Part Deux!! Great fun tonight on CSPAN

[Crazy Guggenheim]

[erinlough]

1. WooHoo....lets go Kildee, My rep

[LSK]

Robinhood in reverse bill

Exactly right!

[kainah]

22. lot of talk about morals and values tonight

and all of it from the dems.

[nickshepDEM]

2. Did Ruppersberger (MD-2) speak yet?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. I don't think so.

[nickshepDEM]

5. Ok, Im just checking up on him. That SOB voted for the Bankruptcy Bill

so he obviously cannot be trusted.

[kainah]

4. thanks for starting thread #2

and for everyone sharing this tonight!!

:bounce:

:popcorn:

[kainah]

6. does anyone know what got Dingell so upset?

he was jumping on Joe Barton for some "false accusation." Anyone catch what that was about?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. I think he called bullshit on Barton.

[erinlough]

9. I've been turning down the repubs but

I think Barton said something about the Democrats not having a plan.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Another one of their talking points

:eyes: Of course whenever Dean or any democrat is on tv all they do is ask them quotes and to play offense instead of asking them about what they would do etc. :eyes:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

7. Is someone trying to shout her down?

[kainah]

28. Republican strategy to CUT AND GUT

nice little turn of phrase. Betty McCollum.

No one was trying to shout her down. Someone said "House is not in order" twice from the seats.

CUT AND GUT

[LSK]

10. charts!!

Lets show a chart on who exactly is getting those tax cuts! Gotta love charts!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

11. Ron Kind. I 've heard he's good!

[nickshepDEM]

12. ROFL He is good. "China graduated more English speaking engineers

than we did in the U.S. last year."

[erinlough]

14. obviously smart, speaks well, looks good.............

how experienced in politics is he? I've never heard from him before?

[kainah]

31. this must be at least his 3rd term or more

That's just off the top of my head but he's not new. And, yes, he can be quite good.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

13. New - New Deal.

[LSK]

15. Inslee talking about raping our Natl Forests

[Crazy Guggenheim]

16. Jay! Jay! There is nothing scared! This is a shame!

[tsuki]

27. Is it just me, or are the Repubs taking this personally?

[erinlough]

32. Since I turn off the sound when they speak I get to see only

body language and yes, they are taking it very personal. They aren't used to having someone push back and it shows!

[kainah]

36. my sister also mutes repugs and W

and it's really interesting the things she notices without the sound on.

[erinlough]

37. Thing I noticed they are always shaking their fingers at the Dems.

And doing what appears to be yelling.

[kainah]

33. the repugs take everything personally

but they've had a tough day -- murtha's statements about the war and the defeat on the health/education bill -- and they are touchy, touchy.

[tsuki]

64. Please watch Nussle, I cannot. God, I hate Conservatives.

[erinlough]

66. Hate to even look at his gestures! sound has been off for a while.

[kainah]

41. Inslee on fleas

"Mr. Speaker, it is true that dogs collect fleas and so do large fiscal bills and this bill is no exception. I wanna talk abt one of those fleas infesting this bill ... slipped into the bill in the middle of night ... that gives away America's most pristine areas in our national forests to the special interest friends of the majority party."

Giving away the patented lands to special interests and increase the deficit at the same time. What will happen to it? Whatever they want. It's not about mining -- it's about allowing your special interest friends to take that property and pay the people literally nickels. Thhis bill will leave children millions of dollars in debt and they won't even have land to picnic in. You would sell anything in America to finance your tax cuts. The Washington Monument could come next. This is a shame.


In quotes is quoted; without is quickie transcript.

[kainah]

18. George Miller was FANTASTIC

I love when he asked if they couldn't gavel him down at the same time as he shouted his outrages!!!!

That was fantastic.

(I'm now so far behind you guys because of jumping back with PVR/TiVo but it's great fun to just see what you're posting and know what to be looking forward to. I will try to come along and add some transcriptions.)

[tsuki]

19. Inslee laid it on. The Washington Monument is next? Nothing or

no one you won't sell to your special interests. Go Dems.

