Malloy says we won't win anything for 12-18 years. Say it ain't so, or at

[funflower]

least explain to me why he thinks this is true. :scared:

[TahitiNut]

1. I agree with Malloy. I don't expect to be alive when democracy returns.

(Assuming it ever does.) The 'left' has been merely arguing about how hard to step on the brakes in this nation's headlong rush into deep fascism and global imperialism. There has not been a single step taken in the liberal direction whatsoever in the last 25 years! Absolutely EVERY act has been toward the right. Every one.

[pauldp]

2. Short answer.

Diebold ES&S and Sequoia. Secret Source Code and No Paper Trail.
Complicit Media and DINOs.

[bluestateguy]

3. Malloy is just a very negative person

I really don't take his rantings seriously anymore.

[Yollam]

19. Whatever. The state of affairs *IS* very negative.

He thinks we won't win for decades, because the elected dems are failing to give people reasons to vote for them (IE actually making UNIFIED STANDS against the GOP)

Short of a miracle, I'm afraid Malloy is right. The GOP have been brilliant over the last 20 years in buying up all the corporate media and using their DLC accomplices like Clinton, who passed the Telecommunications Act to do it. They have solid control of all branches of government, the media, and at the same time, thanks to their union-busting and apathy among limo-libs and libs who only care about abortion and civil rights issues, the one non-corporate source of funding for the dems - unions, is drying up. So the dems will be forced to go to the corps more and more, and become more and more whored-out just to stay in office. We are caught in a vicious spiral - Malloy has called it spot on.

[Appalachian_American]

4. If this is true, then it makes me want to pick a republican

to support on the side so that we don't end up with another incapable, undeserving ignoramus. No one like George Allen or Bill Frist.

I'd rather have someone like Chuck Hagel.

I'm not a freeper.

I apologize if this is disrespectful to Democrats.

[tech3149]

5. Mike doesn't have any faith in the corporate DLC democrats

Unless there is serious, widespread, grassroots that is out to inform the average voter, we won't have the strength to force the party back to it's roots. We can hope that this misadministration screws up drastically enough to turn more people against them, but we can't rely on winning by default. I'm not as pessemistic, but it could be possible.

[LiberalAndProud]

6. Mike is talking about the hard work ahead. It's a long hard battle.

And folks are going to have do dig in and do the work.

The RW has been founding groups, co-opting groups, and grooming candidates for many years. They talk from the pulpits, they recruit in the universities. In short, they organize.

We have some catching up to do.

[Lexingtonian]

7. That's paranoid and defeatist.

If people around here didn't vouch for him so much, I'd worry about him being on a Republican payroll.

[LittleClarkie]

8. Thank you for your support Mike

I'd rather hear from Randi on the issue. At least she's still a Democrat.

I wonder if Mike has managed to change his opinion of Kerry yet, or if he's still on automatic pilot on the subject of the good Senator. I've been annoyed at Mike since he was spouting misinformation that let me know he'd made his decision about the man, then stopped thinking.

It isn't good to form a position that you never revisit, or even look at that closely.

[incapsulated]

9. Thank you, Obi-wan

:eyes:

[MrSlayer]

10. I'm of the opinion that this midterm election is our very last chance.

If they can steal it again it's basically over, they will solidify power so strong that they can start amending the Constitution at will within 10 years. I doubt we'll ever get back in power if we can't win this one or prove it was stolen. We're going back to the year 1850.

[Arugula Latte]

18. We can prove they're stolen -- and then the American people yawn.

Happened in '04 and '00.

[quinnox]

11. Sounds like a clarion call to defeat

My explanation would be he is full of it, and that it is very hard to be Nostradamus, although that doesn't stop tons of folks from trying every day, even here on Du.

The gloom and doomers must love this guy Malloy, sounds like he is right up their alley.

[wookie294]

12. I think it's more like 5 to 10 years

in my humble opinion!

[left is right]

13. While I have worked, voted, and prayed for the opposite

I have felt the same thing since 2000. They stole that election; they, at the very least, monkeyed with 2002; and they barely hid the fact that they stole 2004. They are very good at this by now. Added to stolen elections are a complicit corporate media, an opposition party that refuses to stand up for what is just, and an apathetic citizenry and it becomes glaringly obvious that things won't turn around anytime soon. Dark days are ahead. And it won't get much better until "We the people" rise up and demand better.

[Moderate Donkey]

14. Malloy believes it to be so because - - -

- - He is an all knowing talking head who can't fathom victory unless he agrees with the method.

Didn't he declare he was no longer a Democrat? Yes. I believe he did.

[Skidmore]

15. After what I've seen of the response by Dems to the SOTU and

rolling over on Alito, I'll agree with Malloy. They've become the Waveless Wonders--you know, the "don't make waves" crowd.

[sendero]

16. Nah...

... I love Malloy and I forgive his pessimistic outburst. I've been guiltly of similar pronouncements myself.

That said, I disagree, and here is why. None of this - war, fascism, civil liberties, corruption, none of these things are going to unseat the Republicans. To beat them, we have to have a 10-15% lead, one that cannot be convincingly stolen.

To get that lead there will have to be a groundswell of discontent. And it's coming, that train is already rolling, it's called the economy stupid.

Our economy is teetering on the brink. It has been for fully 5 years. It was in danger when Bush** took office, but the problem is of his making now because he has had 5 years to do good things and he has done nothing but bad things.

It will not take 15 years for our economy to 'collapse' (and I'm leaving just what that means vague on purpose, because nobody really knows). The Fed has been printing money like newspapers for 5 years now and the consequences are beginning to build. A falling dollar and huge inflation are all but unavoidable, that is why gold and silver are going through the roof.

When this happens, there will be no way for the Repubs to spin this as the Dems' fault. And people are going to be angry, very, very angry. Too bad that we have to wait for the patient to almost die before we can begin treatment.

[Innocent Smith]

17. 6 years

12 to 18 years is way too pessimistic.

There is a good shot of shaking things up (winning) in 2012 because of redistricting. Because of the way the current congressional boundaries are drawn the current status quo is cooked in - within a margin of few fluid seats that could go either way. This is why winning state houses matters.

One part of the problem is the redrawing of lines in Texas a couple of years ago that swung many seats the Repubs way.

[Nikki Stone 1]

20. I disagree. The stage is being set, very slowly, for a Democrat comeback

I think the 2006 election is pivotal. If we play our cards right.