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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:16 AM
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Desperate Times, Desperate Measures
Edited on Fri May-20-05 01:23 AM by demwing
I posted this idea several months ago, and the thread died tragically. One person responded, and pissed all over the idea.

But who cares what happened then...

In the last two or three days I've seen many similar calls for a people's opposition government, and this just confirms my belief that a populist uprising is perhaps our only remaining resort. If we lose the filibuster, I FEAR for our country.

Here's the old thread (which seems a bit prophetic now). No one listened then.

To reflect the deepening dangers we face just three short months after this thread first opened, I've edited and updated the text. It's a smoother read.

Will anyone listen now?

FIRST POSTED IN FEB 2005:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1583634&mesg_id=1583634

"A Radical Election Idea" by demwing

Lately, I realized that we've been watching events--certain to be of future historic significance--unfold before our eyes. In turn, I'm wondering how the people of that frightening future will view our era.

Will they look back with pride and see the foundation of their brave new neoconservative, theo-corporate sponsored world? In other words, will the future be populated by happy, fascist, Bush-bots?

Or will future parents weep, rid of Bush an his kind, but not quickly enough to have been able to undo his deeds and save all that we have today that is still worth saving? Will they wonder how the hell the people of our time ever we let shit get so very out of hand, asking
"Why didn't they do anything to stop that asshole Bush?"

Well, the deck is stacked against us. So what can we do?
The press has been corrupted.
The vote has been rigged.
We can't even impeach the bastards that run the show, because--after all--they run the damn show!

Now we may lose the filibuster, and with it the heart of a democratic senate. Are we seeing the death of our form of government?

Excuse me, but the three branches are not meant to have been a support group for any one ideology, or rubber stamp mechanisms for the executive office.

The three branches exist for ONE reason - to SEPARATE the powers of government, not to consolidate them. But no one is saying this. The Senate is on its death bed, and no one (save for a few blogers) gives a shit.

It seems that the only path left before us is one of revolution.

But before we grab our rifles and head for the hills, we might first consider another method, though it would be radical.

(deep breath)

I suggest that we hold an opposition election. Elect a peoples government.

We can use the Internet to organize the event, and work out the details of how something like this should evolve.

Yes, I'm saying that we should create a shadow government, or rather, a people's government, as the current bunch of bastards is obviously not interested in protecting and supporting the people of this country, nor our constitution.

They seem only interested in maintaining their own positions of power.

We should up with a proper name for the new government, and a new name for the old government. Names that symbolize the old and the new.

The trust lost and the trust restored.

Then, through these new bearers of the public trust, we should bring impeachment hearings against the members of the old executive office, congress, and the Supreme Court.

If you feel frightened by such an idea, imagine how the men who signed the Declaration of Independence must have felt. Each signature was a self-imposed death sentence. Benjamin Franklin said that they must all hang together, else they all hang separately.

But, if outright rebellion is not your idea of logic, then consider doing the above as an act of symbolism. The effect of having such a body of citizens hold public impeachment hearing against the president would be an excellent opportunity to state a mock-though legitimate-case against Bush, and try that case in the court of public opinion.

Its a media gambit, but one with teeth. The opportunities are endless. We could ignite the fire of curiosity in people's minds, anger some, and create pure hostility in others.

Thats quite OK. As long as what is being said by the people's government is being discussed around the office water cooler, then the initial goal has been met.

I'm sure there are 1000 things wrong with this idea, and I want to hear them.

But there is something right about this idea as well, and that is the fact that established methods of dealing with abuses of power are not working, and are not suddenly going to begin working.

Freedom has a new kind of enemy now, and we need to try new things to protect our old freedoms. We have the Internet--a new form of media that is pure populism. We need to use it or lose it.

What do you say? Shall we improvise and televise a revolution, or should we wait till our desperation turns to hopelessness?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:52 AM
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1. who is allowed to vote?
How does the process work, so that it has legitimacy?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:14 AM
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4. With an insane level of planning, is my initial answer
by people who are masters of political organizing, union startups, and media manipulation.

A few union veterans would be ideal. They know quite a bit about fighting successful fights when they are a part of the minority, and they are experts at drumming up populist support in the face of corporate whoredom.

Further, a dominoe effect must be created, one event or action initiating another, building momentum and critical mass. The first round of events must be mild, but visual. Boston Tea Party stuff. Mass burnings of the Patriot Act, etc..

The second round should be highly visible, national, and organized so well as to seem 100% spontaneous. Seemingly random protests springing up everywhere calling for all congressmen and women to step down or be impeached. Who cares what the rules of impeachment are, the bastards have lost our confidence, they need to go. If you voted for Patriot Act, you must step down. Not having read the act before you voted for it is not an excuse. It is a admission of incompetency.

From that point, the top is spinning. One need only give it a push now and then to keep it revolving.

But I bet other people have better ideas to pull this off.

Let's hear them...
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:54 AM
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2. We can recreate our government by flexing our collective muscle...
Hurt the corporations and they will heal their dogs...

As a collective we have more "power" than these sociopaths ever imagined. They're counting on the status quo, that (as usual) no one will opt to do anything, plug into their lives and hope for the best.

If we refuse to participate, what do they have?

STRIKE, SLOW DOWN, BOYCOTT!!!

NATIONAL SICK-OUT (D-DAY)- Monday June 6th

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

REMOVE GEORGE BUSH DAY - Wednesday June 1st

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:00 AM
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3. both of your links show a page error...can you fix them please?
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:06 AM
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7. here's one... that's strange that they did work
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:09 AM
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8. here's 2 more
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:15 AM
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5. interesting idea that could get people's attention
the words "improvise" a "revolution" imply it would be acted out (by actors--or people posing as actors posing as people) and rather staged.

so...we form a new "party" (not an official one) and we call it something patriotic like America's Voice Party, we create our own slightly-mock House and/or Senate, formal meetings/conferences are held that include debates on issues such as charging "so-and-so" with war crimes, propaganda peddling, crimes against nature, etc.

we could nominate and vote
but you have to be a member of the party to vote (like the sierra club only allows members to vote)

we could have our "Representatives" suggest new laws, debate them, vote on them.

kind of like political guerrilla theater. with an agenda!

okay--i'm with you.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:30 AM
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6. With teeth,
keep the idea of it being theater dumbed down, or better yet, start it out as blatant theater, then stage an act by people who apparently took the idea too far.

Theater within theater.

All in the context of the improvised revolution, but planned out from the beginning. And NEVER forgetting that the real reason behind this is that the MSM has failed to report the issues as they are, so we have to take extreme measure in order to jump start America's brain.

The real reason for all this is not some tidy, radical little dinner theater, but psy-ops war fare. We have to fight back with what we have.

Sort of a populist "Wag The Dog," with teeth.
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seg4527 Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:28 AM
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9. i've actually had that idea before
was trying to work out the details, though. never wrote down anything formally. i figured if i got the rough spots worked out, i would introduce the idea to some of my liberal friends in the twin cities.

perhaps something we want to think about is different regions, different "peoples representatives" or something. i don't know, it seems like a really good idea, but every time i try to flatten the idea out, i get caught up with things that could go wrong.

maybe if there are a few people willing to have some discussions about it and iron out the details.

seg4527@yahoo.com
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 08:54 AM
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10. Then lets discuss
This is obviously an idea that is burning its way through the ether, trying to find a way to be realized.

Lets talk.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 06:29 PM
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11. Filibuster
im filibustering the death of this thread
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