[kainah]

45. and Nussle mocking Inslee

I'm looking in the bill. Where did we take away picnics?

You're so funny, Jim. Now go back to Iowa. Which side are you on?

[LSK]

20. a chart on government growth from 2001 - 2005

Wait a sec, the conservatives were in charge during that time! Thanks for proving what a bunch of hypocrites Republicans are.

[erinlough]

21. I will never, never, never understand how a woman can be a repub.

I never have understood it.

[LSK]

25. she just had a chart on how the Rep Congress grows Govt

She is an idiot. A dem pointed it out to her right afterwards thou.

[erinlough]

26. I saw that,

where do they get their charts? Charts-R-Us I think.

[tsuki]

30. Neither have I.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

23. HOYER! Good!

[kainah]

51. Hoyer

"Your party has been in charge for all 5 of the years that spending has gone out of control and your conservatives are telling you just that, including Dick Armey, your former majority leader."

[nickshepDEM]

24. Hoyer just nailed it down. But what he should have said is...

You dumb fucks. You've been in charge the last 4 years not us. Wake the fuck up.

[Hawkeye-X]

29. hoyer nailed waite big time!

Go steny!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

34. When Bush said he opposed nation building, no one knew it was

about the U.S.

[erinlough]

35. Emanuel, you guys give new meaning to women and children first

they get programs that benefit them cut first. Very Good

[kainah]

58. actually, Emanuel can be much better

he looked awfully tired tonight and got kind of caught up in his words which is unusual for him.

But, yet again, have you no shame, no sense of decency....

teehee!!

[Hawkeye-X]

38. fuck. beauprez is embarrasing

And this asshole wants to run for Governor of my state next year? I hope he'll get clobbered.

[kainah]

54. in reply to Murtha's statement today

he talked abt his constituents, the "Hmong refugees from Vietnam." Of course, the Hmong are refugees from our covert war in Laos....

yes, quite embarrassing.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

39. Hoyer ........

:popcorn:

[SunDrop23]

40. Hell yes!

You go boy!

[LSK]

42. he is saying what I have been saying for years

Rep President - deficits
Dem President - surplus

[Crazy Guggenheim]

44. $559 B Surplus under Big Dog!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

46. OMG!! Good Bush has not vetoed one spending Bill!!

[LSK]

48. face the facts

The truth hurts Repukes! They will somehow continue to IGNORE REALITY.

[erinlough]

43. Hell, I can't keep up, the scroll said the Senate passed

their version of tax cuts 64/33. What were they voting on?

[kainah]

47. their version of tax cuts

The House is supposed to vote on those tomorrow ... and then the House and Senate will have to go to conference on the two versions of the bill (unless they pass identical bills -- highly unusual) and then pass their "conferenced" version.

[LSK]

50. was this the energy company tax cuts being repealed?

[kainah]

62. not sure what was in the senate

haven't been able to keep up today!!!! :-)

The House bill, I think, is more cap gains, extending "death tax" and "marriage penalty."

[tsuki]

Steny Hoyer is hot, and he doesn't take any guff.

[kainah]

70. Transcription of Steny Hoyer

"This bill is no picnic. Mr Speaker, for 5 yrs the repug party in Washington has pursued the most irresponsible and dangerous fiscal policies in the history of this country. Today, they claim they are getting tough on spending, that they are restoring fiscal discipline. I suppose that's the fiscal discipline they threw away over the last 5 yrs. I have been a member of this house for 25 yrs, for 17 of those years, there has been a R president in the US. The one person who can stop spending in its tracks. ... and during those 17 yrs, every year, without exception, we have had a large deficit. for 8 yrs, we had a dem president and for 4 yrs, we had surpluses. 4 straight yrs."

[tsuki]

75. Nailed. You know, no matter how the vote goes, the Repubs have

lost. I know a lot of parents getting ready to send their children to university.

