OK, I thought * received over a million more votes than Kerry in 04

[DainBramaged]

Like 1.8 million more. I'm reading Kos, and here are his numbers:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/2/82613/2776

* :59,054,087

Kerry: 59,028,109

Difference=25,978

Is this for real?? I'm not trying to open a scab, but isn't that within .5 or one half of one percent??? And why wasn't the fucking election contested by Kerry??? I haven't ben asleep, so what did I miss, or did the MSM and the RNC bury this information and the DNC conveniently forget to mention this?????


Ohio was the dam that held for the Thuglies. And they got away with it.

SONUVABITCH.

[kentuck]

1. That is not correct, is it ?

I thought it was well more than a million votes?

[GetTheRightVote]

2. NO, * cheated Kerry as well as Gore, stole both elections for sure !!

So he should not be in the WH at all.

:kick:

[Hobarticus]

3. Actual vote count itself is irrelevant. It's the electoral college tally

and there was nothing Kerry could have done to catch up to Bush on election night. It's first to reach the 'magic number', and Bush trounced him. The final certified count showed 286 votes for Bush, 251 for Kerry, and 1 for Edwards.

Please, no flames. I'm stating the facts of the electoral college, not debating about the stolen election.

[sepia_steel]

4. *ahem*

Ohio was very narrowly lost by 118,000+whoknowshowmanykerrywon STOLEN VOTES. Kerry would have won the election. The electoral college would have given it to Kerry if Kerry wasn't robbed of Ohio and Florida.

Thankyouverymuch.

edit IRRELEVANT???

[Hobarticus]

9. Read my post carefully...

I said nothing about the election NOT being stolen.

[sepia_steel]

14. I read just fine.

But the number of votes is obviously NOT irrelevant.

[Hobarticus]

15. Ohhh-kay. You win. n/t

[DainBramaged]

5. No flames, fully understood about electoral college

But I go back again to the theme Kos is discussing, the evaporated mandate, and if these figures are correct (everything from the networks in 2004 is all over the map from 2,000,000 to 48000)so I am confused. As I said Ohio was the dam that held for the Cons it appears.

[Hobarticus]

12. Offically, Kerry threw in the hat long before final tally was determined

There's several numbers being floated around, that may explain the discrepancy.

Electoral college sucks. Some Ohio jackhole's vote apparently counts more than yours or mine.

[William769]

6. No flame but...

How do you figure that number was a trounce?

[Hobarticus]

11. Not so much a trounce, but it was mathematically impossible for Kerry

to make up the difference. Really, it was the closest election in US history, Ohio and Florida notwithstanding.

Cheney crowed about the largest turnout in history voted for Bush....failing to note that the SECOND-largest electorate voted against him.

[Lexingtonian]

7. That's an early tally, not the final one

At the time of the Daily Mirror front page, Kerry's tally was 55-56 million votes.

December 17, 2004

The Final Results Are In

Michael McDonald of George Mason University provides the final turnout numbers and presidential results:

Bush 62,008,619 (50.74%)
Kerry 59,012,107 (48.29%)
Total (all candidates) 122,212,577
(Turnout Rate among eligible: 59.9%)

Margin of Victory: 2,996,512 (2.45%)

for this and the links-
http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000997.php

[The_Counsel]

8. It's Not Accurate, Actually...

That headline ran the day after the election as I recall. Bush did have 59,054,087 votes at press time, but Kerry only had just short of 56 million. But all the votes hadn't been counted.

Bush ended up with over 62 million votes to Kerry's 59 million plus, for a margin of about 3 million.

[DainBramaged]

10. OK, understood, even more stoopid people than I thought

I'll go back to my normal angst now.

[SheilaT]

13. because of the

stupid Electoral College system I'm more firmly convinced than ever that if I'm still in Kansas in 2008 (and I hope fervently that I won't be) I see absolutely no point in bothering to cast a vote in the presidential column, because it simply doesn't matte any way.

And that's whether or not the election was stolen last year, which I sincerely believe it was.