Who wants immediate troop withdrawal?

[Nightjock]

A few minutes ago I was talking on the phone with a "recovering" bush supporter about Iraq.

I never thought he would turn-he was the biggest "bushbot"-

but as he said two months ago, "I got tired of all the bullshit and registered as an Independant!"

I told him I want immediate withdrawl from Iraq and he kept replying about the country launching into a civil war.

He than asked me why I bother screaming about it when NO politicians favor the immediate return of our troops.

I said, "Well there's Kucinich....and Byrd....and uh...."

Is there anyone else? I having an enormous brain fart!

I want to call him back.

[Seen the light]

1. I want immediate withdrawal to an extent

I mean...I know it's not possible just due to military and government bureaucracy to pull out tomorrow. Fine. Just bring them home as soon as humanly possible.

[longship]

2. It won't make much difference.

So, I want to save as many lives as possible.

If not immediate, as fast as humanly possible.

[Greeby]

3. The Out of Iraq Congressional Caucus

At last known count numbers 66 members. Mostly the usual suspects drawn from the Black and Progressive Caucuses

[Nightjock]

10. Thank you!

Heros! Patriots!

Rep. Neil Abercrombie, Rep. Xavier Becerra, Rep. Corrine Brown, Rep. Julia Carson, Rep. Donna Christensen, Rep. John Conyers, Rep. William Delahunt, Rep. Lloyd Doggett, Rep. Sam Farr, Rep. Chaka Fattah, Rep. Raul Grijalva, Rep. Luis Gutierrez, Rep. Rush Holt, Rep. Marcy Kaptur, Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Barbara Lee, Rep. Shelia Jackson - Lee, Rep. John Lewis, Rep. James McGovern, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, Rep. Jim Moran, Rep. Grace Napolitano, Rep. Eleanor Holmes-Norton, Rep. John Olver, Rep. Major Owens, Rep. Donald Payne, Rep. Nick Rahall, Rep. Charles Rangel, Rep. Janice Schakowsky, Rep. Bobby Scott, Rep. Jose Serrano, Rep. John Tierney

[Jed Dilligan]

4. I'm more worried

About where they'll go when they come back. A lot of mentally damaged people with dwindling benefits hitting an unrecoverable job market... the streets are going to get ugly.

[Faygo Kid]

8. Give 'em some credit.

Yes, many lives have been ruined, but with our support, they have a chance. We owe them. What an awful situation, though.

[Jed Dilligan]

9. I hope so

But Vietnam doesn't set a very good precedent in this regard.

[Faygo Kid]

12. We need to provide better support. But the neocons don't care.

Remember when Wolfowitz, testifying to the Senate, had no idea how many deaths there were in Iraq? And that's when there were "only" about 700. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld - they don't give a damn about these troops once they return. How many are Big Donors, after all, to the GOP? I hope we here at DU don't forget. Because the neocons never cared enough about them in the first place.

[jonnyblitz]

18. I fear you are correct. nt

[Faygo Kid]

5. Yes, withdraw. And I don't say that lightly.

The fact of the matter is I do not believe that whether we stay there five days or five years we will stabilize Iraq. We should have immediately pulled out of Vietnam, but didn't, and what did we gain by staying until 1974? Death and destruction. Many will die (thanks, George!) but ultimately, the Iraqis will have to settle this on their own. No more blood, money and destruction of what the U.S. once stood for. Stop the war.

[realFedUp]

6. Bring 'em home.

This administration isn't capable of mending
the fences anymore and more people, military and
citizens will die. It isn't worth continuing
the deaths.

[slay]

7. If not immediate withdrawal, then an ENTIRELY new approach

where we actually talk to these so called "insurgents" and come to some kind of solution that will work for everyone. If our government will not do that, then put me down for IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL. The war was based on lies, and no more American soldiers should have to die for Bush and his LIES.

[welshTerrier2]

11. here's the latest CBS poll

source: http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm (scroll down to poll)

Poll was taken between 10/3 and 10/5 ...

"Should the United States troops stay in Iraq as long as it takes to make sure Iraq is a stable democracy, even if it takes a long time, or should U.S. troops leave Iraq as soon as possible, even if Iraq is not completely stable?"

......................Stay as
......................Long as
......................It Takes...Leave
.....................................ASAP.....Unsure
............................%........%.........%
.......ALL adults.......36.......59..........5

[Rick Myers]

13. Immediately!

[hiabrill]

14. An Immediate withdrawal

is the only right course of action...

[wildwww2]

15. I do. This war crime was senseless. Except from the Military Industrial

Complex Profit point of view. Besides that it has always been and always will be an "unable to win anything" mess. Oh,unless the deaths of civilians and our troops is winning. Which I do not think it is. But Halliburton profiteers may disagree with me.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[SunDrop23]

16. I want a PLANNED EVACUATION

so as to prevent additional military and civilian deaths.

[elfin]

17. I want aggressive, staged withdrawal

and concentration on Afgahanistan and Pakistan border with concurrent diplomacy (anyone remember what that used to be?) - to hold Syria and Iran in check until we secure our borders and track down finances, rogue groups etc. in SE Asia and S America, Saudi Arabia etc,

Also (am dreaming here) pull all contracts with Blackwater, Halliburton, KBR etc, until renogiatied with concrete, accountable goals.

[cassiepriam]

19. Does anyone know how many troops we had in Viet Nam at the

height of the war? And how many died?

I am having such deja vu.

[I_am_Spartacus]

20. "Immediate troop withdrawl" is Republican frame.

It deliberately sounds like "surrender" or "quit."

Why is the dichotomy "drop everything and run away" vs "seeing it through to the end"? Why isn't it "let's leave ASAP, with the emphasis on "soon" and "possible"" vs "do you want to act like it's a cricket match and take your time"?

Kerry did a nice job of breaking down this frame. He said that if we're not going to act like we want to leave ASAP, elements of the Iraq gov't are going to take advantage of the US -- they'll want Americans spending their money and losing lives to prevent their loss of power.

I'm not sure if that's the case, but at least it pulls the legs out from under the frame that if we leave we're running out with our tails between our legs.

[Hissyspit]

21. Already Civil War!

Civil War WITH Occupation.

[Hissyspit]

22. Dupe - Self-delete.

[sandnsea]

23. "out now" doesn't mean NOW

I've been told that by many anti-war people. It is to draw attention to the need to end the war, but doesn't mean we leave Iraq without security. The only public figure I know of who sincerely means NOW, and always has, is Tom Hayden. That's why his support of Kerry's speech and plan is dramatic.

[madokie]

24. Every coalition troops need to be removed from Iraq

pretty much the whole middle east. We can not have any semblance of peace with our presence still there. Our presence along is responsible for a large part of the carnage going on. Turn it over to the UN and the world court in the Hague.

[MissMarple]

25. It's all in how it's done, and what you mean by "immediate".

;) Clark has a plan involving diplomacy, politics, and a better set of military strategies. Immediate doesn't mean all the soldiers just show up at home tomorrow.