Whats up with Bev Harris?

[AlecBGreen]

Recently someone posted a question "Who do you regret supporting?" or something like that. A LOT of people were ragging on Bev Harris and Black Box Voting. Whats up with that? What went down? Im not trying to muckrake or get a flame war going, I just though Black Box Voting was one of the good guys.

So...whats up?

[elehhhhna]

1. use "search" on her and read up.

[Totally Committed]

17. I agree...

I was not a member of DU when all this was going down, so I took some time to do just this. YIKES. Do yourself a favor and take elehhhhna's advice. This is a story that needs to be in every one of our consciousnesses. To be ignorant of the mistakes od the past opens us up to repeating them.

TC

[IdaBriggs]

2. Bev Harris is not a credible source. BBV is her own private bank account.

She plays people. She lies. She says whatever it takes to get people to give her money, and she defamed a voting rights advocate by firing him on a message board, followed up by doing everything in her power to prevent his getting life saving treatment for his pancreatic cancer (which killed him).

Oh, and as a side benefit, she helped hide evidence of criminal conduct by the voting companies in both California and Florida.

I'm sure someone else will post the appropriate historical links; apparently she doesn't believe people can read, or remember how to find information on the stuff she has pulled.

And personally, I think she has some kind of undiagnosed personality disorder, but that's just an informed unprofessional opinion. :)

[AlecBGreen]

3. are you talking about Andy?

the voting rights activist who recently passed away?

[KaryninMiami]

4. Her treatment of Andy is part of it- but there's more...

I will give her some credit for uncovering some major facts about the electronic machines and vote rigging- but she alienated herself from a lot of people who once supported her work because of how she treated them and because of her ego. It got really bad as soon as Randi Rhodes jumped on board and things just went to her head I guess. It got really ugly for many of us and it's a shame really, because it would be far more productive if we were all on the same team, since we are all working for the same cause...

[AlecBGreen]

5. thanks for the insight yall

DU is the best

[pnwmom]

9. How did she hide evidence of criminal wrongdoing by voting

companies? That's the first I've heard of that.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. You can read about the situation in Florida here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132

And some discussion of New Hampshire.

As to California, after Bev made a BIG issue accusing various activists on this board and academics across the country that they were secretly filing a qui tam law suit in order to financially benefit from the issue at the expense of the truth, it turns out the only person filing such a law suit was Bev, in California.

The evidence which gave Bev legal standing in California came from a fellow named Stephen Heller. Rather than keep the source confidential, Bev revealed his name to the SoS's office, the press, and later on to the police, This resulted in Heller being charged with three felonies.

As to the law suit, once filed, the state took it over, and settled with Diebold for $2.1 million rather than prosecute Diebold. Bev, her Right-wing gun nut partner Jim March, and her attorney walked away with about $75K a piece.

The law suits was declared settled "with prejudice" meaning none of the evidence can ever be used against Diebold in the future, and Heller is facing jail, yet Diebold is still in California, virtually unpunished.

[Steve A Play]

55. LOL! Well I know you've seen this before

You can read about the situation in Florida here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x74010

And here:

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=337

12/9/2004

THE BATTLE RAGES ON

BUSTED? Pynchon thinks there's something rotten in Volusia

By Jeffrey C. Billman

"One minute I feel like Erin Brockovich, the next I feel like the Keystone Kops."

Susan Pynchon is standing in the parking lot of the Lake Mary Kinko's, peering over the mess of files and cardboard boxes in the back of her tan Toyota SUV, which features an anti-Bush sticker on the window. For those still clinging to the belief that the election was rigged, Pynchon – a former volunteer for the county's Democratic Party and founder of the newly formed Florida Fair Elections Coalition – is your point woman. On Nov. 23, she sued to overturn election results in Volusia County. A few days later she was in a DeLand courtroom fighting the county's motion to dismiss her suit.

According to Pynchon's suit, 59 of Volusia's precincts – nearly one-third of them – are missing the printouts that the optical-scan voting machines produce to ensure accuracy. All those precincts, Pynchon says, are missing either the results tape, the "zero tape" – at the beginning of Election Day, poll workers print a tape that should register all candidates at zero votes to make sure no one got a head start – or the required poll workers' signatures on one of the above forms. Volusia County election officials deny that the records are missing.

And then there's the e-mail from Diebold Election Systems to a Volusia County analyst that Black Box Voting founder Bev Harris says she found in the trash outside the Volusia County Supervisor of Elections warehouse. The e-mail states that Volusia had more trouble with its memory cards – which record the vote numbers as the ballots are fed into the machines – than the rest of Florida combined, with at least 25 memory card failures. (Black Box, a Seattle-based anti-electronic voting organization, is seeking Volusia's records along with Pynchon.)

<more>

Note the date, 12/9/2004, just one week after the election and before the documents were even provided. Bev and BBV.org were already working with Susan and the Florida activists to get the documents so they could be used as evidence in a court of law. That's where evidence of wrongdoing belongs, not on the Keith Olbermann show. Yet you still stick to the claim that she "hid" it. LOL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423451#423973

steveheller (2 posts) Mon Apr-17-06 04:09 PM

Response to Reply #37

52. I am Steve Heller

This is Steve Heller. I received a phone call about this discussion thread so I came to read it. I am under felony indictment, so I am not able to comment in any way about my case. Nor will I be responding to other posts on this thread or to anyone who contacts me; this will be my only post.

Regarding Bev Harris - My experience with her has lead me to believe she is a person of integrity. She has never done anything to cause me any harm. Those who insist she has done something to harm me or my legal defense don't know what they are talking about.

Someday, when I am no longer in legal jeopardy and I am free to talk about the case, I will do so, and many of the people who have posted about my case or Bev Harris' role therein will learn they were wrong.

Steve Heller

I think this was posted here as well.

April 21, 2006

WHISTLE-BLOWER PROTECTION DEPENDS ON WHO HEARS WHISTLE

By Tamadhur Al-Aqeel

Daily Journal Staff Writer

<snip>

When the Diebold memos were made public, Jones Day launched an internal investigation of the firm's word processing department to find the person responsible for leaking sensitive internal documents. A trail of computer access codes, building pass keys, and the word processing department's own computer serial number tracking system led them to Heller. In a detailed letter to Los Angles police detectives Juan Martinez and Brian Collins, Jones Day partner Brian O'Neill outlined the firm's investigative methods and findings. "During our meeting you raised a question of whether copying documents from a computer system such as the Jones Day system would comprise a violation of (the state Penal Code). Clearly such conduct would violate the statue," O'Neill wrote.

"What we've done here is how you would expect a victim of a crime would react," said Jones Day attorney John Majoras, who brought client Diebold to the firm.

Gibbons said Heller is a thief. To qualify as a whistle- blower, Heller would have had to give the documents to the Los Angeles Police Department or some other government agency, she said.

"But it doesn't make any difference," Gibbons said. "He's not charged with what he did with the documents. He's charged with taking them."

That article says that it was the Jones-Day lawfirm that "outed" him. It also says that his defense is that he's a "whistle blower" who provided evedence of wrongdoing in order to expose it.

I'll leave it to others to figure out why BBV.org might want to confirm that he provided the documents that were used as evidence in the California 'qui-tam' suit.

One last thing, copies of the documents were provided to the SOS's office and the States Attorneys office and they both declined to do anything about it. The qui-tam suit was the only way a citizen can compel action in court under the circumstances. Note that it was Lockyer who decided to let Diebold slide and settled the suit against their will. Fortunately the settlement money is there to provide for Stephen Hellers defense. I think it's kind of poetic justice that Diebold's own money is paying for it! :rofl:

[kestrel91316]

34. NPR had an interview with Bev a couple of days ago and she

sounded perfectly rational and normal to me. I didn't pay very close attention to the content of the interview - I was busy at work. But she wasn't ranting or anything............

[Kelvin Mace]

38. She can sound perfectly rational and normal

Then she can scream, swear and make threats.

