When Will Pakistan Hand Over Bin Laden?

[smoogatz]

Why hasn't Bush gotten up in front of the TV cameras and demanded that they turn him over? What the fuck's the problem?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

1. How can they turn in

a dead man ?

[smoogatz]

2. What evidence do you have that he's dead?

Pretty much everyone who's acquainted with the situation at Tora Bora thinks he escaped the battle on horseback and rode into Pakistan, less than twenty miles away.

[Bridget Burke]

3. When Bush doesn't need him any more as the All Purpose Boogie Man.

Otherwise, we might hear plans to "spread democracy" to Pakistan.

[BlueJac]

4. GW does not want him....

terra is about Iraq.....and spreading oil futures!

[smoogatz]

5. But how are they able to justify the fact that he's being "harbored"

by Pakistan? What case have they made, in public, to defend their apparent lack of interest in capturing him?

[Double T]

12. The 'terrorists' are alive and well and........

trading in oil and gasoline futures

[CanOfWhoopAss]

6. Pakistan's Pres. will have to fight a coup. OBL is too popular. nt

[smoogatz]

7. So Pakistan's local politics trumps justice for the victims of 9/11?

Has our government informed us of this decision?

[CanOfWhoopAss]

31. Yes, if it keeps stability for an "ally".

OBL is probably still on the NSA pay roll hanging out in Crawford.

[Raster]

8. I do not believe bushco* EVER wants to see obl in a court of law.

No telling what he would tell a jury. bushco* wouldn't want that. Too many holes in the "official" story might come to light.

[smoogatz]

9. Who said anything about a court of law?

If anybody ever belonged in Gitmo, it's OBL. They can stomp on his nads day and night, for all I care. The question is, why has our administration betrayed the victims of 9/11 by not demanding his capture and extradition?

[Raster]

14. let me rephrase: I don't think it's in bushco*'s best interests for

obl to see the light of day, gitmo or otherwise.

Good question. Another good question is why has bushco* tried to derail any competent investigation into 9/11? There's a whole list of good questions that have yet to be answered.

My favorite is why weren't fighters scrambled within minutes after the first plane went off the reservation? Who gave the "stand down" order?

[smoogatz]

18. There are lots of good questions.

Why weren't the names on the CIA watch list given to the FAA? Why was there never a Bushco principles meeting on terrorism before 9/11? Why was there no Bushco response to the bombing of the USS Cole?

[Raster]

24. yep. Lots o' questions. I don't think anyone that has spent any time

reading about and researching 9/11 doesn't have a whole bunch of questions. MIHOP, LIHOP, whatever. bushco* knows a helleva lot more than it's ever squared with the American public. I've stated before I don't believe in coincidence, at least not the pnac kind. "Gosh, the only way we can ram our agenda down America's throat is to have a second "Pearl Harbor-type event." " Yeah, just a coincidence, eh? Coincidence is for you and a friend happening to meet at the same movie, or finding out you and your significant other both like pasta. Coincidence does not apply to "Pearl Harbor-type events." That's called aiding and abetting, to say the least.

[smoogatz]

26. History is rife with weird coincidences.

My own take in the LIHOP/MIHOP thing is that Bushco were telling the truth when they said they never imagined that terrorists would hijack planes and ram them into buildings. They thought terrorists would hijack planes and detonate them in midair, limiting the casualties to a few hundred people-but providing plenty of emotional impetus for the PNAC agenda. It fits, seems to me--they're such idiots they can't even get their conspiracy straight.

[maxsolomon]

10. Never. Pakistan has nukes.

Musharraf hands over OBL, whom he probably knows the exact location of, he gets assasinated. Period. He knows it, we know it.

Obviously, we prefer the nukes stay in his hands rather than any of the potential successors.

When you lie down with dogs...

[smoogatz]

11. So you're saying Pakistan is a potential nuclear threat?

Shouldn't we invade them, before the threat fully materializes? Isn't that what preemptive war is all about? Since when does Bushco care about realpolitik, anyway--this is a matter of principle.

