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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:00 PM
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Kentuckys Underground Economy...
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:10 PM
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1. D-9 is just a machine, machines malfunction.
Sometimes it takes some help. If I lived there, I'd assume they were trying to kill my family and act accordingly. Bulldozers don't have souls. Saint Peter won't divert anyone to hell for trying to protect their families and communities.

Sand in hydraulic pumps, lye in fuel, Shit happens.
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:45 PM
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8. Many have died
that we don't even know about, the good ol boys of Hazzard Co. take care of things but...
They shouldn't have to do it that way...
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scudrunner Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:14 PM
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2. "Oh! Daddy won't you take us to Mulenberg county,down by the..
Green River where Paradise lay?Well I'm sorry my son but your to late in asking Mr.Peabody's coal train done hauled it away." from John Denver song
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:17 PM
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3. John Prine song..
Paradise...
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scudrunner Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:23 PM
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5. thanks,all I knew was John Denver covered it on one of his albums
figures, sounds like John Prine.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:23 PM
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4. Here is one of my earlier related posts on DU..
The Different Colors of Green
July 9, 2002
By kentuck

When I return home to the mountains, I travel down Interstate 75 through the bluegrass and horse country of Kentucky. At Corbin, I turn off to old 25E, the Wilderness Road, and head towards Cumberland Gap. About 40 miles into the mountains, there is a two- lane highway about 5 miles from Pineville -- Highway 92. Driving past Magnet Hollow and East Jellico -- and another 5 miles down this winding road -- lies a deserted and unmarked dirt road that was once called Pine Ridge Camp.

There are no houses and no signs that would indicate that it was once a thriving mining camp. There are only trees and bushes and overgrowth where once several families lived and survived on the coal buried deep in the breasts of her mountains. There's a sense of sadness in pondering one's birthplace -- especially when there is nothing there to indicate a beginning. I fear that future generations will forget that little "camp" by the side of the road. Perhaps, they have already forgotten?

As I survey the mountains around Pine Ridge, I can still see the remnants of the dirt roads and mudslides from the mining of sixty years ago. I wonder to myself, "Was it worth it? What did we get for our mountains?" In all my travels, I have yet to see mountains as beautiful and endearing as the hills of home. It is sad to see the damage that has been done to these jewels.

However, as a son of a coal miner, I understand the necessity of those times. Many children would have gone hungry if those brave miners had not ventured down into those dark dungeons. With picks and shovels and carbide lamps, they marched each morning --as if by ritual-- into those dark holes in the mountainside. There was no machinery. There was no "strip-mining." If they were lucky, they could find a mule to help pull the coal cars out of the mine.

Sometimes, the miners would be paid with "real" money and sometimes they would be paid with "scrip." This "scrip" could be traded to the mine operator for groceries and other goods -- usually for flour, cornmeal, pinto beans, salt, and lard. Otherwise, it was worthless. This was before the mines were unionized or mechanized.

Nowadays, there are not as many miners in our hills. One machine can do the work of hundreds of men. They can cut away the entire mountaintop in a matter of days. But what do we gain? What price must we pay to see our only treasures stripped and carried away? What price can be put on our streams and rivers as they are polluted by the mud and residue that always end up at the lowest elevations of the valleys?

As I stand at Pine Ridge and look around at the dogwoods, redbuds, oaks, hickorys, maples, and poplars, I see a hundred shades of green. Each of these "greens" will turn another glorious color this fall. The only green missing is the color of money. Who amongst us can put a price on such a blessing?
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scudrunner Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:29 PM
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6. Kentuck---I enjoyed that post
My ancestors where with Boone in old time Kentucky
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 02:00 PM
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9. Good one! You know what I'm talk'n about...
Wednesday, November 9, 2005


The Editorial Notebook
... Mining 'is turning Eastern Kentucky into a despicable latrine'
By Barry Bingham Jr.
Special to The Courier-Journal



On Oct. 20 and 21, a group of writers visited Eastern Kentucky under the aegis of the Kentuckians for the Commonwealth. The goal of the trip was to expose us to a form of coal mining known as "mountaintop removal."

I have read about this technique in newspapers and magazine articles but had not seen it firsthand. My experience with strip mining dates back to the 1960s, '70s and '80s. The Courier-Journal won a Pulitzer Prize for public service for the publication of a special Sunday Magazine entitled "The Ravaged Land." It was wholly devoted to the problems caused by strip mining in the Eastern Kentucky mountains.

http://politicalswitchboard.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=4514
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:38 PM
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7. And for 25 points and controll of the board ......
.... name the man who fought in court to allow "mountain top removal coal mining," to
become the law of the land?

The new Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Roberts.

When I was a child, my family would travel,
To western Kentucky, where my parents were born.
And there's a backwards old town that's often remembered.
So many times that my memories are worn.

And Daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg county,
Down by the Green River, where Paradise lay.
"Well I'm sorry, my son, but you're too late in askin'."
"Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away."
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Acebass Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 02:05 PM
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10. It's that way because we let it...
I live in Louisville and have traveled to London, Hazzard, Burksville Ky...whats going on in that region is a crime LBJ saw it and we haven't done anything about it because it has largely been contained as a local issue...
My hope is that soemone will buy up the land donate it as a National Park and find another way to keep warm in the winter...
I think the trade off would be worth it..
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