The performance you get depends on whether you cross her or not.

[Steve A Play]

66. I guess it all depends on who she has to deal with

I've been working with her for three years now and I've disagreed with her many times over those years, but I have only heard her raise her voice once. :shrug:

It was in Sacramento in the Secretary of State's board room when the sob's tried to cancel our hack demo because we were videotaping it and our lawyer was present but theirs wasn't. They told us we couldn't tape the demo or even take notes during the meeting claiming it wasn't a public meeting. They had previously denied allowing her to show them the demo at a public hearing before the now defunct VSPP. (Voting Systems and Procedures Panel} They requested that she come back and do it in a more formal setting. They then made sure there weren't enough members of the panel there for it to legally qualify as a "public meeting". :grr:

She wasn't 'out of control' or anything, rather, she took control of the situation and forcefully told them that it was unacceptable. She reminded them that they had made her crew drive all the way down from Washington State and had Hugh Thompson and company fly in from Florida at their own 'special request' and they had better get their attorney there NOW!

It took over an hour but they got him there. :)

That was the demo that convinced Kevin Shelley to de-certify the Diebold TSx machines here in California. :toast:

[yowzayowzayowza]

69. Many former "true believers"...

...'round here needn't guess. Two bannings worth of her aggrandizing, paranoia, ignorance & 'tude was more than enuf.

You should keep on blowing that industrial strength sunshine, tho. Yer good at it. Unfortunately there tain't many clueless anuses in these parts.

[Steve A Play]

70. "industrial strength sunshine"? LOL!

Unfortunately there tain't many clueless anuses in these parts.

I don't know if I'd call anyone here an "anus", but we'll just have to agree to disagree on the clueless part. :toast:

[Liberal Dose]

6. I had the same question and got completely filled in by clicking this link

Personally, I thought it was strange that Bev would fight with KO, but he certainly wouldn't lie about it. Then I got extremely upset with her after I had answered the call to donate towards "The largest FOIA request in history" and have yet to see results. Numerous requests have been ignored. Anyway, I found this useful for filling in the blanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=340188&mesg_id=340188&page=

:hi:

[tavalon]

7. Yeah

I consider the money I donated to her and the advertising on her behalf to be a waste.

[anoraksia53]

8. you advertised on her behalf?

how did that happen? what was she advertising? how much money did you spend on this?

[tavalon]

10. I was living in Seattle at the time

It was guerilla advertising, something that is fairly common in Seattle. There is a sculpture in Fremont called, "Waiting for the Interurban" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/neighbors/fremont/scene2.html. Pretty much, every week, someone decorates the sculpture, sometimes to celebrate a birthday or some other event but sometimes for political reasons. I created a very elaborate decoration that included her website to advertise the dangers of black box voting. Me and a fellow DUer put it up overnight and I even got to talk to a busload of Ride the Duck tourists about it as I was out in the afternoon sprucing it up.

It wasn't that much money and I still believe in the cause, I just don't believe that Bev Harris is really on our side. I think she's on Bev Harris's side and nothing else. I don't believe she personally killed Andy but I don't think they way she treated him was in any way human and I think that stems from my previous sentence. Bev is very self centered. If she helps our cause at all, it is by accident while in the service of Bev.

[anoraksia53]

26. Cool that you did the decorated sculpture

It doesn't sound like you had any agreement to do advertising for BBV, though.......It sounds like you just mentioned the website along with whatever other info you were passing on like any good activist would do. That's not what I call doing advertising for somebody but hey its good to tell people where they can get good info or else how will people learn about this mess our democracy is in?

Whose side are you on if you're not on the same side as Bev Harris??? I guess this means your happy with hackable voting machines and you don't want anybody to inspect them and you don't want anybody to do FOIA or PRR requests and you don't want anybody to turn over evidence of fraud to law enforcement or citizen groups and you don't want anybody to offer free help to people who want advice dealing with their own local voting machine catastrophe and you don't want any stories about hackable voting machines in the MSM.......Right.......And this is the person you say is self centered and if she helps our cause it'll just be by accident???

[tavalon]

27. I advertised her website

That is what I regret. People need to know about the problems with black box voting, Diebold, EE&S, Sequoia, etc. but Bev Harris has turned out to either be someone who is in it for the wrong reasons (i.e. to line her pockets) or she is mentally ill or she is evil. I don't think she's evil and I don't care to speculate much on either of the other ones.

Interesting that you took my post as saying that I'm happy with hackable voting machines and so on..... Your reading comprehension must be off or I explained myself poorly. Either way, that last paragraph of yours is laughable.

[anoraksia53]

35. you were the one who

put things as a question of whose side are you on........Ok....I'm sure you really do care about election reform, I was showing the absurdity of the 'us vs Bev Harris' position. No offence intended.

Wrt your speculation about Bev Harris you've been led astray by a disinformation campaign. I don't blame you for that since its been so well organized. You need to keep your eyes open, some of this is getting exposed on ER threads now.......there are facts coming out now that were not common knowledge for example the real circumstances of how and when 'Kelvin' got the Diebold code from Bev and more. Kelvin and others have been lying through their teeth for too long about a whole list of things having to do with Bev and BBV and its time for that to change........They didn't think that someone else had documentation to prove they were wrong.....It's long overdue.

[Kelvin Mace]

39. There is no "disinformation" campaign

execpt for the one you are running contantly trying to discredit the truth.

I have reprovided links to numerous documents about, including The Nation magazine about how the Diebold documents came into play.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%20Mace/11

All this person has done is repeat Bev's lies over and over again.

Bev is now shrieking about "Unnamed" people running smear campaign.

I sign my name to my posts. My real name has be known on this board for almost four years.

Bev is the one who uses people who hide behind fake names and post crap like this.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

[BeachBuckeye]

43. How about Andy?

Was HE lying about Bev? He is gone and cannot defend himself but I will tell you that Andy was a straight shooter and he showed enough credible evidence to completely discredit her.

[Kelvin Mace]

49. Again, please notice

that Bev is now talking about people hiding behind fake names. And yet, I am subject to smears and insinuations from folks who won't sign their real name, doing Bev's dirty work

It's all about projection. Want to know what Bev is up to? Just looke at what she and her minions are accusing others of doing.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

[Steve A Play]

60. Was he telling the truth about Mike Vreeland

getting in touch with him to help thwart a terrorist nuclear attack just weeks before the 2004 election?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=924780#924878

Was he right about Jeff Gannon actually being little Johnny Gosch? Was it OK for him to drag that kids mother on national TV to demand a DNA test from Gannon based on his "evidence".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3450057

What exactly do you consider "credible evidence"?

Andy was exploited by people who knew he was too trusting. I tried to warn him. Bev tried to warn him. The entire Board of Directors tried to warn him. We knew that it wasn't good to have him tied to "conspiracy theories" right before a national election while he was a paid investigator for BBV.org. At that time, the voting machine vendors were repeating the meme in the press that we were all "conspiracy theorists". The more we begged him to ignore those people and focus on his job, the more belligerent he became. Under those circumstances what do you think the board should have done?

Apparently we weren't the only ones who saw that tendency in him.

http://www.peopleforchange.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t19257.html

RoxanneJ
12/23/04 - 08:59 PM
I'm getting a lot of emails from friends and supporters about Andy's posts at DU. Since I'm still very conflicted about what I'm reading, I'll just repeat an email I sent earlier this week to an intermediary who contacted me on Andy's behalf:

>Subject: Andy would like to talk with you
>> If Andy needs evidence or testimony from me to assist in suing Bev
>> Harris, I'll be happy to speak with him and assist. But if he just
>> wants to spend time commiserating about what a strong woman she is, I don't
>> have the time nor the inclination.
>
> I think it is a bit of both. He feels he owes you an apology and he wants to trade information.
> He certainly has useful intelligence.
>
Well, xxxxxx, I'm not sure what to say. I have very mixed feelings about Andy and don't think I'm ready to be magnanimous toward him. He supported Bev Harris while he watched what she did to both you and I, along with countless others. I don't think I can forgive that behavior because I think he'd still be doing it if she hadn't fired him.