[kainah]

77. yup n/t

[kainah]

80. more Hoyer

"In five short years, they've driven us 3 trillion dollars deeper into debt. Today, Repubs say they want to restore fiscal discipline. All of America must ask: WHY DO YOU INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE? President Bush has not vetoed one spending bill that you have offered. If spending is out of control, it's out of control because you let it get out of control. You planned to get out of control and you passed bills to get it out of control. Repubs rammed a Rx drug bill thru that they told us, which was not true and they knew it not to be true, that it was going to cost $395 billion -- why? coz your budget said you were gonna spend $400 billion. That was a lie. You knew it was not true. In fact, two months later, you came by and said it was 524. Now it's over a trillion dollars."

[Crazy Guggenheim]

49. OSAMA BIN LADEN!! LOL!!!

[LSK]

52. will the gentleman yield or are you afraid to yield

OMG this is good!!!

[SunDrop23]

55. Yes, he's afraid to yield.

He is a pussy.

[kainah]

88. Transcript of Hoyer & Nussle explosion

Nussle (at end of Hoyer's prepared comments) and in a voice dripping with :sarcasm: -- Except the gentleman forgot OBL.

"Crowd": Ooooohhhhh

Nussle: And I thank the gentleman for that. I would now yield...

Hoyer: Would the gentleman yield? Does the gentleman want to debate the issue?

Nussle: Mr. Speaker, I have been recognized...

Hoyer: Because I tell my friend...

Nussle: I asked the gentleman to yield and he refused to yield to me.

Hoyer: Will the gentleman yield? Mr. Speaker! Does the gentleman want an answer to his question or is the gentleman afraid to yield.

Speaker -- banging gavel -- restoring order (trying)

Hoyer: I will say it quietly...

Speaker: gentleman from IA is recognized. Does the gentleman choose to yield time.

Nussle: Mr. Speaker, you know, I would have loved to have that debate but the gentleman refused to yield to me so I have no choice...

"Crowd": aaaahhhhhhhhhhh......

(The ellipses do not reflect things missing, just trailing off.)

[uncertainty1999]

53. Holy CRAP!! ..and they just took the $$ away from NYC for 9-11, right??

[Daylin Byak]

57. This is hot

This debate is more hotter then the FY2006 appriations debate over the summer.

[erinlough]

56. That repub should shave, he looks goofy.

[Daylin Byak]

59. What are you talking about...

Paul Ryan always looked goofey, beard or no beard.

[Kurovski]

60. Did they all go "Awwwww" to Jim Nussle?

I 've seen two hours of this and it's like the office crew getting tanked at "Chili's" on a friday night.

Cool.

Can astrologer's here tell us what's up? It's been an odd three days.

[kainah]

83. it's been an odd few months! n/t

[Crazy Guggenheim]

61. Now The Clinton Recession!!!!!!

[LSK]

63. omg, the Clenis again

Clinton recession! LOL

[Hawkeye-X]

65. WHAT FUCKING CLINTON RECESSION???

FUCKING IDIOT NUSSLE

[LSK]

67. you know, when he enacted mysterious legislation

The kind that nobody can tell you exactly what he did to start the recession! :sarcasm:

[Daylin Byak]

68. I hate Nussle

So much pride and arrogance is in the air when he talks like saying were basically a piece of sh*t. UGGGGH!

[erinlough]

69. smirk, smirk, point, point =Nussle

[Crazy Guggenheim]

71. Hoyer again!!

:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

72. Pelosi!!!

[SunDrop23]

76. You go girl!

[LSK]

73. Pelosi up now

[kainah]

74. Someone should slap down Nussle!

Hoyer was speaking, said he would yield "at the end" and Nussle said "I'll believe that when I see it."

THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

78. Go Nancy!

[erinlough]

79. I get really mad at fundies but I gotta say good job to the churches

who signed that letter. Way to go.

[kainah]

115. can't believe Nussle asks how much time Pelosi has!!!!

That is TOTALLY unheard of. Comity says that the leadership speaks as long as they want and they don't get challenged on time.

