DC EVENT.... March 17th, plans to deface the Vietnam Memorial ?

[FogerRox]

I have heard thru thru grapevine that there are plans to deface the Vietnam Memorial on March 17th.


Don't do it.

If this is just a rumor forgive me. I am not a vet, but would consider joining others to protect the Vietnam memorial.

The simlpe idea of defacing any vets memorial is unthinkable. Period.

I hope I am over-reacting.

[Olney Blue]

1. Where did you hear that rumor? That's awful.

[BayCityProgressive]

3. this is what trhe

pro-war demonstrators are claiming. Hogwash.

[Olney Blue]

7. Hogwash.

Is that you, Dick? :evilgrin:

[FogerRox]

15. A Vietnam ( Get out of Iraq NOW) vet frwrd me an email

He is a friend, PDA, DFA, Anti War as they come.


"The March 17 demonstration will assemble at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (Constitution Gardens) at 12 noon in Washington, D.C.and march to the Pentagon."

Isn't it illegal to demonstrate at a memorial?

http://answer.pephost.org/site/News2?abbr=ANS_&page=NewsArticle&id=8107

[Bucky]

21. I smell an urban legend. Time to check Scopes for this bullshit

Sounds like a variation on the ol' hippies-spitting-on-Vietnam-vets rumor. Different asshole, same old shit.

[Bucky]

23. I mean "Snopes" of course

Having checked both Snopes.com and Scopes.com, I see that they don't have it yet. But I still say this is an urban legend.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Yes you are over-reacting. Many of us have fathers and brothers

who have fought in the Vietnam War.

IMO, it's right wing smarmy spin bullshit!

[FogerRox]

17. In any case the Vets in my area are planning to be there

They are mostly the "Get out now" types.


I just had the thought of a bunch of 60+ yr old Vietnam vets , locked elbow to elbow, circling the Vietnam memorial, facing down a bunch of youngins.....

[Robbien]

4. That sounds like freeper trash talking

Only a freeper would think anyone would trash a veteran's memorial.

[Morgana LaFey]

25. Or an agent provocateur -- an FBI plant or black ops military type

trying to foment things for which the group can be arrested and manhandled, discredited, pitted against one another.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. I can't imagine this happening. n/t

[mike_c]

6. I heard thru the grapevine that pigs will fly out of Hillary's ass...

...in shame on March 17 for her role in authorizing the war against Iraq. Funny thing, that grapevine.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Have you been listening to rightwing talk radio again?

Change the station!

[BlueJac]

9. Turn the dial............

[BayCityProgressive]

11. if it happens

it will be done by someone working for the government or right wingers. End of story.

[The Wizard]

20. If you're there

and see someone defacing any memorial pin them to the ground and say the culprit took a swing at you.

[fed-up]

10. why even post such an obviously false rw rumor??? (unless to give it legs?) n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. My first thought, as well. n/t

MKJ

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

13. Seems to be throw the flamebait and run tactic. n/t

MKJ

[FogerRox]

18. Or Lunch.

[ShortnFiery]

14. We LIBERALS honor our Soldiers! Remember McGovern was a WWII decorated combat veteran? n/t

[FogerRox]

16. Thats right IRCC 35 missions.

[Bucky]

22. Or let's count the Vietnam vets in Congress to see how many are GOP or Dems

Then let's count the Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2 vets in Congress by party. I think you'll find the Democrats coming out way way ahead.

[high density]

19. That's what it sounds like to me

Like those bullshit emails about Target, etc.

[AnnieBW]

24. Here's What Just Came Across From Cindy:

Unfortunately, I'll be on my way out of town on that day. :(

Feb 11, 2007

Rightest America Haters

In Search of Peace
Cindy Sheehan
I have received this warning in my in-box from friends who are telling me to "be careful:"
February 08, 2007
Protecting the Vietnam Memorial from Leftist America Haters
Apparently Saint Cindy "my firstborn was killed for the PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel"* Sheehan is going to march on the Vietnam Memorial with Hanoi Jane in order to protest the Iraq War. Unfortunately, she will be met by patriotic American Vets. And by patriotic, I mean the kind that actually root for the U.S. to win its wars.
U.S. Veterans Dispatch:

Leftist activists who march to the Pentagon next month will discover that their path won't be as clear as it has been in the past.
The group, led by Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda, Ramsey Clark and their ilk, plan to gather March 17 at the Vietnam Memorial Wall to begin a march to protest America's involvement in the Iraq war. The date marks the fourth anniversary of the war's beginning.
This time, however, protestors will see objectors if they spit on Iraqi veterans again, or throw paint on a war memorial. This time, they will encounter a buzz saw of Vietnam veterans and supporters who will gather to protect the Wall, and show their support for U.S. troops. The counter-protestors are calling themselves the Gathering of Eagles.

