Denied treatment because they are too old

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Denied: Age specific treatment


A national health advisory body has proposed denying patients certain treatment on the grounds of their age, it confirmed today.
The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice), which provides guidance on public health issues, set out the controversial ideas in a new consultation paper.

Members of the institute's Citizen's Council said that in cases in which age could affect the benefits or risks of treatment, medical staff would be justified in discriminating.


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Charities have raised concern that the views, which will be taken into account by Nice when it makes recommendations about policy or drugs, could lead to the elderly being refused some services.



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[losdiablosgato]

1. To me this sounds liek a very slippery slope to go down

[atreides1]

3. There's no slope here

This is a fall off of a cliff!!!!

[losdiablosgato]

6. Agreed

[atreides1]

2. Where Have we Seen This Before

No treatment for selected members of society, based on age. What's next mental disabilities, perhaps sexual orientation. The more people say this isn't Nazi Germany, the more we start to look like it.

So now we know that someone in the Mengele family is working at the NIH!!!!

[losdiablosgato]

5. The only reason I am against single payer health care system

Are horror stories like this. A coworker of my wife married a brit she met online. One of the things he did when he flew over here to meet her in Tx was he ahd dental work done. He had a bad tooth and a cavity that he was told he would not be seen for 4 months. H eflew to the us paid 1K and was seen with in days.

[tkmorris]

10. I don't know the specifics of that story

But I know for certain that he could easily have been seen in less than a week in the UK if he was willing to pay 1K, as you said he did here.

How about the innumerable horror stories of people who are simply allowed to die here in the US because they cannot afford the treatment they need? Sometimes even those fortunate enough to have insurance are discovering they still can't afford their care. I'll take a single payer system any day of the week over what we have.

[losdiablosgato]

11. Scheduling had something to do with it I think

But he has told myself and others that the UK health system sucks. And to each his own.

[Mairead]

12. You're confusing intention with essence.

The NHS is being starved by Torylabour. Thatcher started it and Blair continues it. The goal is privatisation of everything, just as it is in the US. That is the only reason there was a 4-month wait.

We need to remember that the results produced by different human systems are a product of different human decisions, not of uncanny natural forces.

[losdiablosgato]

13. I am sadly not famliar with the whys ofwhy the system is broken

But from what I have read and the limited people I have talked to is that the system in the UK is broken. I am leary of a single payer because I do not want access to health care limited.

[Mairead]

15. You should familiarise yourself, then, shouldn't you?

Making judgements out of ignorance is certainly popular, but how can it possibly be a good idea?

The NHS is being starved for resources in an attempt to make Britons disenchanted so that they'll let Torylabour kill it off. During its first four decades, when it was funded correctly (a matter of only a few percent more, by the way) it was The Model for the rest of the world.

You don't want healthcare limited -- but it's limited today. There are groups who pay full freight and still don't get good care (Black people and disabled people, to name two groups). And, of course, those who cannot pay full freight generally get minimal or no care.

Please, don't remain ignorant of the facts--inform yourself. Ignorance is not something to be proud of.

[losdiablosgato]

14. In an ideal universe a signle payer would be the way to go,

But I am worried that th level of care would suffer greatly and that you get things like this tellignpeople no medicine for you you are too old.

[Totally Committed]

4. It's called "The Culture of Life"...

"Denied: Age specific treatment

A national health advisory body has proposed denying patients certain treatment on the grounds of their age, it confirmed today."

Ratbastards.

TC

[LeahD]

7. This is in the UK, correct? n/t

[losdiablosgato]

8. Yes it is.

[genius]

9. Hospitals are admittedly killing off old people with substandard treatment

Western Medical Association in Santa Ana readily admits to using a standard of care that kills off older patients.