More about the "compromise" in the Senate

[question everything]

We just watched last evening breaking News on CNN for a few minutes and then it was time to switch to... FOX for the season finale of "24" (have to keep our priorities right..)

So I did not get to watch the boiling over on this board but this morning was not sure what to think of this.

The reality is that we are in the minority and the Republicans can do what they damn please and we cannot do much except to, yes, scream.

But I was thankful to WilliamPitt, whose post was the first that I read here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3713311 I think that he put everything in perspective. Then hearing about all the nuts waving bibles complaining about the agreement - and the obvious humiliation of Frist - convinced me that, all things considered, it was good to have this agreement. At least we can keep our back straight after these judges get the nod.

Now let's move on, to the stem cell research, to Social Security, to access to health care, the deficit and the war in Iraq.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Last night I posited, this may be the actual turning point

hell this may be 1936 redux, that said, we will truly not know until some time has passed

[dansolo]

8. 1936 America, or Germany? (n/t)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. Wow, it took exactly one comment...

...for someone to bring up the Nazis. :eyes:

[Nite Owl]

2. I'm still upset over this

I don't really think we should have let the three we vehemently objected to yesterday ok today. There was good reason not to let these people have lifetime judgeships. I was on the moveon conference call tonight with Sen. Reid and he did say one very important thing about the extraordinary circumstances clause, he said that the only time we used the filibuster tactic was when it was extraordinary so nothing has changed about its use. In other words it lives for the big use, the Supreme Court.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. yuo are forgetting

there were ten on that list of judges and only three made it through....

They are still Federalists and monsters, but the Republic has survived this frontal attack and power grab

[Internut]

4. So - Senator Reid says that the only time

we used the filibuster tactic was when it was extraordinary. Since we used the filibusters for Owen and Brown, that would mean, according to Senator Reid, that those were "extraordinary circumstances". Yet the agreement allows them through, thus setting the "extraordinary circumstances" bar higher. Conclusion: Senator Reid is trying to put lipstick on a pig, and not succeeding very well.

[Nite Owl]

9. I don't understand that

these three were so bad yesterday but today they are ok. I know we don't have the power but sometimes a compromise just gives too much. I think that they will try again and we still will have given in to these judges. If he does try it again what will these 7 republicans do? Can we really trust them to keep their word? It's supposed to be off the table until '07 but Frist says he will try it on Tuesday with one of the judges that the group agreed was off the table. We are back where we began but they have three judges in.

[hiley]

5. me too, who defines extraordinary circumstances

someone like Senator Mark Pryor ?

208 had already be given in on.
I worked my ass off fighting several of those 208 and now Senator's
like mine, Mark Pryor breaks from the Democratic hold we had going
and
caves on 3 more.
They do not listen !
With everything that has happened especially since the Supreme Court
took our right to vote away in 2000 I feel strongly that you have to
go far left of everything the GOP does.
You can not compremise with nuts !
You will get slapped down every time.
This is just my opinion, but I get sick and tired of writing over
and over to the Senate and the House and just getting pooh poohed
and blown off.
I do realize that Frist was made to eat shit but not enough shit for
me.
Extreme Activist Judges yesterday, they are Extreme Activist Judges today !
hiley

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
Rudolf Hoess,
the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and
torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,
Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html

[question everything]

7. This is why I was not certain

yet, the reality is that they could have killed the filibuster - they've got the votes. And then we would have ended up really the party with nothing to offer - no power, losing every fight.

This way we - at least in appearance - have kept some of our dignity. I think that this is OK to be angry at this here, in private - more or less - but the fact that the right wingers are so upset should keep our spirit up.

[Mr_Spock]

6. I agree

We need to move on...

[CWebster]

11. The one point you overlook is

the judges still get the nod--and for crying out loud, that was the point. That was the damn point!

[sendero]

12. And the SCOTUS..

.... nominee, whoever they want and trust me it will not be a moderate, WILL get their upordownvote. You can bet on this.

So what did we get? An opportunity to rub Frist's nose in it for a couple days? That's not worth a bucket of warm spit to the country.

[GreenArrow]

13. grab the vaseline and a guaze pad

Dems are getting fucked. Again.