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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:32 PM
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Hacking Democray's Epitaph
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 03:15 PM by Vyan
Crossposted from Truth 2 Power

Last night I watched the HBO Documentary "Hacking Democracy" and found it fascinating, if somewhat well worn territory (for myself and Dkossers).

The film follows Bev Harris of Black Box Voting as she originally began to take up the cause of Verified Voting in 2001 and continues through the decertification of Diebold by California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley and verification by Leon Country Election Supervisor Ion Sancho that the results of electronic tabulators can be untracably altered via their memory cards.

But there's more to this story. Much more...

A Review of Hacking Democracy from the New York Times.

TV Review | 'Hacking Democracy'
In the Land of `Every Vote Counts,' Uncertainty on Whether It's Counted Correctly
By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN

(snip)
Hacking Democracy" follows Ms. Harris and her band of unmerry women (and male hackers and hangers-on) as they trudge to polling places, corporate headquarters and court hearings looking for answers. An "irregularity" -- that's computerese for blank existential terror -- that shows up in Volusia County, Fla., in November 2000 energizes their cause: in that county, Mr. Gore seems to have received "-16,022" votes. A deficit. Negative votes. It doesn't take a scientist from Stanford to explain that is just, um, bad.

A second memory card, which vanished into thin air (naturally), may have been loaded into the computer that counted the votes. That's fraud of the highest order. Susan Bernecker, a Republican candidate for City Council in Jefferson Parish, La., in the mid-1990s, went to test the voting machines years ago. Twice, in a demo, she pressed her own name to see how it would register; twice the name of her opponent was registered in the memory of the machine. They test 15 more machines and find the same results.

Rigged voting in Louisiana? Say it ain't so. But it's not shocked-shocked you feel watching this; it's genuine shock. As the drama proceeds, adducing more evidence for the unreliability of the voting machines than can possibly be explored here, you might also feel flattened. Computers count around 80 percent of votes in America. The marketing director for Diebold, Mark Radke, who defends both the company and its chief executive (a major Republican fund-raiser who once promised in a letter to "deliver the electoral votes of Ohio" to President Bush), talks in maddening doublespeak and wears the arched-eyebrow expression of a silent-movie fiend. His Nixon-era nondenial denials turn the stomach.

Bev Harris herself has been rather controversial in these waters -- but there's little denying the public service that she has performed by being involved in this film.

In the film we see Bev and her friends dumpster diving in Georgia and Florida for election materials and managing to discover signed copies of tabulator printouts which by law are supposed to be kept for years following an election.

The HBO film ends with the work of Harri Husti as he manages to duplicate the Volusi County negative vote phenomenon simply by updating the memory card used on a tabulator machine in a demonstration for Ion Sancho of Leon County Fl. - it is apparently this demonstration which eventually led to Sancho to kick Diebold out of the county. Let me point out that this machine is used to count PAPER Ballots and that the results of Hursti's test show that such modifications could be done without detection and could affect all votes throughout not just a single precinct, but an entire county or congressional district depending on how many ballots are sent through the infected machine.

Voting Absentee is No Protection as all ballots are eventually put through the same tabulator machines. If the machine has been tampered with, every vote will be affected.

Unfortunately the real ending for the film isn't nearly as positive as what was shown by HBO.

After kicking out Diebold Sancho ran in to problems with other voting equipment companies who complained "they couldn't trust him".

Now all state-approved companies refuse to sell him the machines he's ordered until he promises to run no further checks on them. And he's had to return the $1/2 million dollar grant he wanted to use to order voting machines for the disabled.

But wait, it gets worse...

After decertifying Diebold for California, Secretary of State Kevin Shelley resigned amid scandal and was replaced by Republican Bruce McPherson (as appointed by Governer Schwarzenegger) who quickly proceeded to recertify Diebold.

Diebold Machines are in use Now, thruout California for Early/Absentee voting.

As was recently shown by Computer Scientists from Princeton, these machines remain highly vulnerable to tampering - all you need is some code and a mini-bar key to access the machine. Even the dim-bulbs on Faux News were shocked when they were shown how to hack an election in 90 seconds.