Secondly, as far as "trading information," I have nothing I would share with him because I don't believe he can be trusted. He's done everything to earn my mistrust and nothing to earn my confidence.

I'll repeat, if he wants "Bev evidence" I might have or assistance, I'll gladly share. But I'm not ready to assume the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I feel sympathetic that he became a "Bev victim" at a very painful time in his life (the loss of his sister), but that doesn't mean I trust him in any way, nor consider him a friend. His actions have proven the opposite. I'm not ready to forgive and forget. I can forget his actions with a heartfelt apology, but I doubt I will ever be able to forgive them.

Feel free to share this email with him, after you remove my email address.

Roxanne

RoxanneJ
12/23/04 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE(xxxxxxxxxxxx @ 12/23/04 - 11:15 PM)
Well, to be frank, he's seemed a little unstable to me all along... From that SoS thing on... Seems a little immature or something... I'm open to changing my mind though (and I have to confess I'm glad he's spilling the beans).

Andy has always been very gullible.

I've interacted with him online for several years now, and he's always been one to buy tinfoil pretty fast. He has faith in Mike Ruppert/Wayne Madsen/Mike Vreeland and doesn't seem to be able to separate the credible/not credible from them.

I honestly believe he's a good guy, just very gullible. I won't concemn him for wanting to believe the best about people. After all, I fell for Bev Harris' bullshit before Andy did. Not acknowledging that would make me a hypocrit.

There are two sides to every story. Usually the truth lies somewhere in between.

Andy was a good person and he was my friend. He was exploited by people with their own agenda. Kind of like some people who bring his name up now just to attempt to discredit our work.

[Kelvin Mace]

78. Please remind Bev that I still have LOTS

of email I can post.

Usually the truth lies somewhere in between.

Not in Bev's world. She IS the truth. I haven;t seen many posts were she admits errors. I see lots were she blames other folks, projecting her behaviour onto them.

[0007]

18. A complete waste.

[Steve A Play]

64. "I ...have yet to see results" " "Numerous requests have been ignored."

What exactly did you "request" and who did you "request" it from? :shrug:

Did you try asking in the 1 on 1 Forum on our site?

We've amassed thousands upon thousands of documents and we receive more every day. We can't post them all because it would take all of our time and resources to do so. We try to post the most sought after ones and post many others by request.

If you want to see what just one of the over three thousand sets that were requested looks like to get an idea of the scope of what you're talking about, here's the links to the now 'infamous' Volusia County documents that were turned over to Susan Pynchon and her attorney for their suit. We have given documents to every group or organization that has demonstrated a need for them and simply asked via mail or our web site. Please feel free to browse around our Document Archive and use whatever you can find. That's what it's there for. :)

Black Box Voting » Document Archive » Election Records » Florida » Volusia County >>

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/15675.html?1140792920

Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 05:04 pm:

When we went to Volusia County (FL), we soon knew something was very wrong. Then-Supervisor of Elections Deanie Lowe turned us down flat when we walked in on Nov. 12, 2004 to pick up our public records request.

Bev called her later that day, and told her: Either you come up with the records or we'll have to do a request under Florida sunshine laws to examine all your ballots.

"Please don't do that," she pleaded, twice.

When someone doesn't want us to see something, it provokes a greater desire to see it. We walked in to the Volusia County Elections office a few days later to pick up the records, and we met a very different Deanie Lowe.

She was so sweet! She handed us our public records request with a lovely smile. "This is going to be smooth sailing," we thought.

But wait. The "poll tapes" -- the results reports that are printed out of the voting machines -- were on cash receipt-like strips printed in the original blue ink. Minty fresh, just for us, and dated Nov. 15, 2004 -- nearly two weeks after the election.

When we asked for copies of the original poll tapes, Deanie told us they were in the warehouse. To this, an employee named Lana Hires came rushing out, gesturing "NO!"

It was late in the day. "Is the warehouse still open?" we asked. With Lana vigorously shaking her head, Deanie told us it would be closed and to come back to the elections office in the morning.

Kathleen Wynne and Bev Harris decided to show up at the warehouse instead of the elections office, and decided to show up at 8 a.m. instead of the 9 a.m. elections office appointment that was suggested.

The warehouse was nowhere to be found, in Google, on Mapquest, or through advice from any county employee, so we called the Volusia County Fire Department and got directions. It was not welcoming -- behind a chain link fence, in back of a police evidence building, in an unmarked metal building near the woods and a swamp. We walked in, surprising a handful of people (including Lana) who were sitting at a table with poll tapes and pens spread out in front of them. We offered to help ( ) but they pushed us out the door.

On the loading dock outside the door was a black garbage bag, and in it were items that looked like ballots and poll tapes. Our curiosity was not appreciated, and soon "Pete" was yelling "Call Lana! Call the sheriff's department!" (See video of the brief wrestling match over the warehouse garbage: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/volusia2.mpg)

The sheriff soon arrived, along with Volusia County elections worker Denise Hansen. Bev had filled out a formal public records request for the contents of the garbage. Apparently the sheriff had never come across such a situation before and after a lengthy and perplexed consideration, he let us go. (Kathleen's video camera may have helped everyone behave.)

Next, the poll tapes followed us to the elections office and we began to inventory them. Volusia officials demanded that we give back the Nov. 15 poll tapes, but we refused. After all, we'd paid good money for them. We started comparing them with the newly provided "Nov. 2" poll tapes.

While we were taking inventory a woman took a tub of what looked like -- well, poll tapes and things -- out of Lana's office. The woman trundled out the back door and threw the records in the dumpster. The records soon came back in the front door, as Volusia County's Susan Pynchon (who now heads the Florida Fair Elections Coalition) and Broward County activist Ellen Brodsky retrieved them. The dumpster and the garbage bag from the warehouse contained a handful of poll tapes and several reports, such as a report on how many memory cards were created. The warehouse garbage also contained sample ballots, ballot masters, and blank homemade ballots.

Volusia County provided over 150 poll tapes. We'll be posting them during the next few days along with other records. The most interesting ones are in the 600 precinct series.

Altogether we got over 150 poll tapes from our public records request and out of the garbage, along with some of the other documents. These led us to the Harri Hursti study. We could not figure out what people were doing with memory cards (too many extras) and poll tapes (sprinkled with small anomalies) in a small county that reminds us of Mayberry RFD. We just had to know.

More on this story will follow. Note that the signs of memory card tampering (which won't show up at all unless it is done clumsily) are tiny anomalies in the poll tape. An extra space. A line of text that doesn't belong. Tampering with the counters too hurriedly can cause you to omit a character, which produces a "memory card error" message on the very top line. Other slight errors in tampering can produce a "syntax error" message in the middle of the tape. Any oddity on the poll tape, like a typo or a minor vote discrepancy, may indicate tampering.

The early poll tapes are pretty clean. By the time you get to #215, you'll be intrigued. By the time you get through the 600 series, we believe you'll join us in wondering:

What went on in Volusia County in November 2004???

