How about this: Gore / Kerry 2008

[garybeck]

Kerry's getting a new breath of life it seems with all these swift boaters coming to terms with their lies lately.

There's an advantage to having candidates who have "been through the ringer" and know what kind of dirty tricks to expect. No more deer in the headlights from either of these guys.

I was not a fan of how Kerry capitulated to easily when there was evidence of fraud, but I think this team could help put us on the right track of "righting a wrong" both symbolically and in reality as well.

Gore will always be my #1 pick and I've been leaning towards Clark for a running mate. But with all the recent hubbub about the swift boat lies being more recognized it has me thinking Kerry could be a strong running mate. (todays fine to the 527 and yesterday's statement by a swiftboat contributor that Kerry is a "hero)

it would be the ultimate vindication, because THEY BOTH WON.

[ThomCat]

1. I can't imagine any former Presidential contender

agreeing to run for VP. That's like publicly announcing that your political stature has fallen.

[garybeck]

9. going from Senator to Vice President is not a demotion. n/t

[imfreaky]

2. I can't imagine a former front runner wanting to play in a

"supporting role". That being said I think Al Gore will jump in at the last minute. At least that's what the crystal ball is telling me. Or, magic 8 ball.

[MADem]

3. Kerry won't be a bridesmaid. Fuggedaboutit.

Besides, it's too "2 tall white guys" for the 21st century. Gore can win MA, and the liberal northeast without Kerry's help. There's no "value added."

At least one person on the ticket will either be from the South, or the West, or have connections that extend to those locales, so that they are claimed by states in those sectors. Or maybe both.

[Forkboy]

4. Please,I beg you,not that.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Has it ever happened that a presidential candidate becomes a VP candidate next election?

:shrug:

[Mass]

6. As much as I would like that, it will not happen.

Not running for president of VP does not mean you are dead. There are important things to do elsewhere, you know.

Kerry has said that he would run for Senate, which is the reason why he will not run. Except if you consider people like Byrd and Kennedy as dead, he does not need a new breath of life.

I wished politics in this country was not so much about stardom, but about doing what is right!

It is my feeling that Gore and Kerry have chosen to do what is right rather than trying to become stars.

[liberal N proud]

7. Gore would be good, not so sure about Kerry

[Mass]

8. Kerry would be good, but it still will not happen.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Dumb

Looks bitter. great for the base, which is bitter. Everyone else? not so much.

[Peace Patriot]

11. I was arguing for Gore/Kerry some months ago as the full "Restoration" ticket...

And it has many things to recommend it--I thought I made an extremely strong case for restoring ORDER in this country--but I developed some reservations about Kerry, even though I am convinced that he won (or perhaps I should say "we" won) the 2004 election. My reservations have to do with Kerry's recent handling of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. He doesn't seem to have learned how to handle them--and he really, really needs to do that. Learn how to handle them. They can be lethal if you don't punch them right back in the face--a difficult choice, but sometimes necessary (difficult because it means you spend lots of energy "defending" yourself on their ground, against their stupid, trumped up crap). Or, you have to lead with your own integrity, develop a kind of immunity to them, and give them the finger all at the same time (as Gore has). Remember all the unbelievably mindless crap the war profiteering corporate news monopolies threw up about Gore--that he is "stiff," that he didn't invent the internet, that he'd been groomed on being an "alpha" male, etc. etc. etc.? He exited politics, developed into a passionate and brilliant speaker--not that evident in his movie, by the way--but his speeches have been stunning. He returned to his roots--what got him into politics in the first place, his early understanding of global warming--ignored all the glitz (and mud) and pursued that passion with a single-mindedness that has, in fact, turned the country completely around on the global warming issue.

Upshot: Kerry has allowed himself to become tainted by the extremely corrosive world of DC/Bushite politics. It's very hard to climb out of that toxic stew, once it starts eating your flesh. And he seems to lack the--what is it?--the native integrity that Gore has? These are very general statements, I know. And I'm not really anti-Kerry. It may be that he is a man of great integrity, who has just been smeared by these bastards so thoroughly (and on nothing...NOTHING!), that he can't recover. But my point is that the next President and Vice President of the United States MUST be able to recover. They are going to face truly unprecedented crises on every front, due to the criminality and maladministration of this regime. They need to be DIFFERENT. They need to be solidly grounded. They need to take no shit. They need to LEAD--and NOT permit themselves to be tortured by lying, deceitful, petty scandalmongering. They need to be "above it all," in that sense. And Gore has it, and Kerry doesn't seem to.

