Where's Dennis?

[Catchawave]

This is only the biggest Progressive Event of the Year, invites went out months ago, and with all the noise DK's been making lately about being "snubbed", where is he?



as of 7/12/07

Sen. Clinton, New York's Senator since 2000 and former First Lady, joins Sen. John Edwards, Sen. Barack Obama, Gov. Bill Richardson, and Sen. Christopher Dodd as a participant in the event—the first ever collaborative presidential forum with both a respected blogger and a leading member of the traditional media as moderators. Confirmations from other candidates are forthcoming.

from: http://www.yearlykosconvention.org /


All were invited.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Confirmations from other candidates are forthcoming.

Is that a problem?

Are you suggesting that if one confirms later than Clinton, who confirmed on 7-12, after four others had confirmed that is somehow suspect?

Is this an issue?

[Catchawave]

2. Yes, it's an issue....to me....

Mr. Kucinich has been blathering all week with his "outrage" , funny, he's yet to commit to YearlyKos's Presidential Forum ? Those invites went out months ago.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. And Hillary just finally got around to responding? Big deal. I guess you are

worried about Hillary and Edwards self inflicted bloody nose, colluding to prevent candidates from being in the debates.

I can see why. Everybody is talking about it and there own comments and follow up comments certainly did make them look like schemers.

What does all week mean to you? is that like one appearence a day or two ago? Man, you sound pretty worried here. I hope you have good reason to be.

[Catchawave]

7. Nothing to do with Hil and John.....

Everything to do with the recent hypocrisy of Dennis and his supporters. How can he possibly be outraged by snubbing (as of now, my timestamp) the biggest Progressive Event of the Year?

I signed up in January knowing that ALL declared candidates will be invited, as well as special guests Dean and Clark speaking. I hope he will be in attendance, but why the delay in committing, many of his supporters will be there.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Why the lag time for Hillary? I don't know. For Dennis? I don't know. Why not write them

and ask.

I hope he can attend, but I don't know what his schedule is. I just don't see what the connection to the other issue is.

It's not hypocrasy to decline an event or to wait until the last minute to confirm attendence, and to try to make it out to be is silly.

Maybe his cousin is planning to get married that day and he's seeing if he can free up some time to do both? I mean, who knows?

[Catchawave]

14. LOL...nice try. DK's making it an issue about

inclusion for future candidate events, yet, he's still holding out on YK? I'm sure his cousin sent out the invites by now :silly:

[John Q. Citizen]

15. You can speculate all you want. but it's just that.

[Catchawave]

16. How is addressing hypocrisy speculation?

DK made noise this week about being snubbed. DK hasn't confirmed (yet) for Aug 4 at YK.

I hope he will, but not as some kind of a martyr.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. DK denounced the collusion of Clinton and Edwards to limit participation in debates.

You are absolutley incorrect when you say, "DK made noise this week about being snubbed."

Yet for some reason you believe that because Kucinich spoke out against Edwards and Clinton colluding to limit participation in the debates, that now if Dennis declines an offer to appear, or is slower to accept an offer to appear at a political function that it's hypocritical?

That is completely illogical. I certainly hope your candidate Edwards isn't as illogical as you are. We have had 4 years of illogical war that has killed and wounded thousand of Americans. Some of those who led us into that war have apoligised for their "mistake," although they have yet to admit the war is and was illogical from the start.

I know you feel bad that your candidate was caught on an open mic colluding to limit participation in the debates, and that he then came up with a preposterous explaination to cover himself. I feel he was hung out to dry by Hillary who blamed him for bringing up the subject, even though she was heard on the open mic saying that her campaign was already working on the plan, and would have to do more.

But please, no matter how much you worship your candidate, don't give in to illogic. We've had more than enough of that for a long long time.

[Catchawave]

20. I trust my candidate, and why I'm supporting him.

DK copped some free oxygen over this non-story. How illogical is that?

[John Q. Citizen]

22. it was legit. I would expect if Kucinich and

Hillary were colluding to keep Edwards out of the public candidate debates that Edwards would denounce it, as he should.

Wouldn't you expect that? I would hope Edwards would fight against being excluded from the debates by other candidates in the race. I sure wouldn't fault him for it.

It's not a non-story. If it were we wouldn't be discussing it. Do a search. You will notice that I didn't post to a single one of the home posts, or the hair posts. Those were certainly non- stories. Like who cares?

But this story had two aspects, or three if you include the Hillary response. it had the initial whispered discussion, then the denial of my own eyes by Edwards and the wierd response of Hillary essentially pinning it all on Edwards. Given the whole deal, it's a story.

I doubt it will linger long. But if the Hillary and Edwards campaigns attempt to clear some of the other candidates from the debates I would expect it to resurface. That's one of the up sides of Dennis going public with this. It makes it harder for Hillary and Edwards to try to do what they were planning. which I think is a good thing.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

11. Kucinich is being snubbed today. Why didn't he mention this while grandstanding?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3378906

Surely he was aware of this when he was grandstanding during his second 15 minutes...

[Catchawave]

18. Good question.

Like I say, DK was invited to YK, and has not accepted...yet...? It's hard to take his cause seriously when he cherry picks his strategy :)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

23. Exactly. nt

[justgamma]

4. I've been asking myself that lately.

I live in Iowa. I've now had the priviledge of seeing all of the candidates up close. I've had the opportunity to ask questions and get answers. All except DK an Gravel.
I am anxious to see and hear him. I love some of his ideas. I really think he should put some boots on the ground here.

[Catchawave]

12. Lucky !

And thank you for being so involved with these great people! There's rumors that Virginia (which comes later on the primary schedule) might come into play....with hopes we'll be treated to some visits too :D

[justgamma]

19. I hope you do, too.

I've been so impressed with each and every one of our candidates. We are lucky. I'd be thrilled with any of them.

[Catchawave]

21. And why I'm looking forward to YK07

An opportunity to meet them all :D

[benny05]

5. I wondered that too

Since the event is on a Saturday.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

6. It wouldn't be the first time Kucinich failed to show up for a debate/forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3376264

What makes all of this even funnier is Kucinich, when he was grandstanding for his earlier 15 minutes when he went to bat for Faux and criticized Edwards, Obama, and HRC after the big 3 backed out of the Faux debate (Kucinich is still slated to be in the debate), claimed he would be willing to debate anywhere at anytime. Then, a few weeks later he did not show up for a real debate that required him to go beyond bumper sticker 30 second sound bites. :rofl:

[Catchawave]

9. How's DK's campaign doing financially?

Many kossacks are driving in for the day because of the expenses, and DK's not that far from Chicago. Heck, I'll send him some gas money :)

I forgot about the Faux Debate debacle...lol...no wonder it's hard to take him seriously for President...sigh.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

10. Kucinich thinks Faux asks "hard-hitting questions"

:rofl:

Oh, and more hypocrisy from Kucinich on debates.

=="Those candidates planning to skip this debate clearly are trying to avoid a forum where there will be hard-hitting questions from people who may not agree with them," said Kucinich, who refused to publicly debate his own congressional opponents in the 2006 primary and general elections. "But taking questions from all sides is part of politics, and part of being president."==

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/05/kucinich_campaigns_in_florida.html

I bet he is doing poorly financially. He was never a factor in 2003-2004 and he is doing worse this time around as the novelty has worn off.

[Catchawave]

13. Same hard-hitting questions they ask Vitter?

Well, Fox and all the rest of the CMSM....

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/forget-sen-vitters-penis-follow-his-money/

[draft_mario_cuomo]

24. Good find nt