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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:49 AM
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It's My Party and I'll Cry if I Want To...
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 10:36 AM by Totally Committed
You would cry too, if it happened to you.

Well, I guess that's really not accurate. It did happen to you, and your joy is palpable this morning. Before I say what it is I have to say, I want to tell you all two things: (1) I am happy that the Democrats are back in some sort of power. One-Party rule does not a democracy make. And, I'm hoping under the Democrats, the Constitution (now on life-support in the basement somewhere...) will make a vibrant come-back. We may even get some of our rights back... it could happen. (2) I am so very proud of the way everyone worked their fingers to the bone for this victory. There is no one here who doesn't deserve a pat on the back. We all put our personal stances aside and held our noses and voted for the "D". I'm hoping that will be something that will change by 2008... that we will have some genuine choices in that race... but.... more about that in a minute. Still, you all dazzled me with your knowlege, your selfless giving, your rock-hard support, and your tireless work. You proved to be a group of democrats (small "d"), as well as Democrats. Coming from me, there is no higher praise.

That having been said, this victory is nothing but bittersweet for me. I grew up with a very definite idea of what a Democrat was. With that came a very definite expectations about what The Democratic Party would come to be.... and very definite things it would always stand for. Over the past months, I've reviewed these expectations and beliefs, and came to wonder if I had just been naive, or if there was a moment when this Party moved (or stopped moving) in one direction, and went on without me.

I also grew up with an almost solemn love for this country. I believed so fervently that one day it would become the country I always thought it would be... everyone would be valued, fulfilled, protected, educated, and respected equally. I believed we would find a way to show the rest of the world how to live in peace and equality. And, I believed I would see this in my lifetime, because the majority of my fellow Americans felt as I did, and wanted all these things as well. It wasn't just the Bush administration who dashed those hopes, but the Americans it empowered to come forward and punish all of us with their sanctimony, their religiosity, their bigotry and hatred, their fear and their intolerance. Where I once saw the possibility of a country and a people that would accept (and, in the best case scenario, even value) everyone who lived here, I've found a country and a people that cannot even tolerate everyone who lives here.... Speak English, or don't speak at all. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps, because there is no government safety-net to help you. Love someone of the opposite sex or don't love at all... and don't even think about marriage and a family. Science comes from Satan. Either you're Christian or you're going to hell.... These, and other beliefs of these or my fellow Americans leave me speechless, disheartened, but, in the end, realistic about the America we have today: This is exactly the America most Americans want.

Okay, you say... then we didn't do too badly, if that's so. I can see the logic, if you look simply at the Party that made all the gains. The Democrats (large "D") won those races. Good for us. High time we won. But, what really, did we win? Think about it for a second. We won a bunch of seats in Governors' Mansions, the House of Representitives, and the Senate. "D"emocrats won those seats, but did "d"emocrats? Not in most cases.

You see, even with the "tidal wave" of this election, ballot initiatives for Gay Marriage and for Stem Cell Research were all defeated in this election. If you are even thinking of trying to live legally with your spouse and are the same sex as he is or she is, you're outta luck. Have you got a disease (or love someone who does) that needs a cure badly... say, Parkinsons or Alzheimers or MS? You're outta luck there, too. Your fellow Americans don't give a sh*t. They'd rather let all those stem cells expire in the deep-freeze than help you out because they have potential for life. Uh-huh. They don't give a rat's a** about your potential for life. It's easier for them to care about something frozen than a real person. That's the America that held yesterday's election. In the privacy of the voting booth, the real America voted yesterday. I have to face that now. We all do.

Oh, just shut up, TC! Can't you just leave us in peace to even enjoy this moment? ---- Sure I can. But, while you're celebrating the wins of all those "centrist" Democrats last night, just remember, "centrist" is Democratic-ese for "conservative". I hope you can pause mid-Mardi Gras to consider what that means. It means we now that we may have more Democrats in our government, but those Democrats are more apt to cross the aisle and vote with the other side more often than you might want to admit... at least more often than they do, even now. There was a lot of consiliatory talk last night about bi-partisanship and "reaching across the aisle", because in giving this group of Democrats their mandate, we also gave their conservative views and values a mandate. This Party became America's Conservative Party last night. So, we now have an Extremist Party, and a Conservative Party as our two-party government. When it became obvious that my old time Lefty values and beliefs were not the things America and this Democratic Party wanted or respected any longer, I rolled up my sleeves and worked as hard as I could for yesterday's victory. I helped give us all a victory that brought with it a Party that it was apparent most Democrats wanted. I did that so that I could retire from politics quietly, and regret what could have been at my own leisure. It's obvious I am now a dinosaur, and my values are not wanted or needed by the Party I worked for all my life. It's sad, but it's reality. I'm a grown-up, so I deal with reality all the time. Imagine the Democratic nominee in 2008, and the hold-your-nose-and-think-of-the-Party bullsh*t I and those like me will have to swallow in order to vote for him/her. I'm through gagging mid-vote, or feeling like I need a shower after I vote, so a quiet retirement looks good to me now. I'm just not sure if the "quiet" part will come in increments (sort of a tapering-off) or all at once. I think I need a few days of rest and reflection before I can decide, but the "retirement" is a sure-thing.

So, congratulations to the Democrats... even the New Democrats. You are the winners. Feel the power.

TC
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:25 AM
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1. Spot on
Looking from the outside, you're spot on - the Extremist and the Conservative party. 12 Dem votes in senate and 32 in the house for Bush's military tribunals and suspending habeas corpus. There is so little to cheer about.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:29 AM
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2. Excellent, TC. Once again, you're spot on.\nt
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:29 AM
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3. INCREDIBLY thoughtful post, thank you.
:hi:
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:41 AM
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4. People at DU did a wonderful job
of activating the voters..........we all did our part......either by foot , on phones or on the internet.......we spoke the "truth" and citizens listened to US................we spoke the truth about the lies and cover-ups on this GOP party.............
We brought down Delay...... Nye.....Foley.........and we focused attention to the corruption................we proved the Lies about Iraq............