Husti has also found security holes and "back-doors" in other Diebold machines, holes which the state of Maryland had been aware of for nearly two years.

All it would take is One person to change the outcome of an election according to the Washington Post.

A malicious individual with access to a voting machine could rig the software without being detected. Worse yet, if the attacker rigged the machine used to compute the totals for some precinct, he or she could alter the results of that precinct. The only fix the RABA authors suggested was to warn people that manipulating an election is against the law.

...

Diebold spokesman David Bear admitted to the New York Times that the back door was inserted intentionally so that election officials would be able to update their systems easily. Bear justified Diebold's actions by saying, "For there to be a problem here, you're basically assuming a premise where you have some evil and nefarious election officials who would sneak in and introduce a piece of software... I don't believe these evil elections people exist."

We shouldn't have to trust the veracity of a Diebold spokesmans belief on this issue. But unfortunately, their assurances are pretty much all we have - that and the likelyhood that all of our election workers are honest and honorable.


On a personal note I'm not entirely cynical on this issue, as I happen to be an election worker myself, and have been for the last several years including the 2004 Presidential contest. This month I went through training on the latest ES&S ballot reader devices which will be used at all 5026 precincts in Los Angeles County. My mother is an Election Inspector - which means that last Sunday she picked up all of the polling place materials and has been storing them in her living room - including the ballot reader. Now I happen to have a computer software and security background, including 12 years working for a defense contrator and several more as a consultant with the State of california.

IMO There are all kinds of mischief possibilities here. (I noticed during our training that access to the Admin Functions of the reader were not password protected. This may be changed on election day - I would hope!). But to date - simply because of my own personal honor - I haven't touched anything and I won't - But I could if I wanted to.

So could the other inspectors and additional 10,000+ polls workers in this one county. Can we truly expect that everyone will show the same restraint? I would hope so, but unfortunately I think not.

On the positive side, the 5000+ ballot readers which are currently sitting in various living rooms and garages across L.A. County are not being used to count the votes, only to verify that the voter hasn't made any mistakes which might invalidate their vote. They do have the capability to count votes, but that feature has been turned off - for now.

The situation is dire, but it is NOT hopeless. This is no time to hang our heads in frustration and despair. It's time to ACT.

From my years of experience at the polls my suggestion to anyone who feels this is a serious issue is - if you haven't already - take Tuesday off and spend it at your local polling place to WATCH. Citizens have a right to be view their Democracy in progress. Bring a Camera, a note pad and a cell phone.

  • Document anyone trying to influence or sway voters (Electioneering within 100 feet of Poll), it's a crime.

  • Document any challenges to a voters status, unreasonable requests for ID or their being required to vote provisionally without just cause.

  • Federal Law Requires that Poll Workers Update the Street Index every hour to indicate who has already voted. This index (in California) includes that Name, Address, Phone Number and PARTY AFFILIATION of each registered voter. USE YOUR PHONE and get our people to the Polls.

There isn't much we can do about malicious code which may or may not be in play this upcoming Tuesday (Robert F Kennedy Jr has a pending lawsuit against Diebold which should eventually help in the future) but we can do something about the human element right now!.

By acting individually we can avoid the types of "phone bank jamming" tricks that Republicans have used in the past. They can't stop all of us. Don't wait for the campaigns and the politicians to protect your Democracy for you - Take it personally. Get involved and make sure everyones vote counts. We can't afford not too.

Vyan

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:43 PM
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1. K&R #2, 1,000 to go. RATE IT UP, PEOPLE! PLEASE!
Rate it up!

The horse is out of the barn--now give it a hard slap on the behind.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:28 PM
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4. Very well-thought out post of this important film
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:50 PM
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6. Yep. WELCOME, true!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:48 PM
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2. the documentary left me shaken
I only hope it has the same effect on those that can do something about it.

