Attn: Dean Bashers and Those Disappointed in No Mention of THE MEMO (long)

[Stinky The Clown]

Let me open by saying I was not a Dean supporter in the infamous 'Primary Wars'. I am not here now to bash Dean, or to bash anyone who bashes Dean. I am not posting this in response to any particular thread here on DU, and I will only reply to on-topic posts in this, **my** thread.

With that sadly necessary preamble, here's my take on the mention, or more rightly, the lack of a mention of the Downing Street Memo in Dr. Dean's tea time with Fat Timmy Potato Head on this morning's edition of Meet the Whore.

I think we need to be a little more strategic in our thinking. I tuned in this morning wanting for all the world to hear him yelling and screaming about what is quite likely the smokiest smoking gun we're gonna get. A smoking gun that I think is still locked, loaded and lethal - against *them*.

But Dean didn't go there. Some feel it was a mistake. Some feel he screwed up. Some feel he 'alluded' to it.

But none of us got that red, bloody, raw meat we so badly crave.

I think we're asking for more than should be asking for at this point.

I posted this in an earlier thread. I am posting it here because it makes my point. We MUST allow this pus-filled pustule to ripen on its own. We MUST allow it to turn white and spew the pus from its own internal pressure. If we squeeze it and pop it, WE get the pus in our own eye.

Let it build and pop naturally ... well ... we can help it along a bit ... but not in any obvious way. Anyway, here's my earlier post .....

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Consider this:

Howard Dean (live on national teevee): Bush Lied and People Died. Bush did, exactly, X, Y, and Z.

Fat Timmy (feigning incredulity): Governor Dean, surely you have proof for such seemingly outrageous and incendiary remarks against our prayzident! Surely, sir, you have complete proof when you call the Prayzident a liar on *my* show, sir?

Howard Dean (now in full throat, red meat, song): You're damn right I do, Tim. Right here. (holds up memo).

Fat Timmy (now showing a hint of a smirk on his bloated lips): But Governor, that's a transcript. You don't have the actual memo, do you?

Howard Dean (still on full-out red meat mode): Tim, its right here. This is what the British told ....

Fat Timmy (interrupting and speaking louder): Governor, surely there's corroboration for this ..... this ..... (sneering)'text', is there not?

Howard Dean: Tim, we have th ....

Fat Timmy: Do you, sir, have a person who will attest to this in a court of law? In the well of the House?

Howard Dean: Tim, you kno....

Fat Timmy: Doctor Dean, this is an extraordinary charge. Do you expect the American people, in this time of war and national emergency ......


And then this gets repeated ..... and repeated ..... and repeated .....


Yeah ... that'll help ...... a lot.

Here's the fact. This has to percolate into the public consciousness from sources outside the party establishment. This has to get some play elsewhere. For our leadership to toss it out there and make an accusation would do NOTHING but allow them to paint us as loons and conspiracy theorists.

Look, I'm on your side. But I also think we need to be VERY DAMNED CAREFUL with the gift that is the Downing Street Memo. Things like this don't come along very often. And keep in mind ... it isn't a transcript that has been notarized and entered into evidence. It is a summary. An impression. While I think it is strong and is, indeed, a smoking gun, we can't play it yet.

It needs to percolate from **other** sources.

No, we need to make that percolation happen. But we can't be the percolaters.

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And it **will** percolate up. But we have to wait to talk about it *until we're asked to*. If we bring it up on our own .... we lose.

And on a side note, the memo *did* come up .... on the Leslie Blitzer Propaganda Hour on CNN. So this, as I aver, **will** stay alive for a while.

Anyway, that's my take. If you disagree, fine. I can handle that.

But remember, no flaming of Dean. If ya need to flame, flame me. This is MY idea.

'k?

[LittleClarkie]

1. Oh God, what if it IS a Rovian bait trick

We haven't seen the actual memo yet? It's only a transcript? I wasn't aware of that. Oye.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I don't know if that's true or not

I've only seen transcripts of it. What i mean is .... the exact wording reproduced elsewhere (BBC, the Guardian, etc.). But no picture of the *actual* memo. Maybe someone has a link to it?

