Nader went to Gore's book signing, thereby conceding Gore's superiority.

[LoZoccolo]

You can see it right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ8xOOm7aRg

Gore wrote a book about global warming; did Nader do that? No, he just wrote a book about his prank involving getting George W. Bush* into office (ha ha).

Who's asking for who's autograph now?

[wyldwolf]

1. I bet Al wanted to whip his ass!

[LoZoccolo]

2. I might have done this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2695614&mesg_id=2695614

[earthside]

9. I Doubt It

Never forget ... Gore won the election, nationally and in Florida, even with Nader running.

Gore received the most votes, despite Nader.

Never forget ... Bush STOLE the election. Period.

Gore knows this.

[lisa58]

12. here, here...

...or is it hear, hear?

[ashling]

15. They were only able to pull it off

because it was so close. Had Gore taken even half of those votes that went to Nader, Cheney and his bunch would not have been able to pull it off.

[CBHagman]

3. I have a bookstore story about Nader.

A few years back Ralph Nader was to appear at a book signing for one of his books (I forget which one). It was to be held at an independent bookstore, not one of the large, nationally known chains.

Nader didn't show up. A friend of mine who worked for the store said a bunch of young Nader supporters were waiting to see him, and he...went out to dinner.

It's sort of like the business of the shoemaker's kids going barefoot. Leave it to Nader to stiff an independent bookstore, not a large corporation!

[LoZoccolo]

4. Wow, good story.

One wonders if he was dining with one of his Republican donors.

I heard a story about his staff trying to unionize and getting it shut down by Nader, so that doesn't surprise me.

[Joe Bacon]

11. Ralph the Union Buster

from

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

Ralph talks big about democracy and even unions. But when his own workers at one of his magazines, Multinational Monitor, got fed up with cruel working conditions and started agitating for a union of their own, Nader busted the union with all of the hardball techniques used by corporate owners across America. Workers at Public Citizen, another Nader group, also tried to form a union because of 60 to 80 hour work weeks, salaries that ranged from $13,000 down, and other difficult working conditions and were blocked by Nader, who remains unapologetic to this day.

Nader says "I don't think there is a role for unions in small nonprofit 'cause' organizations any more than ... within a monastery or within a union."

When ringleader Tim Shorrock filed the union recognition papers, Nader immediately transferred ownership in the Multinational Monitor to close friends who ran an organization ("Essential Information") that Nader had set up. When Shorrock showed up for work the next day, he had been fired, the locks were changed, and management called the police to charge him with theft (of his own work papers.) That charge was thrown out of court, but management fired the two supportive editors and sued the three of them for $1.2 million, agreeing to drop the intimidation suit only when they dropped their NLRB complaint. All of these action are straight from the hardball anti-union playbook, and Nader makes no apology.

According to Nader, "Public interest groups are like crusades…you can’t have work rules, or 9 to 5." Shorrock, with his "union ploy," became an "adversary" according to Nader. "Anything that is commercial, is unionizable," but small public interest organizations "would go broke in a month," Nader says, if they paid union wages, offered union benefits and operated according to standard work rules, such as the eight-hour day. Remember that Nader's well-funded organizations were amassing tons of extra money that Ralph has been playing the stock market with during all these events.

[LoZoccolo]

14. Thank you for that; there's lots of interesting stuff at that link! n/t

[rep the dems]

5. God I hate Ralph Nader.

Why does anyone vote for him?

[Lost-in-FL]

7. >

:popcorn:

[LoZoccolo]

8. Why do people set buildings on fire and watch firemen put it out?

I don't know that one either, but I wouldn't be surprised if they boiled down to the same thing.

[Webster Green]

13. To show our disgust with the two-party system...

I voted for Nader in 2000. I live in California, so I figured it was safe to vote for Nader.

I agree with 99% of what he has to say, and I have admired him for years just because he stirs shit up a little.

Anyone who wants to run for office should do so.

We need some kind of instant run-off system so that third party candidates can't be spoilers.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Why take that out on innocent people?

Via:

- the Iraq war
- global warming
- lack of disaster prevention/relief
- outsourcing


Just to name a few. Why do you make victims of all these people in showing your disgust for something that's not even up for a vote?

[ulysses]

6. LOL!

:D

[AtomicKitten]

10. Genuflect, Ralph. n/t

[NotGivingUp]

16. Ralph Nader has done more for this country than most....and where on

earth do you come to the conclusion that since he went to Gore's book signing, he's conceding Gore's superiority???

[LoZoccolo]

17. Of course he's done more than most.

Look at the last five years, for instance.

Usually people get someone's autograph if they look up to them in some way. I admit, I did not appeal to common sense in coming up with that notion. It arrived to me on a vibration of light which entered through a wrinkle of spacetime and shattered various consciousnesses of my brain, which were reassembled into form and meaning. I accept these intuitive flashes without question.

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Oh yeah La Ralph has done sooooooo much.

He helped install Bush.

Thanks a lot Ralph you arrogant fuck wad.

[Webster Green]

19. Right, nobody should run for office unless they are part of...

the corporate-approved, two party, winner takes all election system.

Tuh!

[w4rma]

21. Nader acted irresponsibly. (nt)

[inthebrain]

22. Nader deserves nothing but respect

I have always respected him and will continue to do so. The man is the most uncompromising sun of a bitch I know and I wish 1% of the Dem party had his fire. Ralph has a knack for getting at issues that are most pertinent and ignored by the two parties.

Some might think it resonable to blame Nader for 2000 but I think many Dems who deserve to have some shit thrown at them orchestrated that. There is still the disenfranchisement of voters in the 2000 election that not one Democrat signed on to oppose. That is what cost Gore and gave Bush the white house instead of a jail cell.

Lets not even forget that with the recount Gore still won Florida.

Nader didnt "cost" Gore anything in this election. If there is a section of the voting populace you wish to blame, point it to the 6,000 liberals in FL that voted for Bush in order to give the Dems a black eye.

Whole heartedly the blame rests with those that tampered with the election. Besides, blaming Nader kinda sounds a little too much like an entitlement mentality. No body is obligated to vote for this party and we arent going to have the threat of Bush to kick around anymore. If Democrats dont start acting responsible on issues that they as a party are supposed to uphold, we'll be looking at another 00/04 in 06/08.

It's the issues. Nader kicked ass on the issues in 2000 and won over people who dont vote by running with a message that "nobody should settle" and "If we should expect our representatives to vote their conscience, so should we".

After 04 I don't think you can get away with blaming Nader anymore. This party has a problem representing their fundamental issues.

Havent we witnessed at least that much in the last 2 years?