a slave laborer outside of Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped and was burnt by the radiation. I know for damn sure he didn't go thru all that shit so some awol puke like bush and his ilk could trounce our constitution and try to replace it with some holy book.

:yourock:

:hi:

RL

edit: spelling

[BOSSHOG]

87. I love your Great Uncle Retrolounge

Were those guys great or what? My father in law lost his left arm during the D-Day Invasion. Talk about HEROES!!! I think we should all be free to worship as we choose but if the zealots want to dismantle the constitution they are gonna have to rassle with a Hog, a proud liberal veteran Hog who is very protective of that document. And I know that Hog will have lots of help. Is your Great Uncle still with us? He has my utmost respect and appreciation for what he did for all of us.

On a side note, we live about 25 miles from The Kiln, hometown of Bret Favre. I don't know what his politics are but in this neck of the woods, he is deity.

[RetroLounge]

89. He passed on in 1991

He was the first Vet to get a POW plate on his car in Missouri. He was very active in POW groups and other military groups, was highly decorated. He was buried at the Military Cemetary at Ft. Scott, KS. I never got to know him, just second hand from my Grandfather, and then one day his widow sent me a whole packet of news clippings and copies of records. I was like, WOW! His twin brother was in the navy in WWII also, and my Dad's brother was in the Korean War.

Lots of gratitude for all vets...

RL

[GreenPartyVoter]

82. *lol* You rock!

[Bandit]

90. I am a peace loving man but

I almost wish someone would approach me the way they have you. I doubt I would have the patience you have shown. Put those enlistment office cards on every windshield with a Bush*/Cheney bumper sticker just to make them squirm. I also think Young Republicans on College Campus is a place to leave some cards. America is damn lucky to have the likes of you and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I will still follow my oath to protect America from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC

[tyedyeto]

92. The Constitution is the operative word these days....

whatever we say and do, bring it into every conversation.

Check out this thread about using constitutional rights more in our daily conversations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3601184

[kineneb]

96. My great-uncle would be proud

He died last summer, but used to call me up and "fuminate" about BushCo and their follies. He was especially angry about the aircraft carrier pictures. Said that *&^*&^ should never be wearing wings. He felt that BushCo were distroying the Constitution he swore and fought to uphold.

Perhaps I should mention he was a Pearl Harbor survivor...

[Benno]

97. Thanks Bosshog

Reading your posts always makes me smile and laugh. Thanks for serving our country and defending the Constitution. Both my grandpas served in WWII, one in Europe the other in Africa and I have always been very proud of that. Keep up the good work!

[NuttyFluffers]

98. did i ever tell you you are my hero?

you are the wind beneath my wigs.
:patriot:
edit: and my wings, too. O8)

[Misunderestimator]

104. Woohoooo!

:yourock:

Keep right on pissing them off! :toast:

[Zenlitened]

105. Sweeeet!

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[Love Bug]

107. This ex-Wave salutes you!

(yeah, I know -- "Don't salute me -- I work for a living" ;))

Radioman, CINCLANTFLT, '74 -'77

You rule, Chief Boss!

And everyone knows the bottoms would rust out of the fleet if it weren't for Chiefs!

[BOSSHOG]

108. Thank You Shipmate, My Wife was a Radioman

72-74, Naval Weapons Center, China Lake. That's where we met. She's an evil liberal like me, just not as noisy about it. She went to Bootcamp at Bainbridge, wore the old light blue and white pin stripe uniform. Pretty Cool. There were about half a dozen Waves onboard, five third classes and one crusty old Aviation Master Chief. Great tour of duty. And thank you for your service.

[Love Bug]

109. I went to bootcamp in Orlando

I, too, wore the old light blue and white pin stripe "summer blues" uniform as well as the navy blue wool winter uniform. This was just before they adopted those ugly black suit uniforms. I'm glad they brought bells back for the guys - those black suits looked stupid. Ugh.

Thank you right back for your service! People are surprised to find out this grandma is a veteran. I've had to play the "vet card" a few times to shut up some asshole who dared to question my patriotism. I still have my "Veteran for Kerry" bumpersticker on my car and one of my prized possessions is my "Veteran for Wellstone" button. I'm in Minnesota and no one fought harder for vets than Wellstone, even though we wasn't one himself.

[Mountainman]

110. Every weekend we get a bunch of paint ball warriors here where I live

They wear fatigues and paint their faces and go play war. I'd love hand out some recruiting forms and offer to take them all to the recruiting station so they can play real war with real bullets.

[Merope215]

111. That's great!

Made me laugh out loud. And thank you for your service, Bosshog. :yourock:

[mpyle27]

113. Damn, I only did 6 years.

Nicely put!

[BOSSHOG]

122. Welcome MPyle27 and thank you

And please don't say "only" six years. You served your country proudly and professionally, period. And correct thinking Americans know how important your six years were to them.

[Steel City Slim]

116. Right On Chief

I started asking people why they didn't go fight during the first Gulf War. All I ever get is stammers and stutters and lame excuses. I point out that it's always easier to have someone else do the dirty work than for them to do it themselves. That it's easy to support a war when they know they won't be the ones that get bloody. That usually shuts them up.

I especially like your "enemies of the constitution" line. I think I'm going to borrow that from you and start to use it.

[BOSSHOG]

124. Hello Shipmate

I'm getting awful damn personal about the Constitution. I see too many "enemies" of it on our shores. There are those who think it can be twisted and turned and abused to satisfy their "beliefs" and their hate of others. Those in uniform didn't sacrifice yesterday and aren't sacrificing today so zealots can ruin our country. I sincerely believe they are domestic enemies of the constution and I swore to protect that wonderful document

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

Thanks for your kind Post and thanks for going to NAM so I didn't have to.

[PaganPreacher]

126. No "squid jokes" here, Chief....

This Army vet says "thank you" for this thread, the great sentence (which I will poach, if you don't mind), and for reminding me that we find other proud vets wherever we go.



The Pagan Preacher
Still supporting, protecting and defending the Constitution against all enemies.

[BOSSHOG]

127. Roger that Teammate

and thank you for your service. I believe us guys who used to serve would make an imposing force to be reckoned with. I get borderline insane when someone messes with our Constitution. Please, use it loudly and often. You earned it. A very incredible photo you have displayed. Chickenhawks should be forced to hang it where they have to see it every day.

AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

[PaganPreacher]

129. For all DU Vets: BRAVO ZULU

Chief, I'll stand the line with you. I took my oath seriously, and still do.

I am trying to live the rest of my life in peace, but some things are worth fighting for. I have traded my sword for a pen, but I still keep that sword sharpened to protect and defend.

I love that Joe Kline painting. I spent 12 years riding in Hueys, and the sound of one still makes my heart speed up. Kinda sad that they are mostly retired. Our local VFW has an old H model on static display, and my son calls it "Dad's helicopter."

I met some great Navy men and women in Japan- I was TDY at Camp Zama in 1988, and we flew over to Yokosuka several times.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.

[Joey Liberal]

128. I'm a Liberal Veteran too

Fuck the republicans.