[flpoljunkie]

39. Looks like the actual memo from the May 1, 2005, Sunday London Times

(Italics mine.)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

May 01, 2005

The secret Downing Street memo

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

more...

[Eloriel]

3. That's all well and good....

But jeeze Louise, the whole damn complaint is specious on its face. I watched Dean this a.m., and while it's no secret I'm a BIG Dean fan and not all that objective, he was pretty busy fending off attacks and answering questions and getting a lot of OTHER good punches in, like srtanding firm on the DeLay jail cell remark, and DeLay's ethics or lack thereof.

I think the expectation that he should've made a big deal of it, or indeed any mention at this point, is ridiculous. I further am convinced that the person who started the original thread did so JUST to stir up the shit.

I don't think Dean's job is necessarily to break news of this type, and let's face it, until this memo is covered on mainstream BROADCAST news (network news), it's completely unknown to the general public. Oh, he COULD make it news (or try to), but the best way to do that is via press conference, not trying to 'splain the whole thing to a basically antagonistic blowhard like Russert whose job it is to PROTECT the official myths and Big Lies. Further, why force the story about being on Russert be about that shocking (but frankly "old") news about Bush rather than about the Dems and what we're doing?

But mostly, he was busy elsewhere.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Yeah, I pretty much agree with your take on the interview

And yes, the memo IS specious on its face.

I'm just thinking we need to let it come out seemngly from quarters other than ours.

A hint here and there is fine .... that's 'helping it mature' ..... but we can't be the one's throwing it like a Molotov cocktail.

[Carolab]

33. Thanks for "getting it". n/t

[Lugnut]

29. I agree with H2S on this subject

And I also agree with your post, Eloriel. I think Dr. Dean did an excellent job on MTP this morning. He got in several well placed shots on many subjects including the Iraq lies. I actually stood up and applauded when he refused to back down or apologize about his DeLay comments.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. "he refused to back down or apologize about his DeLay comments"

Hear! Hear!

I thought that was priceless.

Up yours, Fat Timmy!

[SnoopDog]

4. Ya, we'll get them the next time... ya the next time... Ya, the next...

We'll save it for when it REALLY is big! Lets wait! Hey, we have time... We'll get them the next time.... We'll save it for the best proof of their crimes... Ya, lets wait... I am in no hurry.... Heck, its only our Democracy... We have time.. We'll wait for when we actually get a picture of Chaney 'pushing the kill button'. Ya, thats it.. We can wait...

Maybe, just maybe, Dean could have utilized the most prime time showing of a Dem, that he could have mentioned the 'meeting transcripts'. (It wasn't a memo people - it was 'minutes of a meeting'.

It is ALL OVER THE FUCKING WORLD about these transcripts. Oh, ITS A ROVE SPIN. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN for cover everyone. ROVE SPOKE AGAIN. ITS A SET UP ---- RUN RUN RUN....

Some real truth is that there were no WMD, no ties to Al-Ciada, no involvement with 911.

And IT IS NOT THE IRAQ FUCKING WAR. ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR. This is 'let Chaney/Bush/Haliburton get rich invasion!.. 1600 Americans Dead - they don't fucking care.

They have only one card left for 'shooting the moon' - and guess what, our pansy Dems are letting them win.

What happens after Tuesday everybody when our government violates their own rules to 'play the last card'.

[buff2]

7. Now there you went and did it!

I just posted about how I agreed with the person who started this thread and then after reading your post I am pissed all over again! You have a good point too...It's so hard to be civil when we are getting screwed so bad by this government...if these rethugs get their way Tuesday,it will be official. A repukeliKKKan dictatorship will be complete.We democrats,Greens,Independents and all other parties will be as good as dead. It will be repukeliKKKan rule from here on out...because not only will they have all three branches of Government,they will stack ALL the courts with their so called "Christian" fundies. There will be NO WHERE left for us to go to get our voices heard. They will have it ALL and that is their goal. To hell with the rest of us who don't kiss and worship their lying filthy cheating greedy asses.This crap is too depressing to even comprehend. :argh:

[SnoopDog]

8. It seems NOBODY understands that America is SOON to be a thing of the past

On edit oops - pushed to the submit button by mistake. Here is the rest...