Yes, we the people got the "truth" out...........without much help from the media.......expect for "keith".......God Bless him.........he was our Truth-teller..........\

Now........we have to work Damn hard to clean this mess that bush and the GOP'ers made...........It'll take time.........but we can do it.............
the People of this country are counting on all of us.................Lets show them......we are Not all Talk.........but "Doers'
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:49 AM
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5. Seriously? On the freaking day after the election?
"You see, even with the "tidal wave" of this election, ballot initiatives for Gay Marriage and for Stem Cell Research were all defeated in this election."

What you don't mention is that, for the first time ever, a gay marriage BAN failed (in Arizona). And I don't know what stem-cell research bill you're talking about, but the one in Missouri won. I think, for the most part, voters just aren't interested in codifying gay marriage either way.

Meanwhile, look at one of the biggest, and earliest, Democratic upsets of last night -- John Yarmuth's win in Kentucky's 3rd district. A red district. A candidate that received little funding from the DCCC because they didn't think he could win -- too liberal. But he's on his way to Washington.

Who exactly are these conservative Democrats you're talking about? Are you talking about out west -- some of the most fertile territory for future Democratic gains -- where Harry Mitchell took over J.D. Hayworth's seat (that's Harry Mitchell, who campaigned on a pro-stem-cell research platform)

Or maybe you're talking about the few gains made in the South? Maybe Ron Klein -- whom I proudly voted for -- who unseated a 12-term Republican congressman after leading the opposition in the state senate and successfully halting Republican attempts to trash the state's school-classroom-size amendment?

Or maybe you're talking about "The Killing Fields" -- places like Ohio and Pennsylvania and New York that saw multiple Democratic pickups? Maybe you're talking about Kirsten Gillibrand, who successfully unseated right-wing Neanderthal John Sweeney by combining calls for small government to woo away moderates in a mostly red district with a call for redeploying in Iraq?

Maybe you're talking about the incoming House leadership? People like Pelosi and Conyers?

What is this party that you worked for all your life? Because I swear, I'm looking at the same thing as you, and yet I'm seeing something entirely different.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:57 AM
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6. It's just my opinion. Please don't lecture me.
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 11:00 AM by Totally Committed
I stayed up as late as you did and watched it all. I know what happened.

Conyers will be great, and Kennedy will keep on keeping on. I am not optomistic about the direction of this Party, however, and I have the right to say so.

And, I have the right because I held my nose, pitched in, and worked as hard as I could to give this Party the win. I think I was a good sport, considering how I was really feeling.

The Arizona Ballot Initiative win was an oversight, and I am really happy for it.

Yes, Democrats won. And, they won in places they wouldn't have before. It says as much about what candidates we ran, and their stances and stripes as much as it does about the Bushies.

Please allow me my feelings. I am not criticizing you or anyone for yours. I respect the same respect in return. Thanks.

TC
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:05 AM
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8. That's wonderful that you see everything as a success.
We'll see if any of those people make any effort at all to stand up for GLBT people.

We have a long history of standing on the sidelines watching straight allies celebrate while we get kicked. We'll have reason to celebrate when the democratic party actually does something, anything, to support our civil rights.

Until we see some actual support, we have democrats in power but nobody representing us.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:04 AM
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7. Excellent post. Well said.
We lost, and I don't think our straight allies are going to bother to notice, much less care. :(
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:21 AM
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9. This post won't be complete without this
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:25 AM
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10. Self delete.
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 11:39 AM by ThomCat
I overreacted. I'm sorry.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:28 AM
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11. Wait a Minute, Who was insukting you???????????????
That pic was in relation to the title of this thread. How in the world di you take this as an insult and what's with all the namecalling.

So what I have a low post count. How does that make me a troll?

What's wrong with you?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:30 AM
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12. You posted that in response to me.
And I, most certainly, am not a crybaby.

If you simply posted in the wrong spot and intended to post this under the OP then I apologize for jumping on you.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:36 AM
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13. I just hit reply
Maybe it's because I have a low post count, I'm not as fluent with the functions of this board as others are.:shrug:

Even though it's a reply to you how would you think that I was saying you were a crybaby when the pic has the word "Republican" on it?

You guys........

Please ask before jumping down someone's throat and especially before accusing someone of being a troll.

My Goodness
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:40 AM
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14. It's okay.... Let's say it's a reply to my OP.
I can take it and actually laughed when I saw it.

This happened just because you were reading his post when you hit reply. If you clicked on the OP and then hit reply, it would have placed correctly. Don't worry, you'll catch on.

Thanks for the reply, anyway!


TC
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:42 AM
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15. Thanks TC
I guess I'll catch on to things eventually. Kinda tough being the new kid on the block. :)
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:46 AM
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16. No worries...
I was even worse than I am now when I had your number of posts... Your're doing great. Keep on posting. It gets easier.

TC
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:05 PM
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17. Those ballot issues never had a chance anyway.
Not in what was yesterday, and still is, George's Amerika.

The right wing has shaped the entire debate around these issues for a long time now, leaving no room for counter-arguments. Now, finally, the Democrats have the ability to make their points of view heard. And as they do, the public's awareness will increase.

What happened yesterday was not a victory, not really; the idealogical conflict in the US will probably never end. But for most of the past decade, the Democratic Party has been lying on the sand bleeding, getting kicked repeatedly in the ribs and head. Now it's gotten up and re-armed itself. The fight could still go either way, but there is hope now where there wasn't any before.
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