Scientology, could Dean benefit?

[scintlgst]

Scientology Aims:

A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology. — L. Ron Hubbard

http://www.scientology.org/

Many of my Scientologist buds are really high on Dean and we are thinking of organizing our centers across America as unofficial campaign offices. We also would have massive amounts of foot soldiers to contribute to the effort.

What do you think? Worth the effort? I am really excited!

[wuushew]

1. Battlefield Earth clips would destroy any Presidential campaign

n/t

[scintlgst]

4. Is there a prejudice on this board against Scientologists?

[Flagg]

13. well it is a sect.....

a nice one

Tom cruise, John travolta

but a sect nonetheless

they ruined thousands of lives

[pasadenaboy]

39. objective judgement is not prejudice.

[bearfartinthewoods]

54. i have to say i respect a person who is up front with their agenda

with a 'nic' like yours and the first thread you post...can't get more up-front than that.

[Robb]

2. Nice seein' ya.

:eyes:

[scintlgst]

3. Why?!

[DCDemo]

6. Uh because it's a money-draining, damaging, mind-controlling

CULT

[scintlgst]

9. Not for me, I'm sorry you feel that way

Could you tell me why?

[November 2004]

5. Scientologists for Dean

no comment

[Robb]

14. I hear Jim Jones is backing

.... no comment.

[Name removed]

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[DS1]

38. There's a disgusting overabundance of the word disgusting

here at DU.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. No thanks

that the last thing Dean needs. Unless of course, you want Bu$h to win again?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. Hey, if the Dem candidate got chummy with Scientology...

...I would want Bu$h to win again! http://www.xenu.net/

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. I disagree. I believe in freedom OF religion as much as freedom FROM

religion..the only issue I have with Scientology is that they want to have it both ways..on the one hand, they say they are a religion and should be exempt from taxes..on the other hand if another group begins processing using Scientology's formats, they sue and claim TRADE SECRETS.

[scintlgst]

Why do you say that?

[Torrey Pines]

8. If he does,

he shouldn't tell anyone next year. ;-)

[scintlgst]

10. Most Scientiologists are very open minded and liberal.

I am surprised at the responses.

[Flagg]

15. if you say so mate.....

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-allard-060176.htm

[scintlgst]

22. Scientology-No pedophiles allowed!!!

No mass suicides!

No polygamy!

No embezzlement!

No abortion clinic bombers!

Gee you're right, Scientology is soooo bad!

[Selwynn]

27. Yeah until it comes to medical treatment...

[Northwind]

37. You are confused

He is not talking about Christian Scientists

[liberalhistorian]

31. I must apologize on behalf of my fellow DUers,

whose strong reaction against Scientology really surprises me. I'm a Christian and not into Scientology, but you can't go around calling any belief system you disagree with a Cult just because you don't agree with it and would never be a member. You sound like freepers and fundies when you do that, and that's the last thing I'd expect from people on this board.

He has a right to be a Scientologist if he wants, as long as he doesn't shove it down everyone else's throat, which he doesn't appear to be doing.

[scintlgst]

43. Thanks-Some people are sooo shut down

And I'm a female.

[liberalhistorian]

45. Ooops, sorry

about that! That's happened to me, too, so I know how annoying it is.

[pasadenaboy]

52. There is a major difference

between a religion which is freely joined and one that takes the tactics of scientology. See the various links that have been provided to know what they really do.

As a fellow historian, I would recommend you do some research on this organization before you say it is wrong for people to call this group a cult. How many groups are called cults here? How do you know the critics are wrong before you investigate?

Maybe we are wrong, and scientology is a positive force like they say. maybe the scientologists are wrong. and it is an evil controlling institution. but making a judgement is not in and of itself wrong.

[auntpattywatty]

12. You should get in touch with Preez Dean's headquarters and discuss it

[madfloridian]

16. Ah, is that where you got your views on working mothers?

Now I see.

[scintlgst]

19. I haven't said anything about working mothers at all

Please clarify your post

[babzilla]

53. this maybe?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=29024#29168

Are the kids in day care?

I would think he makes enough that she could stay home with them at least until they're raised.

on edit: scintlgst's post regarding working mothers.

[rucky]

17. Why Dean?

Just curious.

[Hoppin_Mad]

18. When's the clambake ?

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. You have to go clear

in order to be allowed to attend.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. I think processing is a valuable tool, but I found the organization

to be corrupt and controlling, so no it's not a prejudice...my venom for Scientology arises out of personal experience. Best wishes to you, though. I hope they never have anything on you should you decide to move on.

[scintlgst]

23. Wait a minute

How can you sit there and bash? WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE?

[Robb]

26. Now you've done it NSMA

...you're gonna get sued! :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

29. You just judged me by calling my informed response bashing.

Who are you?

[scintlgst]

41. So you are saying...

You're saying that your "informed" response is the only response that an "informed" person could have? Many people are "informed" about this and they have a different view than you on it.

