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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:30 PM
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Gene Lyons: "Clinton’s clearly this campaign’s Beltway pinata, a calculating phony like Gore"
Lest anybody tell you different: ALL candidates are consumed with ambition; ALL seek power; ALL have formidable egos. Nobody who didn’t could survive the ordeal. Furthermore, ALL political events are stage-managed to the maximum extent possible. Even if they appear on “Oprah,” they’re not there to bare their souls.

An American presidential campaign is the ultimate “reality TV” show. It follows that the anchorcreatures and pundits who bring it to your living room use it to advance their own careers, often by substituting made-for-TV plots and themes for the humdrum issues candidates prefer to discuss. Few voters grasp how much the media’s obsession with personality, “character,” and hot-button issues like race and sex, often involves distorting reality to fit a pre-selected theme.

On his Web site, The Daily Howler, Bob Somerby has exhaustively chronicled how fictitous scenarios about Al Gore and George W. Bush dominated the 2000 presidential election. The Beltway press consistently portrayed Gore as a big faker who made up self-aggrandizing tales about himself, while Bush was an “authentic” politician with a common touch. A gushing Bush profile in, yes, The New York Times set the tone early: “Nobody would ever mistake him for Vice President Gore ... His style is an amalgam of East and Southwest, Yale and the oil patch. Call him the Madras Cowboy.”

The “Madras Cowboy” line never took, but the theme sure did. I vividly recall talking with two Democratic friends, both physicians, both a lot smarter than myself, who’d swallowed the anti-Gore storyline whole. Invented the Internet, “Love Story,” the lot. The first claim Gore never made; the second, author Erich Segal made clear, was largely true. He had modeled his novel’s protagonist on Gore, his former student.

Many find it hard to grasp how today’s Beltway press operates, because in their own professional lives, inventing or ignoring dispositive facts ultimately leads to firing, disgrace and revoked licenses. In Washington, it brings fame, fortune and guest spots on “Hardball,” where pundits ponder questions like this one from the excitable host about Sen. Hillary Clinton’s alleged unwillingness to explain her vote authorizing the Iraq war:

“Everybody in America knew we were going to war with Bush. He made it pretty clear from day one we were going to war. How come she still pretends that she didn’t know he was going to war? It’s like she didn’t know anything about Bill and his behavior! How many times is she going to be confused by men?”

See how it works? From WMD straight back to Bill Clinton’s pants. Never mind that when the Senate voted in 2002, Bush swore that war was the LAST thing he wanted. Did Sen. Clinton believe him? I have no way of knowing. Her contemporaneous public statements accepted intelligence reports touting Iraq’s WMD and ties to Al Qaeda, both now known to be false.

But Clinton’s clearly this campaign’s Beltway pinata, a calculating phony like Gore. Recently, for example, a New Hampshire voter asked her why she hadn’t called her Iraq vote a mistake. Reporters for the trend-setting New York Times and Washington Post knew what to do. They paraphrased her answer and guessed at her motives. “Mrs. Clinton,” the Times wrote, “stuck to a set of talking points that she and her advisers hope will ultimately overcome the antiwar anger that is particularly strong among Democrats.”

Here’s the transcript of what Clinton actually said: “I have said, and I will repeat ... that, knowing what I know now, I would never have voted for it. But I also — and, I mean, obviously you have to weigh everything as you make your decision — I have taken responsibility for my vote. The mistakes were made by this president, who misled this country and this Congress into a war that should not have been waged.”

How much does Clinton’s position differ from those of Sen. Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards, depicted as her main rivals? Hardly at all, in practical terms. But you’d never know that if you follow the spin.

http://www.reporter-times.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=39531&format=html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:36 PM
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1. Gene Lyons is great. But, I have to ask ...
Hillary has one of the biggest political machines ever constructed behind her. Why is it that they have allowed what she has said to be so twisted? And, truly, can you ever take responsibility for a mistake if you refuse to admit that you participated in a mistake?

Also, what about that comment (paraphrased), If you don't like the way I voted, then vote for another candidate.

I can't remember the exact comment, but clearly she was getting annoyed with constant references to the IWR vote.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:18 PM
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28. The article is worth a read....Lyons always has good insight and he wrote with Conason
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 09:19 PM by KoKo01
back in the days when the RW Hate Mongers were "Hunting the President."

Thanks. (Although you and I don't agree on anything much..."the Hunting" is worth a repeat for those who don't remember or weren't around then.)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:52 PM
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30. We don't agree on anything much?
Sorry, I don't even know what any of your positions are. :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:04 PM
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31. Was replying to the OP...not you, sorry.... n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:14 PM
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32. No problem.
:hi:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:36 PM
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2. That is a misleading title for this article.
Gene Lyons clearly means that this is the Beltway/MSM take on Clinton - the script is in, a la Bob Somerby, quoted in the article.

