Biden and Wyden ... what did I just hear? (re: Iran)

[Stinky The Clown]

I was on the phone. When I got off and unmuted the teevee, there was Sen. Hairplugz saying "...... let me repeat that. The resolution speicifically forbids you to go into Iran and we will fight you on that point if you choose to ignore it."

The newzreaderdujour then went to a live remote with Ron Wyden, and asked him if he agreed with Biden. Wyden said he strongly agreed with Biden and that the Dems would fight any incursion into Iran .........

I like the sound of all this .... but also have a question ........ what was Hairplugz talking about? The old IWR? Some new resolution? Some bill they are currently working on?

[Stinky The Clown]

1. Thanks for the two noms .... but what about an answer?

What were they talking about? I've not heard a followup in the few hours since first hearing this.

As I said, my teevee was on mute and I missed the first part of this exchange so I don't know what they were talking about.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

11. Get thyself some TIVO or DVR

Got DVR with my satellite Teevee and its great. You can back up and replay any part of a show you are watching over and over and over. You can set it up to record shows. I record Olberman and skip the commercials when I watch it. No more stress about getting home in time to see him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. The IWR was a resolution to go into IRAQ ONLY. Initially, the Neo-Cons wanted a resolution to attack

ANY COUNTRY they thought was a threat to the U.S. That was changed and he was given a resolution for Iraq and Iraq ONLY.

[blm]

2. Remember back during IWR, there were Dems negotiating Iran and Syria OFF the table as

part of the condition for their yes vote. The shame is that they get little to no credit for that.

Those who voted yes based on that condition will feel they have the greenlight to spill the beans on what went down then, and the promises Bush made.

[Bandit]

4. Yes Bush* wanted the Resolution to cover the entire Mid-East

They took out that wording and made it applicable to Iraq and Iraq only...and now at this time and date none of the qualifications for the original Resolution are valid.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Thanks for the explanation .......

....... and the mental nudge. I recall all that now.

[ShortnFiery]

7. Yes, and paragraph 6 of Biden's Iraqi Plan is very educational.

"6. The Plan is in the self-interest of Iran.

Iran likes it exactly as it is in Iraq - with the United States bogged down and bleeding. But the prospect of a civil war in Iraq is not in Tehran's interest: it could easily spill over Iraq's borders and turn into a regional war with neighbors intervening on opposing sides and exacerbating the Sunni-Shiite divide at a time Shiite Iran is trying to exert leadership in the Islamic world. Iran also would receive large refugee flows as Iraqis flee the fighting. Iran, like all of Iraq's neighbors, has an interest in Iraq remaining unified and not splitting into independent states. Iran does not want to see an independent Kurdistan emerge and serve as an example for its own restive 5 million Kurds. That's why Iran - and all of Iraq's neighbors -- can and should be engaged to support a political settlement in Iraq."

In other words, it is NOT in Iran's interest to ATTACK the USA, even in Iraq. Any objective American can only conclude that Dimson wants to get his war on and bringing THREE carrier groups to the Persian Gulf "just might" entice Iran to be stupid. I don't think so. Therefore, what do our PNACers within The Unitary Executive have planned? They must have SOMETHING to send all those ships to the Persian Gulf. :shrug:

[MissWaverly]

15. also, Shia are a minority of the islamic people

they are only 20% of the islamic world, why would they want to piss off the other 80% by
dumping on Sunnis, they are not attacking Sunnis, they are not attacking Shia who they
share a bond with, they are not behind the IED bombings of our troops, this is another
smoke and mirrors war just like Iraq.

[AtheistInBabylon]

3. No

No, not the old IWR, I think he was probably referring to his effort to introduce a resolution opposing escalation in Iraq, and by extension Iran. Go to www.joebiden.com for details as to what he´s doing with that.

[ShortnFiery]

6. With Three Carrier Groups soon to be in place within the Persian Gulf,

any resolution that would tell our Idiot King that bombing Iran is FORBIDDEN is aces with me.

Dear Congress, NOW more than ever ---> let's make it STICK this time? :thumbsup:

[Blue_In_AK]

8. Feeling better, H2S? n/t

[onenote]

9. aren't you supposed to be resting? Glad you're feeling better!!

[Doctor_J]

10. If the Dems succeed in preventing invasion of Iraq, will the GOP

LIHAOP so they can say, "See? We were right. We didn't fight them over here, so here they are"?

it certainly isn't beneath them.

[fooj]

12. You are supposed to be taking it easy, my friend.

Your wife will ream us a new one (and deservedly so) if she catches you on your puter. LOL!!!

PLEASE---take good care and follow doctor's orders. We all love you here at DU and we want you to STAY healthy. Listen to Sparkly...she loves you very much.

:hi:

[slipslidingaway]

13. Iran Freedom Support Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Freedom_and_Support_Act


President Applauds Congress for Passage of Iran Freedom Support Act

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060930-4.html

"My Administration is working on many fronts to address the challenges posed by the Iranian regime's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, support for terrorism, efforts to destabilize the Middle East, and repression of the fundamental human rights of the citizens of Iran. We are engaged in intense diplomacy alongside our allies, and have also undertaken financial measures to counter the actions of the Iranian regime.

I applaud Congress for demonstrating its bipartisan commitment to confronting the Iranian regime's repressive and destabilizing activities by passing the Iran Freedom Support Act. This legislation will codify U.S. sanctions on Iran while providing my Administration with flexibility to tailor those sanctions in appropriate circumstances and impose sanctions upon entities that aid the Iranian regime's development of nuclear weapons.

I applaud the efforts of Chairman Richard Shelby, Ranking Member Paul Sarbanes, Rick Santorum and Bill Nelson in the Senate and Chairman Henry Hyde, Ranking Member Tom Lantos, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and Gary Ackerman in the House. I look forward to signing this bill into law, which will facilitate America's support for the Iranian people in their efforts to build a just, free, and peaceful society."



Steppingstone to War

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8914

House passes 'Iran Freedom Support Act'

"It is "a steppingstone to war," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, during the debate over the so-called Iran Freedom Support Act, and if this vote is any measure of the degree of congressional opposition to the looming prospect of war with Tehran, then we have a lot to worry about.

Only 21 members of the House stood up against the overwhelming bipartisan wave of support for the bill, which would impose economic sanctions on the Iranians – and openly proclaims the goal of effecting "regime change." Rep. Ron Paul, a Texas Republican, said the bill reminds him of a 1998 congressional resolution – the Iraq Liberation Act – that paved the way for the Iraqi debacle...


.....While the Iran Freedom Support Act contains language explicitly disavowing the charge that it represents a blank check for war with Iran, that is precisely what it does. It sets the stage for isolating Iran economically and paves the way for the creation of an Iranian version of Ahmed Chalabi and his "heroes in error." We will, once again, pay for the privilege of being lied to. As that old Peter, Paul, and Mary song goes: "When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?"..."


In edit...wishing you a swift recovery.

[calimary]

14. You're back! Shouldn't you still be taking it easy, though?

Nevertheless, I'm glad you're back and posting again. Always enjoy what you add in here!

:toast: - to your health!!!

[texpatriot2004]

16. Hey Hub, did you get an answer? I just got home and I am

curious?

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Yes .... see BLM's reply, number 2, above.

[BlueIris]

19. Dude, don't give yourself another one. Watch CSI or something.

And could someone PLEASE make Joe Biden SHUT UP????