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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:43 AM
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ok, I just want to post these pictures of Bill Clinton in light of Hillary's campaign
(yes, this is a RESPONSE to another thread.)



Bill Clinton with Wes Clark in Kosovo (Hey! There's Hillary in that picture!)



Here's a better one for you!



This one's nice:



Hero!



Prosperity!



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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:45 AM
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1. Good post. n/t
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:48 AM
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2. I appreciate the passion
of DUers supporting their candidates. We should make an awesome team when we get a candidate for the general election.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:48 AM
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3. It brings back memories of a much better time for all of us.
The more I see of Sen. Clinton, the more I like.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:50 AM
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4. Nooooooooooo, can't be right...
I mean, he couldn't have done that much good for the country...he was caught in a sex scandal, don't you know?:eyes:

Oh, the days when all we had to worry about was the Prez getting a blow-job.:cry:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:56 AM
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5. I miss the halcyon days of the Big Dog.....
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:01 AM
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7. big dog!
( sigh) i miss the big dog.
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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:44 PM
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44. and Monica Lewinsky, and Paula Jones and Jennifer Flowers and.....
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:11 PM
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48. No one cares anymore
His sexual pecadillos are small change compared to the VAST RIGHTWING CORRUPTION.
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Hersheygirl Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:09 AM
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69. Exactly,
At least thousands did not die from his escapades.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:59 AM
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6. Excellent job, wyldwolf!
You expressed it even better than I could. The graphs are especially excellent!
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:03 AM
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8. May I add, the former president has been in Africa this past week.
He's constantly working in Africa & Asia for people with malaria, tuberculosis and HIV/Aids....

Taking a quick break to celebrate Mandela's Birthday,




Former South African president Nelson Mandela, left, is escorted by former U.S. president Bill Clinton into the auditorium at the Mandela Foundation in Johannesburg, South Africa, Thursday July 19, 2007. The two opened an exhibition entitled "Making Peace", part of the ongoing celebrations of Mandela's 89th birthday. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:12 AM
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10. He's been doing some really good things since leaving office..
for the life of me I don't understand the love Al Gore/hate Bill Clinton phenom here.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:09 AM
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9. Any picture of him is a GOOD PICTURE
He still has it and always will. But still it is really frustrating that DU's of all people are made to post rebuttal pictures because SOME of the DU's are trying to swiftboat Hillary. If they don't like her, don't vote for her. What they should do is post appraising articles about their candidates. I really truly hope Edwards gets the nomination, but it makes me mad that DU's are bashing Hillary. And it seems just ONE group of supporters are doing that. If a person is not good enough to win a nomination on their own merits, why start the bashing of the other candidates. It makes their candidate look pathetic and the candidate doesn't even know what has happened, because they aren't involved.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:13 AM
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11. He is a good man and was a good President..
not perfect, but who is? :shrug:

Thanks for reminding me how proud I am that he represents my Party..:kick:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:07 AM
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22. And may I add a very fine Governor
I lived in Arkansas when he was governor and did intern work for a TV station and had the opportunity to interview him a couple of times. Now that guy I'd love to have a beer with. He couldn't have been nicer and exuded so much knowledge.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:17 AM
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12. Fox News: Rate of productivity growth twice what it was under Clinton
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 08:18 AM by TheBaldyMan
on edit: I wasn't his biggest fan but by God how I long to see a real President in the Whitehouse again.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:21 AM
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13. What's that productivity figure all about
I can't believe America has been twice as productive under Bush* as under Clinton. That stat is staggering to me..
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:10 AM
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76. I believe productivity is a net measurement, not a gross one.

So if fewer people are doing more work then productivity goes up. Sometimes increased productivity can be a sign of increased unemployment. Good for the employer, bad for the employee which means bad for overall consumption and therefore bad for the corporations which means ultimately bad for the employer, but many employers just don't get that follow-through.