You could hear Spratt say to her "You take as much time as you need" and also Nussle saying "2 and 3/4 minutes left."

It is so unheard of to try to limit any of the leadership's time!!!!

[erinlough]

81. Great quote: Republicans give new meaning to the phrase

"suffer the little children"

[LSK]

82. Clinton budget of 93

And not one republican vote. Oh yes. Lay it on them assholes!!!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

84. HasTURD.

[LSK]

85. Dennis Hasshole

Repeal taxcuts for the rich asshole!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

86. Enema Assturd.

:popcorn: :rofl:

[Daylin Byak]

87. Question...

We keep saying that the budget is bad and should be voted down but i have to say this, what is our plan? do we have one or has Nussle been right all along?

[erinlough]

90. They went over their plan in the speeches over and over

Look at a transcript.

[LSK]

91. we had a plan, see the 90s

End the war. End military PORK. Repeal tax cuts for the rich. MAke corporations pay taxes.

When your population can go to school, it is better for the economy in the long term.

[kainah]

97. the Dems did a complete budget at the beginning of the year

The repubs were so afraid of it they wouldn't let it come to the floor for a vote. If you went to Nancy Pelosi's website, I'm sure you could find it. Don't fall for that line of the repugs. It's easy to make it look as though the other side has no plan if you can control every bit of what is debated on the floor.

edited to add: check John Spratt's (D-SC) website also. He is the minority leader on the budget committee in the House. For other plans, check the Blue Dog budget. There's also the Congressional Black Caucus budget ... and the work of Kent Conrad (D-ND) in the Senate.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

89. Recorded vote!!!!!!!

[LSK]

92. asshole tried to pass it on a voice vote

[Hawkeye-X]

93. OK.... who's the dem asshole that voted yea?

On this bil?

[LSK]

95. roll call will be at house.gov in a bit

And votes tend to change.

[Hawkeye-X]

102. ok looks like he changed his vote

Probably got an asskicking from hoyer and pelosi to change the vote.

[Daylin Byak]

100. Could is be...

Jim Matheson of Utah or Dennis Moore or Kansas, they sometimes side with the repukes.

[LSK]

101. *poof* its gone

Sometimes votes change like that.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

104. The Demo vote just got turned back.

[bvar22]

94. Bernie Sanders votes 'NO!!!"

Anyone surprised?

[Daylin Byak]

96. No

He always supports the democratic caucus.

[tsuki]

152. Nope!

[LSK]

98. one republican "Nay"

Maybe more will break?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

99. TWO Repubs Nay!!

[Daylin Byak]

103. The Dem or voted YEA has now voted Nay

we can relax now.

[bvar22]

106. Probably a quick shot to the solar plexus did the trick!

Wish I could be there!

[kainah]

107. if they are losing

how long will they hold it open? It took them 3 hours to twist the arms for the Medicare Rx drug plan.........

[Crazy Guggenheim]

110. Five minutes.

[kainah]

117. they'll hold it open for hours

if they need to twist arms. It'll be the longest five minutes of your life, I guarantee it.

[LSK]

109. 4 now

Come on!!!!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

105. Four Repubs Nay!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

108. Five Nay!

[Daylin Byak]

112. now 6

we aleast 14 more repukes to vote Nay to be safe.

[LSK]

113. 7 now

[LSK]

119. 9 reps voting nay now

[LSK]

120. 10, 11

go go go

[Crazy Guggenheim]

114. 150 to 160 with Seven Repubs voting nay

[Daylin Byak]

118. we are leading now by 7

[Crazy Guggenheim]

121. 11 Nay.

[LSK]

122. 13 now - i think we are going to do it!!!

[LSK]

126. 14 now - it would be a tie

[Crazy Guggenheim]

125. 14 Repubs Nay!

[BrewerJohn]

111. When did CSPAN start doing commentary voice-over

during the voting interval? I smell something fishy. All these years I've been watching they've kept a decent silence during votes, or at least nothing but music.

[Daylin Byak]

116. Yeah why is that

During votes and other procedings in the house and senate they silence the volume.