When you combine that RECENT perception--recent gaffes that Kerry has permitted them to run with--with his allowing himself to be "handled" by Terry McAuliffe and Christopher Dodd, and other traitors to this country, and to the Democratic Party (I'm thinking particularly about Bushite controlled electronic voting machines), and his lack of fight back on Nov. 3, 2004 (even though I believe that he was trapped--couldn't challenge with no Dem Party backing), it adds up to a big ?????? about Kerry. Can he, a) act as second to Gore (who obviously would take top spot on the ticket--if, for no other reason, than his 8 years of experience in the executive branch)?, and b) do what the VP candidate needs to do DURING THE CAMPAIGN? (--he would be an absolutely brilliant VP, no question in my mind; but candidate is another matter; VP candidate needs to be part henchman, part flak-catcher).

Having said all this, I think there is still a very strong argument for a Gore/Kerry ticket: THE "Restoration" ticket. This country needs HEALING. It particularly needs healing in the area of the PEOPLES' will being done. These two men WERE the Peoples' choices--denied to us by vile stolen elections and a fascist junta. And they are both highly intelligent men who would attract the best of the best to their administration. I think Gore is the potential candidate with the most authority, stature, and groundedness, to do what is necessary. With Gore in charge, it would be a positive and very pointed restoration of lawful government. He has articulated the principles of constitutional government--and the sense of decency and ethics required--in speech after speech, on the war, on torture, on many central issues. And I think Gore would use Kerry well. I think this ticket would blow the Bushite voting machines out of the water. They would be elected by an overwhelming landslide and inaugurated amidst the cries of joy of the American people. At last--at last!--we get OUR choice!

This is NOT to say that some of the others couldn't do it--win, and govern well. I think Clark, Edwards and Obama all have strengths. So does Kucinich, although he tragically lacks screen presence (necessary no matter which way you decide to use the media). But none of these are tried and true, tested politicians--known quantities--with the steadiness that Gore conveys, for top spot. I don't mean to dis them. I'm just laying out GENERAL impressions, that I think are current among the American people, that will likely be important both for winning and for governing.

[longship]

12. Running mate is gonna be a woman or a minority.

If Gore runs, there's no way he's going to ask Kerry to be his running mate.

It'll be somebody like Obama, or Sebelius, or Napolitano, or somebody like that.

I'd put bank on Sebelius.

[Ninja Jordan]

13. How about no.

Horrible idea.

[catgirl]

14. They would make a powerful team

And seeing Gore won first, it makes sense that he serves first.
I don't think Kerry would have a problem with that.

[Peace Patriot]

18. I agree with that, Catgirl. This is not a normal country right now. The circumstances

are very unusual. We face an unprecedented constitutional crisis--among many other crises. And it's going to take very unusual talent and brilliance--and strength--to deal with it all. If Gore enters the race as a unity candidate--or gets drafted at the convention--I have enough faith in Kerry to believe that he would put aside any ego issues about taking the VP spot. It would not be a normal VP spot. It would be a UNITY ticket--a RESTORATION ticket. And I do believe that Gore--having BEEN VP for 8 years--would be particularly smart about using his VP well, giving him lots of authority and responsibility. Kerry, with all his Senate experience, would preside over the Senate, as V-P--a particularly good place for him to be, to lead the Gore-Kerry agenda in Congress.

Another interesting choice for Gore's VP would be Nancy Pelosi--the avante garde leader of the anti-Bush forces. She's handled herself well, in a very dicey position--with an out-of-control president/vice president, and not enough strength in Congress to impeach them (due to many factors--Diebold/ES&S vote stealing; and the fact that only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection this time). She's quite admirable--a great persona. Regional "balance" may be an issue re Pelosi. But, once again, these are unusual times. The "south" may like a strong woman. (Remember the phrase "steel magnolias"?)

[rox63]

15. I would love to see this ticket! n/t

[PresidentObama]

16. It'd be a great team.

A lot of people would argue both Gore and Kerry didn't run great campaigns. But as they've showed us in the years passing their 'loss' they come back stronger then ever, and more dedicated then ever. When Gore lost, he took his time and came back fighting against the war and this administration's poor policy in that region. And then he began to speak heavily on global warming again, and of course the rest is history. Since Kerry's 'loss' he's really been out there and working hard. He was the biggest fundraiser for Democrats in '06 of any other politician. And we all saw Kerry's response to the botched joke, going on the attack of those who tried to corner him like they did in 2004. And this week with the Fox nomination, we saw that Kerry isn't going to let idiots like that get away with attacking him with dirty politics anymore.

All in all, both have ran Presidential campaigns and came up empty handed. They know what they did wrong, and know how to fix it. I think they'd make a strong ticket, but not a likely one. First off, is Gore running? God, I hope so. But we don't know. Second of all, I don't know he'd pick Kerry. Fear of the GOP picking them apart as the two former Democratic nominees might make him think otherwise, if he decides to run!!