Here are the poll tapes:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct101-polltape.pdf (missing zero report)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct105-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct106-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct107-polltape.pdf (missing zero report)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct109-polltape.pdf (missing zero report)

http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct201a-polltape.pdf (what happened to first memory card?)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct202a-polltape.pdf (what happened to first memory card?)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct203b-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct204a-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct205c-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct206a-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct207a-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct208a-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct209-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct212-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct213-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct214-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)

http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct215-polltape.pdf (Multiple anomalies including mismatched vote counts)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct216-polltape.pdf (missing zero report)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct217-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct218-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct219-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct220-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct221-polltape.pdf (The "Zero Report" line appears three times, in a pattern that is not readily explainable by turning the machine off and on or starting the report over. It also appears that this machine skipped its L&A test)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct222-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct223-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct224-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct301-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct302-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct303-polltape.pdf Another copy of poll tape 303 was found in the Volusia County Elections office trash. "Long report" was found in trash, "short report" provided as official report. Then-elections supervisor Deanie Lowe told the Orlando Sentinel that procedures in Volusia County allow throwing away the long report audit tapes. If so, it's a peculiar procedure, especially since the contest period had not yet expired.
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct304-polltape.pdf (white rectangle in zero tape; public defender's race doesn't appear on zero tape)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct305-polltape.pdf (A documented case of time travel? Reported date on voting machine is about 18,000 years in the future.) Another copy of this tape was found in the Volusia County Elections Office trash. Trash copy was long report, official copy was short report. Both long and short report had the bizarre date, indicating that the problem was most likely from the machine's clock -- from tampering with the clock, or an unusual Y2k-type error, or a malfunction. The explanation for this is probably not memory card misprogramming, but rather a situation in the voting machine itself.
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct306-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct307-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct308-polltape.pdf (no signatures on results tape; L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct309-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct310-polltape.pdf (What happened to second memory card?) Another copy of this was found in the Volusia County Elections Office trash. Both the trash copy and the "official" copy were of the original memory card. Trash copy was long report, official copy was short report.
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct311-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct401-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct402-polltape.pdf - (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct403-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct404-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct405-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct406-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct407-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct408-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct409-polltape.pdf (2 memory cards, L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct410-polltape.pdf (missing Zero Report)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct411-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct412-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct413-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct414-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct415-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct416-polltape.pdf (slight anomaly, 2 "election zero rept." lines)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct417-polltape.pdf (doozy of a time error on results report. At first glance, seems minor. Poll workers noticed it, signed off on it, thinking the clock stamp on the results report was about an hour off. However, the clock was actually nearly 13 hours off. In fact, it had not advanced even one second during the entire day while the voting machine was counting ballots. This gets into a tech discussion of CPUs and clocks, but the simplest explanation on this one appears to be: Tampering.)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct418-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct419-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct420-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct421-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct422-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct423-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct424-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct425-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct426-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct427-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct428-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct429-polltape.pdf - black ink on normally blue-ink poll tape
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct501-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct502-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct503-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct504-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct505-polltape.pdf (2 memory cards, L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct506-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct508-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct509-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct510-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct511-polltape.pdf "memory card error"
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct512-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct513-polltape.pdf missing zero Report, 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct514-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct515-polltape.pdf missing zero report, 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct516-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct517-polltape.pdf no l&a, time discrepancy
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct519-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct521-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)A
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct522-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct523-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct524-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct526-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct527-polltape.pdf Race # 60 recorded "zero" votes for both ballot choices (all other races did record votes)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct528-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct529-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct530-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct531-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine), 2 memory cards
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct533-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards, no signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct534-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct602-polltape.pdf missing zero tapes
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct603-polltape.pdf missing zero tapes, no 11/15 report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct605-polltape.pdf missing zero report, no signatures on results
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct607-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, no zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct608-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, no zero report, no signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct609-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct614-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards, missing zero report, missing signatures, missing the 11/15 report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct615-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report, missing signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct617-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing results tape
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct618-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report, missing signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct619-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct620-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct621-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct622-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct623-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct624-polltape.pdf missing zero report, 2 results tapes, incorrect date (00/00/00), uploaded 4 hours late, has a 1-vote discrepancy
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct625-polltape.pdf - missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct626-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct628-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct629-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct632-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct633-polltape.pdf missing results report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct636-polltape.pdf missing page on zero report (page contains the sigs), results report is missing the signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct637-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct638-polltape.pdf missing zero report, missing results report -- no reports at all from 11/2
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct639polltape.pdf missing zero report, missing results report -- no reports at all from 11/2
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct640-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct641-polltape.pdf missing zero report, no 11/15 report given
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct701-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct702-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct703-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct704-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct705-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct706-polltape.pdf missing zero report, missing signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct709-polltape.pdf missing zero report, results uploaded hours late, 1-vote discrepancy on results
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct711-polltape.pdf missing zero report, not uploaded until after midnight
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct712-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct714-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct716-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, 3 memory cards were made, zero report wasn't run until 11 p.m. on election night, results were not printed until around midnight election night
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct717-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct718-polltape.pdf results were uploaded before results report printed
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct719-polltape.pdf (L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct720-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct722-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct723-polltape.pdf 1-vote discrepancy in results, uploaded hours late, missing in results provided on 11/15
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct724-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct725-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct726-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct727-polltape.pdf "memory card error" message, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct728-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct729-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct730-polltape.pdf ("memory card error" message, L&A test appears to have been skipped on this machine)
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct731-polltape.pdf 3 memory cards created for this precinct, "memory card error" report, one zero report run on 2nd card Oct 24, other zero report run on Nov. 2 from 3rd card
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct732-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct733-polltape.pdf - missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct801-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct803-polltape.pdf "paper jam," missing the time stamp
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct804-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct805-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct806-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct807-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct808-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct809-polltape.pdf black line on top of 0 rept
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct810-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct811-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct812-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct813-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct814-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct815-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct816-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct901-polltape.pdf missing zero report, missing signatures
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct902-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct903-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct904-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct905-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct906-polltape.pdf 2 memory cards created for this precinct, missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct907-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct908-polltape.pdf missing zero report
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct909-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct910-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct912-polltape.pdf
http://www.bbvdocs.org/FL/volusia/Volusia-pct913-polltape.pdf missing zero report, missing signatures

[anoraksia53]

74. yet to see the results?

Well just get your ass over to the www.blackboxvoting.org forum and check out the Document Archive. All the records request responses are there, Diebold memos, audit tapes, Diebold programmers' prison records...........

Just how many hundreds of thousands of documents do you have time to look through? They are all there. No one can help ya if you don't bother looking.

You can lead a horse to water etc. etc..............

[Steve A Play]

75. Be careful how you phrase things around here,

It's like a 'Twister Tournament'. :crazy:

All of those documents are available through the www.blackboxvoting.org web site, but not all are published on the web site. Only the most sought after ones that are not in use somewhere have been posted. :)

I just wanted to be clear on that point. If any Election Reform group or organization has a legitimate need for specific document sets to move the ball forward, we'll go out of our way to provide them with whatever we've got. We always have! :hi:

We just don't have the time or the resources to waste simply to satisfy peoples curiosity. We also have lots more work to do.

[anoraksia53]

76. right-o

Who knows how many docs are altogether......

Lots of people turn up at BBV's Consultation forum to ask about documents if they haven't found what they're lookin for in the Document Archive. And for other things too like plain old practical advice.....Have you noticed how busy that area is ever since it got started???

Some of the Bev-Bashers are such know-it-alls they never bother to figure out what they don't know but they shoot their mouths off all the same.

[Steve A Play]

86. The sad part is that many of the people who are activists here

have their message lost in the noise created by just a few posters with a mission to discredit anything released by BBV.org. We release a report that sends academics and officials across the country scrambling to figure out what to do, and some here pretend that it's nothing new.

Try to have a rational conversation as to the ramifications of this report and it will quickly be disrupted. Point out the dozens of stories in 100's of markets seen by millions of people and hear all about how Bev alienated the "Main Stream Media" who "won't touch this issue".

Several people who are active in various election reform groups across the country, and have worked directly with BBV.org, have signed up here only to be viciously attacked for daring to disagree over the worth of our organization to their local efforts.