K&R
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:08 PM
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3. Kicking!
:kick:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:31 PM
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5. ANOTHER great post, Vyan. Rec.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 04:51 PM
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7. Bev Harris? Didn't she mess Florida as stolen state in 2004?
Mucked evidence, counfounded friends - like Randi and KO, then went on FR and said Dems wanted to steal it?????
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:00 PM
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8. EXCELLENT post-- K&R....
eom
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:44 PM
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9. Recommended; I'm trying to take Tuesday OFF WORK to hang out at polls.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 05:47 PM
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10. I question whether Gore received negative votes...
That's something that the slacking media would even pick up. I'll believe it when I see it from a highly credible source.

I believe Gore won regardless, but 16,000+ negative votes? Sorry.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:47 PM
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11. It was covered...
by Dana Milbank of the Washington Post.

DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000.

But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters.

The aberration was relayed to County Judge Michael McDermott, the election overseer. "We have a problem here," he said.


The problem was found and apparently corrected.

More importantly, post election studies by Florida State University have found that Gore received over 30,000 write-in votes more than Bush. Apparently some people who had been confused by the butter-fly ballot and had picked the wrong choice decided that simply punching the other hole wasn't good enough and wrote the name in. Unfortunately these ballots were considered "spoiled" due to the overvotes and were never officially counted.

Vyan
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 10:29 PM
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12. Vyan, are you in LA county? Because I am with poll workers for democracy, working
together with videothevote.org, and I'm sure on of our video teams would love to film that machine in your mother's living-room,and interview you two.
And also, since you know, I have a question I can't find the answer to:
A poll worker called me and said that at her training she was told that any new voter would have an N next to their name, and that they are only allowed to vote if they bring in ID with their name and address. I asked landshark, who said that HAVA does not say that. Does california election law say that?
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:51 PM
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19. As far as I know yes...
New voters are required to show id, if the do not have ID - they must vote provisionally. Active voters (those who have voted since the last two Presidential Elections) do not need ID. Inactive Voters (those who haven't voted recently) must take a Voter Oath, but still do not need to show ID.

Exactly where this is stated in the California Elections Code - is unclear to me. (I might be able to locate it later)

The Oath: "I swear (or affirm) under penalty of perjury that I am a registered voter in this precinct and continue to reside at the registered address shown"

It also includes a Warning: It is a crime punishable by imprisonment in the staet prison or in county jail fo any one to fraudulently vote, fraudulenty attempt to vote, vote more than one attempt, to vote more than once, impersonate a voter, or atempt to impersonate a voter (Elections Code Sec 18560).


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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 05:34 AM
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13. exceptional post . . . thanx! . . . kicked/recommended . . . n/t
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:47 AM
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14. Why have there been no arrests?
Why after stealing three consecutive elections as we have been told there is proof for, all we get is a movie that many may not even see? All people do is talk about 2000 but nothing ever got done about it except for it to be used as a talking point to get more people out to vote to get "revenge" on the very people who keep stealing them because we don't seem to have the real clout to stop them. And Congress has been useless on all sides regarding this. Again, if there is proof, why hasn't one Democrat in Congress stood up to fight to get these machines out all together? And what if Democrats take the House and Senate this Tuesday? Will that suddenly quell all of this talk? Will electronic machines suddenly be OK then? Again, I believe there has been fraud, and I definitely know for a fact that 2000 was stolen (and will never forgive how people of all parties swept it under the rug and told others to "get over it"), But again, THREE consecutive elections and all we are still doing is talking about it? That sure tells me how powerful the status quo is and will be regardless of who controls Congress, and that is a very sad statement.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:06 PM
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17. Kick for answers ~ it is not to be believed that
no one has been held accountable.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:32 AM
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26. yes, and that there is no answer to the question either n/t
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:03 PM
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20. John Conyers, Stephanie Tubbs-Johnson
and Barbara Boxer have all stood up. Also there have been arrests and charges brought by a Special Prosecutor in Cleveland for actions by election officials who apparently pre-sorted the ballots in Ohio illegally. (The HBO documentary shows footage of these workers at the time, but doesn't follow up on the issue.

Vyan
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 01:26 PM
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21. Isn't there a 2nd part to the HBO show?