America was once RESPECTED throughout the world. People were lining up to enter the USA. How about now? Can you imagine, as a visitor to our country, to wear a transponder? FUCK no... I would never visit the USA if the government monitored me... very similar to the Real ID card...

It is very hard for me to hold my head up high and say I am an American. Everything it used to stand for is now just the opposite. We wage wars, we fuck up our environment, they want our citizens to be stupid, with no health care, and to DIE as soon as they pay their taxes.

Just what the fuck do we do when Chaney is ruling all three branches of government?

And in case the scholars are reading, isn't this treason against the USA - even if is is instigated by the leaders of our country?

[buff2]

15. I feel the same way,Snoop

I'm not proud to be an American like I used to be. I know we are all painted with the same broad brush by other countries. They probably think most of the American people agree with that insane bastard in the WH. Little do they know how much bu$h and his gang of thugs are really HATED here....by a huge margin- and I'd be willing to bet by a MAJORITY.I can't see how this bastard has gotten by without someone trying to get him. He's one lucky SOB.

[SnoopDog]

17. Buff2, to be honest, I have never been more afraid....

There is a saying... "When the government fears it's people - that is a good thing. When citizens fear the government, well, welcome to Hitler's rein".

Just think what America could be... Utilizing our tax dollars for our environment, education, health care, our people.

These people are truly SICK. They literally think EXACTLY like HITLER.

I don't know what to do... We are trampled on every front. Every front. Even our own leaders.

Buff2, I don't know what to do... Leave USA? I already called the Canadian Immigration. Fight? I actually would... But I fear for the innocents.

[buff2]

20. I'm scared to death,too.

I've never witnessed anything so crazy....so bizarre in all my life. I'm ashamed to say this...but nearly my whole family voted for that moron. It's the "God" thing that made them do it. That and the gays...it's so shameful to be that narrow minded. I tried to educate the poor things...I don't come from a rich family. Some do pretty well,but most in my family depend on those "handouts" they "hate" for them to live on. Does that make any sense? Geesus...I've often said I feel like I live in the twilight zone. Oh,and some members of this whacked up family of mine turned against me because of Bu$h. Can you believe it? I have an uncle in a retirement center who put away all pictures of me and my children.....even pictures of my DOG....replaced them with pictures of bu$h! It's crazy. I refuse to have anything to do with him over that one! Damn stupid ass people.

[SnoopDog]

23. That is sad to read...

My analogy is this (for describing your family)...

We are on a ship in the middle of the ocean. Everyone admires the Captain and most of the officers and most of the crew. The captain set up a false scenario to win the hearts of the crew.

But guess what? The captain (captain *), ordered that holes be drilled into the bottom of the boat. You see, the drillers paid the captain off for this work. And the captain has a life boat - but nobody else does. Some of the crew - us - see that the captain drilled holes into the bottom of the boat and we are taking on water. We are SCREAMING - WE ARE TAKING ON WATER. But, most the crew think it is OK....


Please, please know in your heart that you are right and that hopefully your family will realize the truth - before it is too late.

Please be assured there are many many people who know the truth. I hope we can succeed before 250 years of tradition are gone.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. I'm in Europe at least once a year

I can tell you, at least anecdotally, that's not true.

They dislike idiot son, to be sure. I've never felt they disliked me. Not even a hint.

That said, I've not been there since the last election. that may well have changed things. I'm going again in October, so I'll soon enough get a first hand sense of it.

[buff2]

22. For that idiot to "win" TWO terms.....

what does that look like to the people in other countries? It looks like the majority PREFERRED dim-son and his Hitler policies. It's embarrassing.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. buff2 .... read all you can ......

...... here and *out there* too. I lay out an argument for strategic restraint. There are others, I'm sure, who see it the same way.