Susan Pynchon could sign up here under a screen name and say she thinks BBV.org really helped them in Florida. She would be quickly shouted down and told that Bev "has never done anything" and "she hid the evidence of what happened in Florida". :crazy:

Stephen Heller signed up here and was told that he "may or may not be him". :eyes: He even graciously offered a way to verify that it was him and was refused. He was told he was wrong about his own legal situation! Heller is a freakin' HERO for what he did, and he knows the truth of his own situation, yet here he's treated rudely and told he's wrong!

What kind of impression of this site do you think his visit here gave him? :shrug:

[anoraksia53]

89. well I could always

see what a small circle of jerks was trying to do but its still not very clear what their reasons are.

Dya know I sat back and would watch the flame wars at DU and you could see the unsupported allegations about Bev Harris being repeated and circling round. Then I'd go to the BBV site and see their own explanations. BBV had documentation and always maintained a dignified approach they could have been a lot nastier but they just kept bringing their focus back to investigating elections and not going after the troublemakers........It was easy to see where to find truth and integrity and sorry to say it wasn't at DU, at least not in the election reform area.

What does Stephen Heller think about DU and its smear campaign against BBV? It would probably be mighty embarrassing for DU if we could read his mind.........It was shocking how they treated Stephen Heller here when he signed on.......they couldn't be bothered to check it out and confirm that it really was him.......

[snowbear]

11. From what I've read on RELIABLE sources.......

And there are plenty out there, EVERYTHING you read that is negative regarding Bev Harris --- EVERYTHING ---- was planted by wingnuts who cannot stand the investigations she has going on from one end of the nation to the other.

She'll be up here in Anchorage helping the DNC with their Diebold lawsuit soon.

There are all kinds of articles out there that tell you WHY the rightwings decided to bash Bev, as well as what type of people actually believe the lies.

She believes in what she's doing and she's making a difference.

You can also go to the blackboxvoting website at ANY time and talk to her yourself. She'll be more than happy to e-mail, or phone you.

Be careful what you believe on the big wide world of the internet. To the right, Bev Harris is right up there with Michael Moore, George Clooney, the Dixie Chicks... you get the picture.

[snowbear]

12. Welp, I'll be printing out your complaints to show her when she's up here

Busting her ass on our case..

Should be interesting to see how she responds to the allegations, since I already know how many Freepnoids have started the phony Andy writings under Bev's good name.

Should be interesting.

I'll let you know what she says. Some of you are too much.

Meanwhile, the freaknoids laugh at their planting success.

[BEZERKO]

13. Interesting reading!

I'll have to ask my friend, who knows more about these things than I do. My wife, Rubyduby said something once about how she'd been discredited, but I'll look into it. Interesting subject!

[tkmorris]

16. Phony Andy writings?

Are you implying that Andy was a Freeper? I'm sorry, I can't make out your meaning.

[LittleClarkie]

71. There is someone in Freeperville using Bev Harris as a login name

Larissa would seem to be saying that this is the work of Freepers.

If not, then Bev was over there feeding into the "Andy's not really sick" meme. But if it was freepers, it was one more dirty trick to Andy added to the pile.

As for me, there are those who knew Andy who aren't too fond of Bev because at the least there was supposed to be health insurance that didn't materialize.

I don't know alot about her and her work. All I know is that what I've seen of her around here was sadly Nixonian and somewhat childish. I don't know if she's doing good work or not in the electronic voting front. Maybe she is, but she takes time out to be petty and paraniod a bit too often for my tastes.

[Kelvin Mace]

82. No, it was her

The cadence and tone of the posts are her. Also, she started admonishing people not to be mean tro Freepers.

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/bushbought.htm

[Steve A Play]

88. WOW! What a B*TCH!

Asking people posting on a "non partisan" organization's official web site not to bash people from the other party is just f*cking criminal! She's clearly insane! :crazy:

You forgot to mention that little detail about where she asked people not to launch partisan attacks. It really is important to understand why it was said. :}

[LoZoccolo]

72. The very fact that you threaten us with her reaction...

...should tell us all something about her reactions.

[tkmorris]

15. Randi Rhodes is not a Wingnut

Nor is Keith Olberman. Andy wasn't a wingnut either and for that matter neither am I. Bev is a phony.

And you know what? I find it arrogant of you in the extreme to presume that we don't know what we are talking about. We do, believe me. I volunteered time and effort to BBV a long time ago, when Bev first showed up here at DU hawking her book and looking for support. She got it and in spades. No one turned on her because "they read something on the internet". We turned on her because time after time after time, when it really mattered, Bev Harris was completely full of undiluted horseshit.

Read up on her here. Dig through the archives. You'll see.

[salin]

36. Ironic charges,

especially given Bev's one pr past - which includes hawking "Clinton Cigars" on the old usenet. :shrug:

[Steve A Play]

42. Sometimes selling a cigar is just selling a cigar

What is it about some here and their fixation on selling cigars? :shrug:

If the deep seated root of your hatred for this woman is tied to the act of simply selling cigars, one can only wonder how much hatred and rage you harbor for David Letterman or the cast of Saturday Night Live. How would Sigmund interpret this?

Maybe I can help you. Perhaps you should lie down und tell me about your relationship with your mother. Haff you called her today to tell her you luff her? :)

[Kelvin Mace]

47. This is like asking a DUer

"What is your fixation about Bush lying about Iraq?"

[salin]

50. now that is an interesting nonsequitor line of attack.

:shrug:

[Steve A Play]

67. Yeah, kind of like that cigar thing

:shrug: What exactly do people here believe that proves anyway?

So Bev's PR firm Talion fronted for a company selling Clinton novelty cigars. And that proves what in your mind? I'm really interested in knowing. A lot of people seem to mention it.

Personally I wouldn't mind owning one of them because they're sure to become a collectors item to collectors of Presidential memorabilia. I also think it's funny in the same sense that I think it's funny when Letterman or the cast of SNL have made fun of Clinton over the years. I don't immediately suspect them of being closet conservatives for making jokes about Clinton not kpip. I could also care less what he did and who he did it with as long as it was consensual, that's his karma to deal with. But did he have to get caught at it? Sheesh Bill, get a room! :)

[Kelvin Mace]

83. We heard that lame explanation

before. It didn't fly.

[Kelvin Mace]

41. I find it interesting that the poster has "reliable sources",

but they don't let anyone in on this font of truth.

[LoZoccolo]

19. Neither is Keith Olbermann a wingnut.

Nor Andy Stephenson.
Nor the guy who runs blackboxvoting.com

Nor I for that matter.

Bev Harris, on the other hand, is a FReeper (with an account on FreeRepublic.com) and sold Bill Clinton cigars.

[LoZoccolo]

21. Helping the DNC?

She accused the Democrats of obstructing her investigations because she was finding out too much about them! She implied they were committing voter fraud as well!

And why would we promote other organizations working on this issue like verifiedvoting.org if we wanted to stop work on this? Your accusations make no sense.

[Steve A Play]

51. You don't accept the FACT that democrats also commit fraud?

Do you have any idea who Cathy Cox is? What about Thomas Ashley, the Madison County Democratic Party chairman? I could post dozens of other links to democrats who've committed election fraud but what's the point. You simply don't believe it happens. :(

Well we at BBV.org know it happens and when we find evidence that fraud has taken place in an election we do something about it, regardless of who committed it, like it or not.

I want my party to be fraud free. It's kind of hard to stop the other guys from doing it if your doing it yourself. :)

[Capn Sunshine]

52. That's because BBV is a non partisan issue

This is about TOP DOWN CONTROL and the bad guys come in all stripes and persuasions.

It's a primary reason the national party stays distant from this issue.

[Steve A Play]

53. Bingo!

Give that man a cigar! :toast:

[LoZoccolo]

61. Not what I said.

Whether or not they committed fraud is independant of the charges that they obstructed her from finding out. The former can be true while the latter is not.