I like the sound of Gore/Kerry though. But I'm a little biased ;)

[Apollo11]

17. GORE OBAMA 2008

Kerry ran for Prez in 2004. There's no way he would run for VP in 2008.

Gore-Obama would be my dream ticket at this point. But I could see Kerry serving as Secretary of State or another senior cabinet position.

Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Read Al's blog: http://blog.algore.com/2007/02/our_next_step.html

Help Al Gore lobby Congress: www.algore.com/cards.html

Get ready for Live Earth on 7/7/07: www.liveearth.org

Sign the petitions at www.algore.org and www.draftgore.com

:kick:

[Labors of Hercules]

34. Think Gore would choose Obama?

Dunno why I just feel like he'd pick someone else.

What are the rules about who can be chosen as a VP candidate anyway?

[Darkhawk32]

19. I think that would be apropo. Two cheated contenders teaming together to slay the GOP beast.

I don't understand how people that think that they both won their respective elections could turn around a say that don't deserve to be on the ticket. They were cheated. They should've been President and if they teamed together, I'd be fucking jazzed.

[Learn2Swim]

20. PLEASE no... nm

[dfgrbac]

21. Al Gore did great work with An Inconvenient Truth!

Now I'd like to hear him tell us the truth about Iraq like Mike Gravel does.

[Labors of Hercules]

35. Gore/Gravel?

hmmm... has a nice ring to it! :smoke:

[dfgrbac]

37. Gravel / Gore

Gravel / Gore sounds even better!:applause:

[politicasista]

22. I like that ticket!

I know TPTB in the Democratic Party won't let it happen. :(

[greenbriar]

23. I have said all along it is what we deserve

and want

Gore/Kerry~poetic justice 2008

[Greyhound]

24. Hmm, 2 white guys that have both conceded to highly questionable election

results without a fight, one of whom has stated he is not running, neither of which was able to turn even one "red" state, sounds like an ideal ticket, for the Republi-cons.

[PresidentObama]

25. With all due respect, this is coming from someone with...

....Kucinich in his sig line.

How many states do you think Dennis would win? :eyes:

EDIT: I like Kucinich, BTW. But it's a fair point to make to counter someone with him in their sig line. Being as if he was the nominee, we'd be crushed like a soda can!!

[Greyhound]

30. I'm supporting the only candidate that has stated clearly what he intends

to do and how he can do it, I have no illusions about this chances of getting through the rigged primary process, and will be shocked if I get the opportunity to vote for him by the time our primary comes. Nevertheless, he's the only current candidate that is not simply a corporate whore, looking for the highest bidder, to sell out their constituents.

I do think (perhaps naively) that if he got an opportunity to be heard by everyone, he would have a lot more support than is currently conventional wisdom. Remember, the progressives (liberals, loony left, whatever) have, throughout history, have always been proved right in the end.

[PresidentObama]

33. So if Kucinich loses it means it was rigged? Ah, ok gotcha n/t

[Greyhound]

36. No, that's not what I said, nor is it what I meant.

and I think you know it.

Maybe it would be helpful if you spent less time listening to the media and more time talking with people, you seem to have an image of Americans as the useful conservative idiots the M$M wants to portray, I don't share that opinion. While they certainly aren't the brightest population on earth, they do want better for themselves and their posterity.

[LittleClarkie]

26. BOTH conceded without a fight? What do you think Gore was doing in Florida?

picking his nose?

[Greyhound]

31. It was his (and by his I mean his campaign, I don't know if he personally made the decision)

to do the selective county re-count, which opened the door to the court battle, which in turn, lead to the SCOTUS. He didn't even win his own state.

BTW, he still isn't running.:crazy:

[jefferson_dem]

27. Double no. Thanks. Instead, let's do Obama - Webb...

Cheers.

[PresidentObama]

29. Webb should stay right where he is n/t

[FrenchieCat]

28. If Gore goes against expectations that he himself is setting....

and decided to run, then he would have a great number of wonderful choices as Vice President, including John Kerry.

But as long as we understand that we are unable to advocate a "ticket" because the Vice President is selected by the nominee and not by us, this conversation happening a year out prior to the firt vote cast and prior to Gore even remotely close to hinting at a run, than we can talk all we want, although nothing we say means much of anything at this point.

and so, for that reason, I fail to understand how the advocation of any particular ticket is realistic, in particular with the one heading the ticket is saying that he won't run.

Plus, I believe that the corporate media had much more to do with the choices Democratic Nominees make on who the Veep will be....or at least they did on Gore's choice of Lieberman and Kerry's choice of Edwards.

[wisteria]

32. I could go for that- I don't think it is realist, but it certainly sounds nice. n/t