[maxsolomon]

27. i know you're kidding

bushco, at least the elitist PNAC wing, thinks they are the only ones who understand realpolitik.

its why we're in iraq. they just think we're too stupid to handle the truth. the spice must flow!

[smoogatz]

28. Well, playing devil's advocate, at least.

It's interesting, though--you're right They CLAIM to be all about exporting democracy to the poor benighted peoples of oil-rich nations with whom we are not currently in bed. They THINK they're policy geniuses who will transform the middle-east into a pro-American, pro-Israel, free-market paradise. In fact, they're just complete fucking morons who, if they hadn't been born rich or gotten rich by accident, would be lucky to get jobs as wash-room attendants in a Holiday Inn.

[maxsolomon]

30. bush, sure. but cheney is a self-made man

i hate his farking guts, but he is. perle, wolfowitz, etc. are neo-con adherents of leo strauss. academics. not from a silver spoon background like the useful idiot. they really think they know how the world works, and that lying to the public is a neccessary part, just like the delusion of religion.

they could give a fuck about democracy in the middle east. what they really care about is maintaining the post-war status quo, and for that, the spice must flow. to us.

[blondeatlast]

29. My hubby is Indian, so we watch that area of the world closely.

You've nailed it. Musharif's role is tenuous even without his passive support of OBL.

If he turns OBL over, he's a dead man and an enormous war comes to Pakistan.

[tom_paine]

13. Osama Bin Goldstein will NEVER be captured

He is too useful to his employers in the Bush Crime Family, alive.

1984 is an instruction manual for these people.

[smoogatz]

15. Okay, fine--but isn't anyone even going to ask the question?

The CIA has said they know where he is. Why can't we just go get him, for God's sake? Somebody should at least ask Bush the question.

[tom_paine]

17. That is not on the list of Approved Questions

The asker KNOWS with certainty that they would lose their job, career, livelihood, and perhaps (later on when the furor has died down) their life.

[smoogatz]

20. More likely, the WH would just deny any knowledge of his whereabouts.

They'd claim the CIA statement was "just speculation."

[txaslftist]

16. Right before a major US election.

[smoogatz]

19. If it ever happnes, yes.

That would be the timing. Or--and here's an interesting thought--right after, a la Iran and the Carter/Reagan election fix.

[txaslftist]

21. I suspect OBL will be dead from kidney failure or some such...

... it's not like there's any will to kill him at the GOP.

He's too good an agent.

[Catrina]

22. An old Bush family friend?

We don't want OBL ~ at least Bush doesn't, I'm sure. He let the entire family out of the country right after 9/11, including two members who were under investigation for maybe sending funds to Al Queda.

Bush got his start in the oil business with a loan from a Bin Laden brother. His father visited the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia shortly before 9/11.

Their family connections go back 30 years ~ Bush Sr. was a friend and/or business partner of Bin Laden Sr.

It's hard to go after the son and brother of old family friends.

What amazes me is that he has had five years to go after OBL, and the Freeps don't seem at all bothered that he's bin forgotten by their 'we'll smoke'm outta his cave' tough-talking hero!!

I know they 'blamed Clinton' for not getting him, but their silence on the failure of this president to get him, with much more support, the entire US military and Congress, and the American people, behind him, is pretty damn deafening.

Those freeps, they just do as they're told ~ yell for blood on cue, forget it on cue!! I remember the Wanted posters and freeps being certain that where Clinton supposedly failed (at least he knew where he was) Cowboy George would 'get the job done'. So, where is their outrage? All those dead people, and no OBL!!

[smoogatz]

23. Exactly.

Where's the outrage? 3,000 innocents dead on 9/11, but the guy that did it is sipping mint tea and eating lamb kabobs in Waziristan, in the company of his six wives and twenty children. Why does George Bush hate the victims of 9/11?

[arewenotdemo]

25. I'm notta MIHOP disciple...but this is one big reason why

LIHOP does not seem too far out there.

They know where he is and yet won't go after him??!!??