[Steve A Play]

65. Please provide a link to exactly what you're talking about

so I can see the context it was stated in. Saying "they obstructed her from finding out" makes no sense the way you're putting it. I vaguely remember something about the lawyers from the Democratic Party telling Bev and Kathleen to stay away from Volusia County or words to that effect. I don't ever recall her saying that they actually obstructed or prevented them from getting those records. They obviously got them.

Linky please? :)

[LoZoccolo]

68. That's the incident I was talking about.

If you want to call it something else, do so.

[Steve A Play]

91. I'm calling it what it was

You're the one who's making the claim that she said that they "obstructed" her. That's the word you used, now back your claim up with a link, please. :)

[LoZoccolo]

22. And why would so many people who are against her now...

...have supported her for so long? Are you saying that most of the people who supported her up until her meltdown with Keith Olbermann (which is the event that did it) belonged to some sleeper cell of right-wing operatives dispatched to bring her down when the time was right? Are you going to accuse Skinner of being in the sleeper cell for deleting her from here?

[tavalon]

28. Yeah, they say that on Free Republic all the time

Actually, last I heard, she was their darling. She might well have burned that bridge as well. It also pissed of plenty of DUers, myself included, that she was double dipping. It infuriated many DUers, myself included, that she didn't do a damn thing activism wise about the situation in Ohio, though she said she would, before she said she wouldn't, before she just stopped mentioning it.

I read her book. It's a good book. However, she didn't write it, even if she takes credit.

[Steve A Play]

29. Yeah, they say stuff here on DU all the time too

that doesn't necessarily mean it's true! :)

Actually, last I heard, she was their darling. She might well have burned that bridge as well. It also pissed of plenty of DUers, myself included, that she was double dipping.

You say the last you "heard", can I then assume that you allowed someone else to filter the information that you based that observation on, or did you actually look at the opinions of Bev / BBV.org posted there? The posts I've actually read there are very similar to the posts I read here. Some think BBV.org is a 'scam' while others actually have some concerns about what we report, and even offer some good insight on how to change things for the better. The vast majority there either ignore the issue, or pay little attention to it. In that respect, FR and DU are pretty similar, I'll wager that the vast majority here never venture into the ER Forum either. :(

I also don't see anything wrong with what you term as "double dipping". Our right to vote, like all of our rights, is not based on 'party affiliation'. Protecting the right to vote and have it count as cast is a strictly 'non-partisan' issue. Part of the problem that some democrats have is their insistence on trying to own 'non-partisan' issues. Our party is currently in the minority in both the House and in the Senate. If we hope to bring about meaningful changes to the laws, it will only happen if we convince some in the majority party to join us in our votes. There is nothing sinister about a registered 501(c)(3), 'non-partisan', 'non-profit' voting rights organization working with citizens of any party to secure their voting rights. It would be dishonest and illegal for us to do otherwise under our charter.

It infuriated many DUers, myself included, that she didn't do a damn thing activism wise about the situation in Ohio, though she said she would, before she said she wouldn't, before she just stopped mentioning it.

What exactly was it that you and "many DUers" expected from Black Box Voting.org in Ohio? What do you claim Bev said she was going to do? (Please post a link.) What makes you think that BBV.org wasn't working with, and in support of, the activists in Ohio? Why do you claim that BBV.org ever stopped talking about it? Perhaps you should stop taking other people's word for things and do a little research on you own before forming your opinions. May I suggest that you do an advanced search on the BBV.org web site for the word "Ohio" before making blanket statements of fact?

I read her book. It's a good book. However, she didn't write it, even if she takes credit.

I've read her book too, and I agree it's a good book. I suggest everyone here read, or re-read it. :)

I would also caution you against trying to convince people that Bev actually "didn't write it". It will only serve to lessen your credibility among all of us here who witnessed and participated in its creation. There is no disputing the fact that Bev was writing the book, and many here, myself included, volunteered our time and talent to help do the research on various aspects covered in it. There are hundreds of threads here in the archives that prove it. Many more provided help with everything from graphic work, to proof reading the chapters. Some of us were quoted in the book. All of our contributions were acknowledged in the book. Additionally, there are over 300 'footnotes' detailing the sources of all of the information contained in the book.

I dare anyone to find any information in the book that Bev unfairly takes credit for. I'll even make it easy by posting the links to it. Have at it.

Black Box Voting Book

Chapter 01
Chapter 02
Chapter 03
Chapter 04
Chapter 05
Chapter 06
Chapter 07
Chapter 08
Chapter 09
Chapter 10
Chapter 11
Chapter 12
Chapter 13
Chapter 14
Chapter 15
Chapter 16
d - Appendix
Footnotes
Index

ATTENTION MODS! I'm posting this with the permission of the author, thank you. :hi:
You just can't give enough credit where it's due! :toast:

Black Box Voting

Black Box Voting © 2004 Bev Harris • ISBN 1-890916-90-0
This free internet version is available at www.BlackBoxVoting.org

Acknowledgements

Wow. This book was a long, hard, scary piece of work. I could
not have created a body of work like this without help, and it is not
possible to list you all in the space provided. Thanks to Lynn Landes,
and Linda Franz, and Rebecca Mercuri. To Richard Harris, who offered
valuable counsel in so many ways. And to the Colliers, all of ’em,
and Ronnie Dugger, and Peter Neumann, and Doug Jones, the pioneering
voices of concern. To David Allen, who said of the private
corporations that were throwing their weight around, "I’ve always
wanted to be on an ‘Enemies List.'" And to Lex Alexander, a voice of
encouragement when David Allen and I were shouting at one another.
"It’s understandable that you’re feeling a little tense," said Lex. "We’re
just expecting you to save American democracy." To Roxanne Jekot,
who spent hundreds of hours discussing documents and findings, and
was a dear friend. And to DemocraticUnderground.com, perhaps my
greatest source of inspiration and courage during the research and
investigation phase. To Daniel Hopsicker, and Dan Spillane, and Jim
Condit, and Brent Beleskey, and Mark Crispin Miller. To David Dill
and Kim Alexander, and Greg Dinger and Denis Wright, and
ParanoidPat, who never fails to make me laugh. To Alastair Thompson
and Skinner, and Jeff Matson and gristy and punpirate. To Al
Marzian and coalminer’s daughter, bpilgrim and Faun Otter and Marian
Beddill, and that quiet force in the background, Jack Maples. To
pioneering Susan Marie Weber, and two of the gutsiest guys I know,
Charlie Matulka and Rob Behler. To Dan Wallach, Avi Rubin, Yoshi
Kohno and Adam Stubblefield, for having the courage to go public
and apply solid credentials to the problem. To Angka, SoCalDem,
abcdan, Cap, HarmonyGuy, Papau, Phoebe, Trogl and Zhade; Eloriel,
and HeddaFoil. Thanks to Greg Palast, who offered his expert advice
when I found the Diebold FTP files, and to William Rivers Pitt,
who shared ideas and his own research, and Thom Hartman, who
knows the perils of privatization better than anyone. To the honorables
Dennis Kucinich, Jim McDermott, Rush Holt, John Conyers
and Barbara Boxer. To Robin, who stepped in with a shoulder to
lean, and Big John Gideon, the force on the forum. To the irrepressible
Jim March, with his cleverness and great personal courage. To
Andy Stephenson, a kick-ass researcher and a steadfast friend. I promised
myself I’d quit when the page ran out.

If you still really don't believe that Bev Harris wrote it, then who do you think really did? :shrug:

[tavalon]

31. This is going to be overly coy

I'm only writing back to let you know I read your post.

To start throwing anyone's name out there is going to start a flame war and Bev will be back to threatening lawyers.

So, I'm (unfairly, some might say) stepping out of this discussion. It's going nowhere fast and Bev is not welcome here just as she wasn't when she was banned the last time. If you are her, go away. If you are one of her helpers, then by all means, keep helping her. I'm continuing to work in this issue area. I just choose to stay away from her.