SnoopDog sees it a different way. And I am sure there are others out there who it that same way.

This is not a simple issue. There are no easy answers. This thread is simply *my* opinion. While I *think* its right, I am not nearly so arrogant of self-assured to think that it **is** right.

My mind's open. Keep your open, too.

[buff2]

14. I do,Husb2Sparkly

I don't post a whole lot because I'm too busy reading.I try to get as much information as I can. But---in the mean time I still remain very PISSED OFF. :hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

10. One thing at a time

About Tuesday ...... ? Here's my idea.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697382


But about the memo ...... ? It simply is not in front of people's minds yet. You .....? You're obviously an involved, informed person. You know what's up. You've investigated. You've read. You've paid attention. You're **thinking** about it. And you're pissed off.

So am I.

But the sheeple .... not so much

I'll lay ya a dollar to a donut that 90% of 'em can't even relate to the term 'Downing Street', let alone that there's some smoking gun memo out there with the same name.

And we also need to be careful about conflating one issue into another. The filibuster and the war are separate issues.

The general mood of the sheeple about the filibuster is being pretty widely reported: Grade for Frist ...... F

The general notion that the sheeple think there's some flaw in our reasons for going into Iraq: Grade for the Prayzident ...... D-

We need to be damned fucking smart about this. It is likely the only 'gimme' we're gunna get.

And we only get one shot at it. And you can bet your sweet, democracy lovin' ass *they're* gunna be smart about it, too. They've gamed this one every which way from Sunday and have a hundred times more plan options for this than they did for Iraq.

[SnoopDog]

12. I know that alot of our fellow citizens are incapable of digesting...

so much information... However, this morning, we could have planted the seed for our fellow in the dark citizens to say "Hey, what did Dean just say'.

Just when is the best time? (I do know that strategy is important and times are better than not...)

We had a perfect chance and our so called leaders fucked up...

For the record - I am for ALL DEMOCRATS - DEMOCRATS WHO care about America - including Dean... But certainly missed a big chance to help us.

In case you and the rest don;t know this - our America is 'one card from being dead"....

[Stinky The Clown]

16. When's the best time? I honestly don't know .... except to say .....

...... it is definitely after the term 'Downing Street Memo' enters the popular lexicon on Main Street.

Take heart .... even Leslie spoke about it on the Propaganda Hour on CNN today.

So, its getting out there ...... maybe another week ..... two? I really don't know.

A couple of other tidbits to snack on .......

Watergate didn't go from a page 27, Metro Section burglary story in the Post to a full out presidential investigation in a week. That had to bubble up, too. Our recollections tend to foreshorten the time frame. At least mine does.

The rate of change today is faster than in the past ... and keeps accelerating. What may have taken five years to accomplish, say, thirty years ago, will be accomplished in two or three years today. While that theorem applies mainly to scientific and engineering breakthroughs, it also applies, only less accurately, to social issues as well.

And the nuclear option ....... it won't work. To be absolutely certain, it is a cataclysmically bad event to contemplate. And, as I sit here tonight, I think it will happen. But in the end, it will serve as a part of the unraveling of the right wing extremists. If nothing else, it is going to absolutely sink Frist's chances in 08. He's being used like a condom, only to be thrown away when its over.

[SnoopDog]

19. Thanks, H2S...things do take time... However, I fear time is running out.

I guess we will have to wait till Tuesday to see if your prediction is correct.

regards...

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I don't know that I so much made a predicition as much as I was speculatin

In my heart, I think we'll lose on Tuesday.

[Al-CIAda]

25. !!!!!! - ditto. n/t

[buff2]

5. Good point!

Thanks for showing me a logical explanation---I admit I was another one upset about Dean not mentioning the memo and you are right. That lard ass russert was working overtime to make Dean look bad,but he DIDN'T SUCCEED!!! :hi:

[Cha]

9. I think the key phrase you

have here is "strategic thinking".

And potato head's show wasn't the time or the place for Dean to be lobbing a British memo grenade.

[SnoopDog]

13. When is the best time, in your opinion?

[Cha]

43. I don't know..I just know

it didn't happen so when it unfolds will be the best time.