HT: Bill Faith
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186464.php
This so called "Gathering of Eagles" have taken the sacrifices of such good hearted and naive people like my son, Casey, who was lied to by his recruiter and had to follow orders from a deranged Commander in Chief and made these sacrifices obscene.
I have a few comments to these self-proclaimed patriots:
Firstly, if you really believed in this country and what you ostensibly "fought for" and what the over 58,000 Americans whose names are on the Vietnam Memorial died for, then you would be coming to DC to protect the march on March 17th. You would be there to make sure that our First Amendment rights were guarded and, even if you disagreed with what we were saying, you would cherish our right to do so.
Secondly, we will be joined by many Iraq Veterans (not Iraqi...they are Americans, not Iraqis) and Veterans for Peace who realize that the occupation of Iraq is illegal and immoral. I have never spat on anything. I have never thrown paint on anything. I wonder which propaganda for profit news source these "Eagles" get their information from?
Thirdly, do you wish that the Iraq War Memorial have 58,000 names on it? Another generation of young people lost and families destroyed for lies? How can you "root" for America to win a war that was lost before the invasion? You were abused and misused in your war of choice when this cowardly administration used every means possible to avoid serving over in that abominable war zone.
We "leftists" love our country so much that we are willing to sacrifice much to try and make her better. The America that I am working for will not invade other countries in wars of aggression to commit crimes against humanity. The America that I am struggling for will not use weapons of mass destruction such as white phosphorous and agent orange on innocent civilians. The America that my son died for will not torture people to get compromised information and further endanger our troops in the field. The America that I am giving my entire life for does not cut VA benefits after sending soldiers to do and witness unspeakable things in war and will not abandon mentally or physically wounded troops.
The America that I long for is one that uses her strength to mediate conflict in the world peacefully, and not bullying force to show how really weak that we are.
To the "Gathering of Eagles" I would like to remind you all of the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And, poor misguided, brainwashed and propagandized, "Eagles" may I remind you of your service oath:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
I realize that it is certainly dichotomous to obey the President of the United States when he is an enemy to the Constitution, but your Uniform Code of Military Justice also requires you to disobey illegal orders.
This war in Iraq is illegal by our own Constitution and international law and immoral by all just war theories.
We will be there on March 17th and our love of America and our love of humanity will propel us forward to march that day and work the next towards peace and justice.
We would love it if you would join us on that day thereby fulfilling the oath that I know you took with pride and honor, as did my son, over 3100 other brave young Americans and the tens of thousands of names on that tragic wall of death.
Please help us shorten the length of the next wall.

Go to Cindys Blog "In Search of Peace" to comment
In Search of Peace is a series of reflections on Cindy's journey towards true and lasting peace.
Also Please visit Gold Star Mom Amy Branhams blog, Amy's Head


In Peace, Gold Star Families for Peace

DONATE to help SUPPORT the work of Cindy and GSFP

[Morgana LaFey]

26. Thanks so much for posting that

She sure does speak with the voice of moral authority, doesn't she? Amazing woman.

[Fatima]

30. Be Very Careful

There will be a large contingent of pro-war veterans there who are itching for a fight. Go to the gathering of eagles website forum. They claim to be non-partisan but are as partisan as you can get, and many of the people posting there seem to want to get "up-front" and personal.

I avoid these things because while I am against this war, I belong to a number of veterans groups and found it to be wise to keep political opinions to myself...but that is my choice.

If you go up there, stay away from the eagles, avoid the war memorials (I understand the wall will be cordoned off anyway), it will bring nothing but trouble and justify (in their minds) what these people believe about war resisters.

[HuffleClaw]

32. and likely 70% never served a day in a uniform

unless the 'uniform' had golden arches on it, but they sure like to wear those fatigues they bought at the army/navy store.

[Cerridwen]

27. It's a rw 'fire up the troops' type of rumor to get their guys out in

response to the protest. It is effective and it is working.

This is the kind of thing protest organizers dread because the potential for violence increases dramatically.

Now, I can only hope that the organizers are 1) good 2) aware of the scuttlebutt 3) and experienced enough to know how to deal with this.

This could become very ugly.

[karynnj]

28. If anything, I have heard many antiwar people

repeating what Senator Kerry has said for almost a year - that half the names on the Vietnam War memorial were names of those killed after the policy was known to be wrong.

The Vietnam War Wall is unigue in that it does not honor the war, but the soldiers that died. It is as much an anti-war monument as a pro-war momument.

[burrowowl]

29. Sounds like RW crap!

Here in ABQ a lot of the demostrators and organizers are Veterns for Peace and Vietnam Vets.

[Marnieworld]

31. And after that let's spit on some Vets

:sarcasm: for any rushbots reading.

I'm sure this is a made-up rumor by someone who wants to paint anti-war protesters as against the troops or Vets. Total BS.

[Bryn]

33. My Beloved Brother's Name is on that Wall

I'd be very upset. :cry:

[Trajan]

34. As a Liberal I view such an act as absolute treason ....

Those men died in much the same way, and through the same lies, as those dying today ....

We honor their service by respecting their memories, not defacing them ...

This is RW malarkey .... PURE Bullshit ....

I know of NO Liberal who would do such a thing ....

In fact, the Liberal Vets I know would STOP such a transgression ....

This is obviously a RW wet dream turned into an email .... Imagine that .....