[Steve A Play]

33. Who you work with is not as important as continuing the work.

I salute anyone who continues in this fight for fair, open, and honest elections. :toast:

I can assure you I'm NOT Bev, and I will continue helping her. :)

I'll leave it at this, when you publish something untrue on a public forum, please don't be offended if someone else presents facts to counter your statement. That's what discussion forums are all about. It's nothing personal. ;)

[Kelvin Mace]

84. The issues in question

Bev temper, integrity, honesty, etc. Were settled long ago when she was banned for the second time.

Her erratic and vindictive behaviour is established fact and part of the record here.

Ther is nothing left to discuss except by the folks who keep disuting the facts and pretending the banning was on orders of the Democratic Party, as has been insinuated.

[Zhade]

32. That's utterly wrong. I'M not a plant, for example. I USED to trust her.

Now I know she's a paranoid, raving lunatic when it comes to this issue. She made up attacks that never happened, lied about Andy's illness, thus delaying his treatment which resulted in HIS DEATH.

She was a registered freeper for a while before she was banned from DU MULTIPLE TIMES.

She's the reason my state (CA) now has electronic voting machines again, because she lied to everyone and filed a Qui Tam - which she wrongly accused others of doing.

(I was going to say you were lying, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't burned by her like we were. She's just bad news at this point.)

EDIT: here, educate yourself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=340188&mesg_id=340188&page=

[Kelvin Mace]

40. Why would Freepers

turn on Bev, she's the one who has posted to Free Republic and solicited their aid.

What are your "reliable sources". If they are reliable, please post them.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

[bobbieinok]

45. have you read the numerous DU threads about her?????

I have followed David Allen's comments on his dealings with Bev; have you???? If not, why not???

At the very least her 'out of the blue' firing of Andy, her major supporter for some time, is highly suspicious.

I too would like to believe Bev is a 'good guy.' I followed her story and work pre-2004 on DU and her web. Sadly, I simply read too many negative things about her work and her treatment of people who worked with her; these coming from VERY credible people.

IF Bev is credible, explain her actions in the CA case and her placing Heller in serious jeopardy. AND where is the court case that was supposed to result from all the stuff she supposedly found out in FL 2004??? At DU we followed the story, everyone got excited, and then NOTHING. AND explain her posts at FreeRepublic (reported by several at DU).

At the very least, examine everything before you set yourselves up for POSSIBLE trouble by dealing with her.

[anoraksia53]

54. maybe you need some additional sources

for your information on those hot topics of conversation......

At the very least her 'out of the blue' firing of Andy, her major supporter for some time, is highly suspicious.

frinstance, did you know that the BBV Board expressed concerns about his performsance only 6 weeks after he was hired? Keep in mind it was the BBV Board who fired Andy, not Bev. They followed strict procedures, you know, what else do you want? Sometimes things don't work out and in any case it's a little odd to say the least if your just getting your information from whatever Andy said.......Someone whose been fired doesn't always give the full picture, ya know.

But before you keep criticizing Bev maybe you should find out the Board's point of view, since it was their call.

Sorry to see your saying Bev didn't treat Heller right, didn't you see what Heller had to say about that? If you don't believe what Heller said here maybe you should contact Heller or his lawyer yourself before making statements that aren't true about somebody else. Heller is supporting Bev in this, don't you think you should reconsider??? Or maybe you didn't know that Heller had spoken up?

[Kelvin Mace]

59. Someone claiming to be Heller

stood up for Bev.

And we keep explaining that even if this is true, it does not change the fact that Bev sold him out.

[anoraksia53]

73. sorry you are dead wrong

You'd better speak directly with Heller and his attorney before you continue to spread false information........ethically your not on thin ice, you've broken through.

[Kelvin Mace]

80. Hardly

I do not speak for Heller, nor have I ever claimed to.

I have also made it plain that even *IF* Heller thinks Bev is god, it does not alter the fact one iota that she sang to the police when they came knocking.

[Kelvin Mace]

85. These folks have not read any of this except as

a introduction to spin 101 from Bev.

[Steve A Play]

14. Nothing much

:)

Utah Elections Officials Downplay Security Threat - KCPW, UT - 4 hours ago
Major Security Hole In Voting Machines - Judicial Watch, District of Columbia - 5 hours ago
States Beef Up E-Voting Security After Report on Weaknesses - TechNewsWorld, CA - 5 hours ago
States Beef Up E-Voting Security After Report on Weaknesses - E-Commerce Times - 5 hours ago
Voting machine flaw: threat or not? - SC Magazine, UK - 5 hours ago
Pa., other states mandate more security for some voting machines - NEPA News, PA - 8 hours ago
Voting machine security flaws uncovered - ZDNet - 9 hours ago
New Fears of Security Risks in Electronic Voting Systems - New York Times, United States - 10 hours ago
New fears of security risks in e-voting systems - CNET News.com, CA - 13 hours ago
Experts see new Diebold flaw: They call it worst security glitch - TMCnet - 17 hours ago
New Fears Of Security Risks In Computerized Voting System - Free Internet Press, NY - 19 hours ago
Diebold voting machines raise red flags in 3 states - Akron Beacon Journal, OH - 19 hours ago
Experts see new Diebold flaw - Baltimore Sun, United States - 19 hours ago
Volusia still lacks way to verify votes - Daytona Beach News-Journal, FL - 19 hours ago
High-Tech Voting Machines Stir Debate Over Security - New York Times, United States - 22 hours ago
Counties warned of security glitch in machines - Pittsburgh Post Gazette, PA - 22 hours ago
Voting machine tampering feared - The Tribune-Democrat, PA - 22 hours ago
Kern's Voting Machines Directed To Undergo Additional Security - TurnTo23.com, CA - May 11, 2006
Problem With Electronic Voting Machines? - WNEP-TV, PA - May 11, 2006
Security concerns over electronic voting machines - KGET 17, CA - May 11, 2006
Problem With Electronic Voting Machines? - WNEP-TV, PA - May 11, 2006
PA, CA, and IA Require More E-Voting Security - MIT Technology Review, MA - May 11, 2006
California, Iowa and Pennsylvania Order More E-Voting Security - California Chronicle, CA - May 11, 2006
New Diebold machine glitch worst of all - Inside Bay Area, CA - May 11, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WVLT, TN - May 11, 2006
Pa., other states mandate more security for some voting machines - phillyBurbs.com, PA - May 11, 2006
Pa., other states mandate more security for some voting machines - Penn Live, PA - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Worcester Telegram (subscription), MA - May 11, 2006
Directives issued for voting machines - Monterey County Herald, CA - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - San Jose Mercury News, USA - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Grand Forks Herald, ND - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - San Luis Obispo Tribune, CA - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Akron Beacon Journal, OH - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Press-Enterprise (subscription), CA - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Charlotte Observer, NC - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Kansas.com, KS - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Duluth News Tribune, MN - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Fort Wayne News Sentinel, IN - May 11, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Miami Herald, FL - May 11, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WREG, TN - May 11, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Team 4 News, TX - May 11, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KLAS-TV, NV - May 11, 2006
Hacker's Report Due This Week - KCPW, UT - May 11, 2006
Iowa mandates more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WHO-TV, IA - May 10, 2006
Iowa mandates more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WQAD, IL - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WLBT-TV, MS - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WAVY-TV, VA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KTVQ-TV, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KRTV, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KTRE, TX - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KAJ News, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KLFY, LA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KXLF-TV, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KOLD-TV, AZ - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WKYT, KY - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KTVO, MO - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KLTV, TX - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KPLC-TV, LA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WSTM-TV, NY - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Providence Eyewitness News, RI - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KAIT, AR - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KRON 4, CA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KPAX-TV, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KXAN-TV, TX - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KVOA.com, AZ - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KBZK-TV, MT - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WBOC TV 16, MD - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KWWL, IA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WLUC-TV, MI - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WHBF, IL - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WHO-TV, IA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KRIS-TV, TX - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WALB-TV, GA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Fox 12 Boise, ID - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KFVS, MO - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KVIA, TX - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WTVM, GA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WLNS, MI - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WBAY, WI - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WANE, IN - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Eyewitness News, RI - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - KESQ, CA - May 10, 2006
Three states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - WISH, IN - May 10, 2006
Voting glitch said to be 'dangerous' - The Argus, CA - May 10, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - Wilkes Barre Times-Leader, PA - May 10, 2006
3 States Order More E-Voting Security - Houston Chronicle, United States - May 10, 2006
3 States Order More E-Voting Security - Examiner.com, CA - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Times Picayune, LA - May 10, 2006
3 states mandate more security for Diebold e-voting machines - TMCnet - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - TheNewsTribune.com (subscription), WA - May 10, 2006
3 States Order More E-Voting Security - San Francisco Chronicle, USA - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Kansas City Star, MO - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Fort Worth Star Telegram, TX - May 10, 2006
3 States Order More E-Voting Security - Forbes - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Monterey County Herald, CA - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Belleville News-Democrat, IL - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Biloxi Sun Herald, USA - May 10, 2006
3 States Order More E-Voting Security - Guardian Unlimited, UK - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - The State, SC - May 10, 2006
3 states order more e-voting security - Contra Costa Times, CA - May 10, 2006