[Al-CIAda]

24. Billions STOLEN in Iraq & PNAC, PNAC, PNAC

Why won't the fuck ANYONE say it?

They just issued a damned release just last month.
Good god, this isn't rocket science. They're all players in this nighmare and they WROTE the damned PLAYBOOK. Evidence? You want evidence? They all SIGN the FUCKERS.

FUCK!!!!!!

:argh:

[Stinky The Clown]

26. "They just issued a damned release just last month."

I feel your anger! I know what its like.

But please tell me what you're referring to. What 'damned release' of last month? What fucker did they all sign?

Not being argumentative, but to reply I need to know what you're talking about.

[Al-CIAda]

27. PNAC document was released just last month-

NEW PNAC DOCUMENT, "Iraq Setting the Record Straight"
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-042005.pdf

I will assume you know all about the PNAC and its members.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Okay, thanks

Yes, you may safely assume I know what and who PNAC is.

And so do most folks, actually. Even today, Perle was on Tea Time with Leslie Blitzer (aka PropagandaSunday) talking about this claptrap in a joint interview with Clark. In fact, among a bunch of posts about it, I posted this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3705700


But even though PNAC and the signatories are pretty much common knowledge, I still think that to hit them over the head with the Downing Street Memo right now is strategically wrong. My reasons are pretty much laid out in this thread.

Now, honest people can disagree about that. And it may be that you and I will. But that's how I see it.

[Al-CIAda]

30. Yes, we will disagree, but you are hardly my target.

No, my anger is fully focused at the traitors, but 'our' side has disarmed itself and fights in a straightjacket. KERRY should have mentioned the PNAC, ALL the Dem candidates should have. Clarke is the only one who did, but only once to my recollection.

The PNAC cabal is at the heart of this entire matter, and yet no one dare speak that simple truth.

Peace my fellow poster, peace.

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Clark or Clarke? They both spoke to this.

Richard Clarke, who worked for a bunch of presidents, up though idiot son, who essentially fired him (he technically resigned) was very vocal about all this in the hearings into 9/11 and his book. He was pretty specific about things, too.

He was held out in the 'media' (tools of the cabal, to be sure) as a nut and a loon.

Wesley Clark, who ran in the 04 primaries, mentioned PNAC, specifically, only once, to the best of my knowledge (which also jives with your recollections, so we're probably both right on this score). That said, he has spoken, long, loud, and clear about the specifics of PNAC policies. He choses, for whatever reason (and I truly trust him to have excellent judgment) not to specifically mention 'PNAC'. But he is far from shy about talking *about* them. His calling them out goes back to when he was a CNN analyst, before he entered the primaries. As recently as today, in his interview with Leslie, which included a sorta debate with that asshole, Perle, he was talking about it. In fact, Perle made a totally outRAGEous statement that Clark wouldn't let pass.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3705700

Clark has also said that the PNAC stuff was very much common knowledge at the Pentagon, and Congress, even before he retired.

So yeah, they're both up to speed. Clarke (R) is pretty much off everyone's radar these days. But Clark (W) is very much in the public eye and is very much speaking out ...... but with a modicum of circumspection. Kinda like what I'm espousing in this thread. Hell, for all I know, Clark may be one of the one's who manages to 'percolate' the Downing Street Memo, too. He certainly alludes often enough to the fact that they set the facts to fit the plan. He's **never** been shy about that. But so far, even with the Memo, he's being circumspect. And I doubt very much if it is either lack of balls or choice of sport coats (straight jacket).

[Al-CIAda]

32. Yes, you are clearly well aware. Excuse my misspelling.

I only insist that despite it being well known in Wash., if the gen pop knew of its existence, it would certainly raise a few eyebrows. Its all there...signed, sealed, delivered -literally.

PNAC should be widely known entity. It puts the face and body on this amorphous thing that consumes us. The smoking gun of the 'catalyzing event', to borrow a term.