I thought it was going to be shown several times and different segments.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:22 PM
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22. Apparently not
although it will be reshown over the next few weeks.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 02:28 PM
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23. I'm talking about DIEBOLD
And I'm also talking about Democrats in Congress calling for the voting machines to be removed from this process completely. Has any Democrat stood up for that?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:26 AM
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25. DIEBOLD lied on video
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 08:31 AM by RestoreGore
They specifically stated on video that you could not change vote totals from memory cards when Bev Harris and her crew had already shown us previously that they did it. Why then were charges not brought up against DIEBOLD? Aren't these memory cards only going to be used again on Tuesday? How can that then be stopped if in fact there is executable code already in the memory card which they also lied about? Don't then wonder why people are feeling negative about voting. Perhaps if we had seen some real justice regarding this instead of talk ( as in these companies being shut out by elections officers across the country,) we would feel more secure about it. DIEBOLD and other companies are also making MILLIONS off of this alleged fraud. Are there then documented cases of actual races showing that the memory card did indeed do this? If there are, where are they? Or are we the people having our chains yanked on all sides? I don't expect these machines to be out of our voting process even should Democrats take Congress (who are using these machines as well,) and again, that doesn't fill me with security at all about this process, or about those in Congress on any side who purport to support this Constitution and Democracy.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:25 AM
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15. Kick
For Democracy!
"The only cure for an ill democracy is more democracy". E.Abbey
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 10:32 AM
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16. Excellent post and I watched it last night
It was touching to see Andy. It was a tribute to his work for Justice.

Anyone that could watch this presentation and not want to cry for our country must be Blind and hard of Hearing.

It was extremely well done and really validated all of the so called " TIN HAT" DU group that knew immediately that the election was HACKED!

Bravo to HBO for their brave work.
Bravo to DU and all of the TIN HAT wearers.

:tinfoilhat:
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 12:33 PM
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18. Tape it, and let other see it. Especially those working at the polls!
I have VHS taped the HBO documentary http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/?ntrack_para1=feat_main_title

" Hacking Democracy" It is very good, incredible, sad, sickening,educational, and and very enlightening. It doesn't give you answers, just info and shows you how bad these machines are.
I hope you can show it to others, and we all need to call or write our legislatours and the media.

If you have HBO here is when it will be on again. Double check the schedule in your area.
DATE/TIME CHANNEL
Thu 11/2 09:00 PM HBO High Definition - EAST
Thu 11/2 09:00 PM HBO LATINO - EAST
Thu 11/2 09:00 PM HBO - EAST
Fri 11/3 12:00 AM HBO High Definition - WEST
Fri 11/3 12:00 AM HBO - WEST
Fri 11/3 12:00 AM HBO LATINO - WEST
Sat 11/4 12:00 PM HBO2 - EAST
Sat 11/4 03:00 PM HBO2 - WEST
Sun 11/5 09:00 AM HBO High Definition - EAST
Sun 11/5 09:00 AM HBO LATINO - EAST
Sun 11/5 09:00 AM HBO - EAST
Sun 11/5 12:00 PM HBO High Definition - WEST
Sun 11/5 12:00 PM HBO - WEST
Sun 11/5 12:00 PM HBO LATINO - WEST
Mon 11/6 02:10 AM HBO LATINO - EAST
Mon 11/6 05:10 AM HBO LATINO - WEST
Tue 11/7 09:00 AM HBO High Definition - EAST
Tue 11/7 09:00 AM HBO - EAST
Tue 11/7 09:00 AM HBO LATINO - EAST
Tue 11/7 12:00 PM HBO High Definition - WEST
Tue 11/7 12:00 PM HBO - WEST
Tue 11/7 12:00 PM HBO LATINO - WEST
Tue 11/7 06:30 PM HBO High Definition - EAST




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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 06:26 PM
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24. Hacking Democracy (bittorrent video)
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 06:26 PM by LibertyorDeath

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2567191&mesg_id=2567191

Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-03-06 04:52 PM
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Hacking Democracy (bittorrent video) Updated at 4:29 AM

Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 05:35 PM by Wonk
http://www.isohunt.com/download/14712136

Remember to seed to a ratio of at least 1.0, preferably 1.1 or more, after your download is complete to keep the torrent strong.


edit: Please K & R if you want more people to see this video.
Hacking Democracy - video is now online
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