Why is that?

[kainah]

127. they've actually been doing stuff during votes

ever since the repugs took control in 1995. The repugs changed the rules and let them do other stuff and they frequently show other stuff now during votes.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

123. It looks like it's going down! 183 - 193!

[Daylin Byak]

124. Come on guys

There gaining up on us, vote quicker.

[kainah]

131. don't expect it to end soon

Remember that they kept the Medicare Rx drug bill open for three hours! They started voting on it abt 4 AM ET and finally gaveled it closed abt 7 AM.

I was in a motel lying on the end of the bed watching that damn vote, fell asleep and woke up to Barney Frank screaming about what had just happened.

It could be a really long night, kids!

[kentuck]

128. I wouldn't speak so soon...

They can twist arms and change a few minds at the end, if necessary. I owuld have thought they would know the count before they had the vote?.

[LSK]

130. tom delay isnt leader anymore

He was the main blackmailer of the congressmen.

[kainah]

136. I think the young rabble rousers took over today

I am frankly stunned to see this bill on the floor tonight. I think the young wingers said they wanted to fight, after today's defeat, and that they pretty much forced the leadership to bring this up tonight. I seriously doubt the leadership knows how it's gonna come out.

FWIW, a tie vote loses.

[erinlough]

129. why put the 5 min up there if they don't follow it?

[ralps]

132. That announcer is dead wrong!! Gwen Moore of WI IS NOT A Republican

She's a Democratic Congressperson from Milwaukee WI. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

134. Tell 'em ralps!

[LSK]

133. come on, just 1 more republican!!!

What happens in a tie?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

135. That's what I was going to ask.

[alcibiades_mystery]

137. Who are the two non-voting Democrats?

WTF is up with that?

[kainah]

141. you won't know

because the HOuse never lets you see the voting board. You'll have to wait until the vote totals come out and then figure out who isn't included.

[kentuck]

Are they going to hold the vote open until they get the votes...?

Like they have done in the past? 15 minute vote?

[Hawkeye-X]

138. hey. where are the two missing dems?

They need to vote hell no now.

[kainah]

139. surprised no gavel now that it's

216-215 aye

[LSK]

140. he almost just did

Waiting....

[ralps]

145. Frell 2 Democratic Rep. didn't vote!!!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals::grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

142. The vote is 217-215

[LSK]

144. house.gov will tell us the roll call shortly

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/index.asp

[bvar22]

146. Another "Late Night Republican" obscinity.

Who are the two Democrats who sold out their country and their Party???!!!!

I WILL be sending donations to their opponents in the Primary!!!!

FUCK THEM!!!!

[kainah]

143. and Barton switches his no to aye at the end

and that's how the repugs run the House of Representatives..........

Tomorrow, tax cuts!

[kentuck]

149. Barton wanted to tell his voters he voted against it....

but with a tie vote, he decided to go with his Party. I hope the voters of Texas remember that next election. Joe Barton.

[kainah]

156. you mean....

he voted against it before he voted for it?

[Daylin Byak]

150. We should of had this

for many reasons

1.KEEP THE VOTE 15 the vote lasted 25 minutes

2.if all the dems would of voted and batron would of kept the nay vote we would of won by 1 vote.

[alcibiades_mystery]

153. Would HAVE, should HAVE

just sayin'

[Digit]

147. Who were the two DEMS who didn't vote? It would have tied it.

[tsuki]

148. Who were the two dems that didn't vote? I noticed that twice aye

votes were recorded then disappeared.

[kainah]

151. enjoyed spending the evening with all of you!!!!

Don't be downhearted.

Remember, Jack Murtha came out against the war today and the Repugs lost the Health & Education appropriations bill and 13 Repugs stood up against their leadership on the reconciliation act -- which only passed after they removed ANWR drilling.

It's a good day. Tomorrow the tax bill!

Night everyone! :boring:

[tsuki]

154. And thank you for starting the thread. We almost did it.

[erinlough]

155. Good night and thanks for the comments.