Edit- sorry to sidetrack your topic. My apologies to all.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. "Edit- sorry to sidetrack your topic" ..... No 'sorry' needed ... you were

on topic, in my view .... and since its my thread, I can say that. :)

My posit was the exercise of control over the use of the Downing Street Memo. We got a bit off that ... but not too far. And we stayed on the topic of strategy and discretion. We didn't agree, but we didn't disagree very much, either. And talked about some serious issues.

So thanks for being so thoughtful. I appreciate it.

[Michael_Bush]

36. Uhm, lets see, Rather, Newsweek, any others?

I don't blame people for being a bit touchy about which piece of paper they stake their reputation on.

Wars are lost by being to cautious and by being too bold, same goes for elections. The trick of course is knowing when to do what.

The American people ARE starting to wake up, people are starting to wonder what the heck just happened. They are not quite ready (in my opinion) to hear that an entire cabinet is being impeached for war crimes.

We need to keep pushing, dropping hints, Clark is doing a good job, so is Dean. When we start seeing the rats leaving the ship, that is when we start really holding their toes to the fire.

Galloway's screed is too good and juicy for the networks to not keep playing over and over. Everybody loves to see an upstart given his come uppance by his betters. Those accusations and the lack of any rebuttal ARE going to reverberate.

When we all start hearing from people we used to be unable to talk to because of their view, when they sadle up to us and whisper, did you hear about X or Y? THAT is when we go on the offensive, not before, in my ever so humble opinion.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. Yes, the word is trickling out .... and that's very good news

On today's 'Greatest" page was this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3708529
A GOP luminary speaking truth to power.

Now we just need a few more in the cowed media to speak out.

The cabal may have gotten away with it with Rather (maybe ... jury's still out on that one), but I think Newsweek may not stick. And like the collapse of a massive dam, it all starts with a trickle. We need to have our boogie board ready to ride that trickle .... very skillfully.

[Q]

38. Much of the reaction to 'Dean not saying anything about the memo'...

...is the culmination of five years of Democratic party silence in general. Dean may be unfairly getting the brunt of the criticism because the Dem rank and file are frustrated by the 'Barney Fifes' of the party that have allowed the Bushie GOP to walk all over us.

I'm one of the few who seem to think that Dean made a mistake by accepting the DNC chair. The Party Machine put him there to shut him up and keep him from taking controversial positions on Iraq and similar issues.

[Stinky The Clown]

41. Q, I think you're right about the frustration of the party faithful

The Barney Fife's (and there are waaaaay too many of them) have been in charge of that one bullet in the breast pocket for far too long. I think our collective desire to see Dean go for the Memo is a symptom of our collective exasperation (desperation?) with the party 'troops'. We all know Dean's capable of some great rhetoric and some passionate and righteous indignation.

And we wanted that yesterday morning.

As to your take on Dean's suitability for the Party chair, I understand what you're saying .... that it was a plan by others to muzzle him. I understand what you're saying, but see it a little differently. Dean worked for this. He sought it. He was rebuffed by the DLC-types and the moderates ..... and the appeasers.

No, I see him in a different light. I see him there as a teacher. Teaching the party faithful to once again grow a pair ... yanno?

Anyway, this last part is starting to stray off topic a bit for this particular post, but thanks for a thoughtful reply.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

40. It was great that Dean was given the full hour. Sadly, as was stated above

he had to spend that time dealing with the blatant antagonism from timbo.

When the "interview" started I was waiting for the UK memo to be brought up. Then, I began worrying about it being discussed and now I know why.

Since timbo was so aggressively trying to discredit and rattle the good doctor, any mention of the memo would have been ridiculed and swiftly tossed aside.


The imaginary dialog you created sounds like the exact exchange I was dreading.

MTP is not the forum for exposing anything that makes the bfee look bad.

MKJ

[Stinky The Clown]

42. "MTP is not the forum for exposing anything that makes the bfee look bad."

How right you are. None of the so called media is the right place to bring it up ... if we're doing the bringing up.

It *is*, however, the right place to address it once it *is* brought up ... by them.

Our job now is to quietly worm it into minds of the folks on Main Street.