You've still got time to make that clear.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:40 PM
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3. Not if you're expecting kneejerk reactions. NT
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:41 PM
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4. I disagree...
It is a quote from the article.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:43 PM
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5. It makes it appear that this is Gene Lyons' opinion, not something he's exposing.
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 03:44 PM by boloboffin
As such, it's misleading.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:48 PM
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7. Anyone who knows Lyons would not think it was his opinion...
If you find it misleading, I certainly can't do anything about your perception. The title stands.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:52 PM
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9. It's a great article - thanks for bringing it here.
I don't understand this reaction, though. I'm pointing out a real possibility for miscommunication, and since you brought the article to our attention to combat such a miscommunication, I would think you'd understand that.

Did Lyons or his editor give this article a title? Why did you go for this quote rather than that article title?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:59 PM
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10. "Why did you go for this quote rather than that article title?"
Look at most threads outside of LBN on DU. Posters nearly always title their own threads differently than the real titles of the article quoted.

For example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3140028
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3139896&mesg_id=3139896
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3140266

If you don't like the practice, I can't help you.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:34 PM
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11. Okay. Whatever.
It's a great Gene Lyons article, defending Hillary against idiotic attacks, and I'm glad you brought it here.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:49 PM
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22. She's right, you know
Your subject line is misleading.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:00 PM
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27. I know now you share that opinion
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:47 PM
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6. True
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 03:51 PM by WesDem
How much does Clinton’s position differ from those of Sen. Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards, depicted as her main rivals? Hardly at all, in practical terms.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:12 PM
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23. Is it?
I was under the impression Obama never supported the war. Edwards did, Clinton did. So Clinton's position may be very similar to Edwards' but not Obama's if I am correct on him having always been against the IWR.

Julie
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:49 PM
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8. How many of us believed Bush when he said "war was his LAST resort?"
See how it works? From WMD straight back to Bill Clinton’s pants. Never mind that when the Senate voted in 2002, Bush swore that war was the LAST thing he wanted. Did Sen. Clinton believe him? I have no way of knowing. Her contemporaneous public statements accepted intelligence reports touting Iraq’s WMD and ties to Al Qaeda, both now known to be false.

http://www.reporter-times.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=39531&format=html



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:38 PM
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12. Got to get that swipe in at Gore, who's not even running, dontcha,
Mr. Lyons? How much did KKKarl pay you to do that?????

:grr:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:40 PM
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13. Thank you for proving my point.
Gene isn't attacking Hillary or Gore. He's attacking the Beltway and their scripts.

It's a horrible choice for a quote from this article. Check it out, it's a good one.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:41 PM
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14. the only thing it proves is someone didn't read the OP or linked article
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 04:43 PM by wyldwolf
Four other posters didn't seem to have a problem with it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:23 PM
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29. Only the people that clicked on this thread, to those that didn't it gives a false impression. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:52 PM
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15. People are falling for it all over again. She's not one of my top choices, but, boy...
are people here falling for a lot of right-wing crap.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:55 PM
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16. Only someone with tons of patience would consider educating DU.. Thanks..ww
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:03 PM
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17. "C'mon guys, I'm super serial!"
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:23 PM
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19. Good Freeper imitation.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:25 PM
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20. Comedy Central showed that episode last night. I'm sorry but it was funny.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:43 PM
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21. I noticed it on after Colbert also. It was a couple days of swiftboating Gore.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:13 PM
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24. Comedy Central has an agenda?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:35 PM
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25. No, I don't think they have an agenda other then perhaps appearing topical.



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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:36 PM
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26. "Swiftboating" implies intent, does it not?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:21 PM
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33. South Park Republican:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

South Park Republican is a term that was circulated in a few articles and weblogs on the Internet circa 2001 and 2002, to describe what was claimed by the authors as a "new wave" of young adults and teenagers who hold political beliefs that are, in general, aligned with those that seem to underpin gags and storylines in the popular television cartoon. The phrase was coined in 2001 by commentator Andrew Sullivan, who identified himself as a South Park Republican after hearing that the show's creators had "outed" themselves as Republicans at an awards ceremony.

The term is meant to be more of a casual indication of beliefs than a strong partisan label. While South Park co-creator Matt Stone is a registered Republican, co-creator Trey Parker is actually a registered member of the Libertarian Party. Also, Parker and Stone declared All in the Family producer Norman Lear, who helped write a few episodes of South Park <1> and founded the liberal pressure group People for the American Way, as one of their heroes. As the show's co-creator, Matt Stone, sums it up: "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals." <2> Such sentiments were reflected in their movie Team America: World Police.

In August 2006 Trey Parker, Matt Stone and Andrew Sullivan headlined a conference in Amsterdam hosted by the libertarian monthly magazine Reason. During an on-stage interview with Reason editors Nick Gillespie and Jesse Walker, Stone and Parker reaffirmed their discomfort with labels while acknowledging that their political views could be described most accurately as libertarian. John Tierney documented the declaration on the pages of the New York Times a few days later in a column called South Park Refugees. "South Park Libertarians," an edited version of the interview, appeared in the December 2006 issue of Reason.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:19 PM
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18. The "Lyonization" of Hillary. k&r (eom)
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