[Kelvin Mace]

46. Yeah, you posted

this before.

What matters to me is the story of her singing to the police about Heller.

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting, told investigators that Heller met her in a Ventura County park in early 2004 and gave her the documents. She turned them over to the secretary of state and the Oakland Tribune.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/18/state/n073150S99.DTL

The message sent to anyone with important evidence? Bev will use the info to make money, then hand you over to the police.

david Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

[Steve A Play]

58. You might want to read post number 55 above

:wow:

[Kelvin Mace]

81. Why? Do you have an original thought?

Let's see.

Nope, same tired crap.

Jones-Day may have launched the investigation, but they did not "out" Heller. They accused him. The police came to Bev, and she confirmed Jones-Day's accusation.

It's called burning your source.

[Steve A Play]

87. How can I make this clear enough?

"same tired crap" Projection? :rofl:

I've been asked not to reveal anything about the case that hasn't already been published nor engage in any speculation about it.

I'll just stick to the FACTS that are already known and spell it out for you as best I can.

Stephen Heller admits that he took the documents from the Jones Day law firm.

The Jones Day law firm has evidence which proves he took them.

There is no dispute about his having taken them. The argument is about why he took them.

Stephen Heller is charged with stealing them.

Stephen Heller claims he took them to expose a crime and is seeking 'whistle blower' status to gain protection from prosecution for taking them.

Bev Harris, Executive Director of Black Box Voting.org, a recognized 501(c)(3) Voting Rights organization, confirms that Heller gave her the documents and that they were used in court as evidence against Diebold.

I will not engage in speculation as to whether his actions warrant 'whistle blower' protection, or speculate on what would or wouldn't have happened had Bev refused to confirm his story.

No comment. Sorry! :)

You really owe Stephen an apology. He was trying to do you a favor by politely informing you that you were mistaken.

[LoZoccolo]

20. A compendium of Bev Harris information here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[file83]

56. That explains it all - thanks for posting that link.

[Kelvin Mace]

79. I am also starting to post other illuminating posts here

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%20Mace

[blondeatlast]

23. As one with no dog in the BH battle on DU, let me offer my observer's

POV:

She's an opportunistic wackjob who deliberately cyber-kicked a very ill man while he was dying.

I got out of the BBV situation early because I smelled a rat with her and stayed away when I should have helped a fellow DUer because of the lies of her internet operatives.

I don't wish her an end like Andy Stephenson's (I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy), but I've heard tha karma don't play fair and I can't do a damn thing about that...

Edit: others have compiled excellent evidence as to her chicanery, I can't offer anything more than a 3rd party POV.

[high density]

24. She thinks she's a computer expert

But the bottom line is that from what she writes you can tell she understands very little about how computers work. That's a rather large handicap for somebody who's trying to blow the lid on electronic voting machines. But as others have said, there are some massive threads in the archives that will show you a large volume of various other issues with Bev Harris.

[Steve A Play]

30. You believe that Bev "thinks she's a computer expert"?

On what do you base that assumption? :shrug:

I've worked with her for several years now and have come to an entirely different conclusion. I've never once seen, heard, or read, Bev ever allude to herself as an "expert". Quite to the contrary, Bev often admits that she's anything but an "expert".

But the bottom line is that from what she writes you can tell she understands very little about how computers work.

Can you be so kind as to provide an example of her "writing" that demonstrates this? I'm not talking about posts where she was asking questions trying to learn about different aspects of them, rather, any of her published articles that get the facts about them wrong.

Bev doesn't do any computer analysis for BBV.org. She hires some of the best computer security people in the world to do that for us. We also have a number of computer experts that are volunteer members of the organization who also help out. The reports on the computer systems are written by the experts who did the analysis.

That's a rather large handicap for somebody who's trying to blow the lid on electronic voting machines.

Again, quite to the contrary, Bev's been surrounded by world class computer experts for several years now, and you're only kidding yourself if you think she hasn't learned a thing or two from them. :)

Anyone who's been in the room during work sessions with her and people like Harri Hursti and Hugh Thompson knows just how computer literate she's become over that time. I'd go as far as to say that having tutors like Hursti and Thompson is anything but a "handicap". We all should be so 'handicapped'!

[BeachBuckeye]

44. Hi Bev!

Tongue firmly planted in cheek:)

[Steve A Play]

57. Hi Guy!

I'm not Bev, but if your believing that I'm her makes you feel better, go for it. Whatever! :hi:

[Kelvin Mace]

48. And she claims to be

and "investigative journalist". This REALLY POs real journalists.

[LoZoccolo]

25. Another huge thread, this one about her second tombstoning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

[JPZenger]

62. Lied to Us About Having Evidence of Fraud

She lied to us. To collect money from many Kerry supporters, she claimed she had clearcut evidence of vote fraud in the 2004 election. She led everyone on through the month of November 2004. Then, when Democratic members of Congress called for her to present the evidence, she couldn't produce squat.

[Steve A Play]

63. You didn't read the thread, did you?

BBV.org presented boxes of evidence to them. They didn't do squat with it.

At least Susan Pynchon was successful in her lawsuit against Volusia County because of the evidence we provided. Too bad she's not one of our elected representatives. :(

[Kelvin Mace]

77. Bev CLAIMS to have presented boxes of "evidence"

But we all know what her claims are worth. You wouldn't have any actual PROOF of that claim, would you?

[preciousdove]

90. Bev is P T Barnum's doppleganger

formerly of DU. She takes your work, money, sweat and tears and takes you down into the sewer with her. She then deftly escapes and finds new suckers to fleece.

She came to DU from another blog and accused the owner of secretly filing a QTam lawsuit against Diebold when she herself was doing it. By doing that she effectively stopped any chance of taking out Diebold before the 2004 election. She sold out the whistle blower from Diebold, she wold out her publisher, she sold out all the people who were ready to do battle in Florida in 2004. She staged some damn fine publicity stunts that accomplished nothing but the real crime is that she has has managed to divide people and suck up resources neutralizing the movement. And she did coordinate the disgusting personal attacks on Andy when he was fighting for hiS life AND HAD STOOD BY HER BECAUSE HE BELIEVED IN THE CAUSE But hey, actually reading what happened might take some time and is no fun so you willingly present yourselves to her waiting to be plucked and argue we who have been here don't really know her.

There are groups who are real, effective and worthy of you but none of them will trust Bev ever again. Ask them.

[mmarcus]

92. I've been an 'undecided' on Bev Harris

All these "Bev Harris" threads sound like my kids fighting. I love all my sons, but son number three is usually the one at fault. Kelvin Mace is doing a lot of instigating, IMHO.

Like with my sons, I don't care who's at fault, just stop it!

KELVIN YOU BETTER NOT MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR!:spank:

I don't care who's at fault.