All you are doing is trying to legitimize and "dress up" your bashing as some kind of uber-legitimate opinion.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. No I didn't say that. When people see something other than what was said

it is often a result of their painful "engrams" associated with their past. You should know that.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

28. HTTP://WWW.XENU.NET/ (nt)

[pasadenaboy]

30. Scientology is an evil cult

which brain washes people.

Maybe the Larouche campaign can benefit from your efforts.

Hope you enjoyed your time on DU.

[Cheswick2.0]

32. I didn't know scientologists were into converting people

?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. Are you kidding me? Kidnapping is more like it.

[Cheswick2.0]

61. I was being ironic... or sarcastic or someting

actually I was terrorized by some off shoot of this organization about 10 years ago. I think they were called Lifespring or something. They worked their way through the drama department of a small college I had friends at. Boy did they mine that place for thousands.

[AWD]

35. They don't convert people

They prefer to call it "wire transfers of funds".

[Cheswick2.0]

62. Rofl... unfortunately the rich celebrity followrs

such as Travolta give this organization cover. They do it because they are not exposed to the same tactics.

[bicentennial_baby]

33. If by "help" you mean help him lose

Then yes, by all means. But if you mean "help" as in help him win, then by all means NO!!!!

[pasadenaboy]

36. The truth about scientology (not copyrighted)

I'm going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I'll begin.


Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.


Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.


Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).


These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".


When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called "body thetans". And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these "body thetans" and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. However, this story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.

Most of the Scientologists who work in their Dianetics* centres and so called "Churches" of Scientology do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret "upper" levels of Scientology. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology.

Part of the first page of the secret OT III document in L. Ron Hubbard's own handwriting


(Sorry, couldn't copy the picture)


Now you have read this you know their big secret.

* Dianetics and Scientology are trademarks of the Religious Technology Centre. This document is not connected with that organisation in any way.

[neebob]

42. And here I thought

the teachings of the cult I was raised in were crazy. Are you certain of this? How do you know it?

[scintlgst]

44. So then the Native American religions

That talk about a great turtle carrying the universe on it's back and the like are "crazy" and "cultish" and therefore unworthy of study?

What is your point?

[pasadenaboy]

50. the difference is they don't hide what they believe from you

and make you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars before they reveal what they truly believe.

[bicentennial_baby]

51. BINGO!

[Hoppin_Mad]

46. You forgot the all-important clams !

[Northwind]

40. If the Elronners (scientologists) want to support Dean

I welcome them.

Just like I welcome christians that support Dean, or muslims, jews, atheists (which is me), neo-pagans, paleo-pagans, pantheists, deists, and even conservatives.

I have researched a bit about scientology, and yes, I do think it is a load of hooey. But to be fair, I also find all of the worlds major religons to be full of hooey. None of the more outlandish parts of scientology or any more outlandish than any other religion, and if it helps people get through the day, I do not have a problem with it.

[rucky]

49. That's my attitude, as well. (n/t)

[bedtimeforbonzo]

48. Scientologists would be OK, but

I think their slack got thrown out with the thetans.

[chookie]

55. But Dean is not nuts!

He'll never go for it.

Sorry pal -- you better pitch your schtick somewhere else.

Now -- where's that Ignore button.....?

[KittyWampus]

56. Oh! Red Herring....

[babzilla]

57. so whaddya think now?

still worth the effort? Are you still really excited!!?

Are your Scientologist buds still really high on Dean?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

58. I am glad fellow Scientologists is coming out of closet on DU.

I never would have thought that there are so
many Scientologists on the DU. I have not read
all of the posts, but it looks like several
dozens has jumped out of the bushes to perclaim
their Scientology and get excited that Dean has
come out as a Scientologist. You bet I am excited
too. I am almost clear myself.

[dsc]

59. I do have one question

I am not bashing but why would they be high on Dean? Isn't this a faith which distrusts medicine? I think if he can get the votes of people who don't like doctors that bodes well for him but I admit I find this hard to believe.

[babzilla]

64. don't get your "science" religions mixed up

Christian Scientist's distrust medicine.

Scientologist's distrust those that don't believe in Science Fiction.

Creation Scientist's distrust those that believe in dinosaurs.

Oh, and don't get your science and religion mixed up either, they don't mix well.

[madrchsod]

60. if a really bad writer

can start a "religion" ,i guess i will too.maybe i`ll make millions from selling machines that clean your mind...

[Robb]

63. Does kind of give you hope, doesn't it?

Mine's gonna say you go to heaven if you keep at least twelve (12) special spoons in your pants. :evilgrin:

[meow mix]

65. count me in too =)

i write horrible. and i could think of stuff! lol

[Hoppin_Mad]

66. Clark has that whole 'uniform thing' going for him

He'd look swell in one of those Scientology 'Sea Scout' getups !

[Emperor_Norton_II]

67. It begins...

Call this a level 1 Bad Feeling. Somebody better page the mods - if this thread is any indication we might be seeing DU get fairgamed in the near future...

[Moderator]

68. Locking........

The author has been banned.



DU Moderator