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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:39 AM
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14. Very, very nice. Thank you
:toast: :thumbsup: :applause: :applause:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:42 AM
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15. OT, but for your collection, WW
For Wes's new book, A Time to Lead:



"My friend Wes Clark has written his powerful story of how the promise
of America empowered a young boy, more with patriotism than money, to
become a man, a soldier and a hero. Wes offers us hard-won lessons in
leadership and the value of discipline and determination. Anyone
interested in leadership or improving their own lives should read this
book."--Bill Clinton, former U.S. President



Also, while I'm at it, possibly of interest re Kosovo:


I was fortunate to serve as General Clark’s Deputy in Belgium when he was Supreme Allied Commander and I saw at first hand his masterly handling of events in the Balkans; where by intellect, courage, determination and sheer military skill, he succeeded when none thought this was possible. He established a model for peace and reconstruction, which those involved in Iraq and Afghanistan today can only long for. His book gives a fascinating and very human insight of his unique life experiences which led up to this success, and which have shaped his vision for America and the post cold war Europe. An important book which sheds new light on many of the difficult issues facing those involved in warfighting or peacemaking today." --General Sir Jeremy Mackenzie GCB OBE DL


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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:44 AM
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16. And "they" are still blaming him for their current mess. The Blame Game con't.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/649579.html

The blame game

Along with blaming Bill Clinton for 9/11, the recession, and, possibly, the Great Train Robbery, we now have a July 18 letter writer blaming Clinton for "depleting" our military.
As is usual with Republican cheerleaders, statements are made without context.

It is true that Clinton reduced the size of the U.S. military. Of course, at the time, most military analysts seemed to agree with reducing the size of the military, as there was no threat from the dismantled Soviet Union. Donald Rumsfeld, newly appointed as Secretary of Defense, was also keen on reducing the size of the military even more, focusing on smaller units and fewer Army divisions.

To say President Bush "erred" with Iraq is one of the understatements of the year. This error has currently cost us over $400 billion, thousands of U.S. lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives; created a new breeding ground for terrorists to train under actual combat conditions; and set back U.S. foreign diplomacy by years, if not decades.

No, it wasn't Clinton who should be blamed. This entire mess need be blamed only on two men: President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld.

Rich Weems


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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:40 AM
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36. Here's an interesing little tidbit:
President Bill Clinton and Military Funding

One the common attacks made on the two Clinton terms is that military funding was decimated. Let's take a look and see exactly how military funding was affected during his presidency:




This first chart indicates national defense spending, as indicated by the White House http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/pdf/hist.pdf">here. These numbers are adjusted for inflation, and are in Year 2000 dollars. Of course, there is the issue of how much the entire budget went up, and if Clinton's military/defense spending decreased as a percentage of the total budget, and relative to GDP, which we will look at next:



Lastly, here is national defense spending by administration:



Overall, while defense spending may have trailed off slightly depending on which indicator we look at, it remained relatively constant during the Clinton administrations. Bear in mind, this is also considering that Clinton's first administration took place immediately after the end of the Gulf War and the Cold War. It seems that according to the data, the idea that Clinton decimated/significantly cut military/defense spending is a major overstatement.



http://www.heartheissues.com/clinton-military.html

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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:56 AM
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17. Nice pics, but Bill is not running.
And, Hillary is no Bill.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:58 AM
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18. Did you read the first line in my OP? LOL!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:03 AM
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19. I did, and I also read your subject line.
You brought Hillary into it, not me.

I do like Bill, and I do like your pics (like I said).
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:04 AM
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20. then you should go give your wordly advise to the OP of the first thread
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:15 AM
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23. No.
My response had nothing to do with the image, other than comparing it to how the Clinton's and Bush's work together and agree on certain issues. Your images try to link what he did as President to Hillary.

There is a difference. I'm sorry you don't see it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:18 AM
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27. No
The other thread featuring the image of Bill Clinton with GHW Bush, with the headline in reference to Hillary, attempted to tie Hillary to the Bushes. Lame. And your reponse is also Lame.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:25 AM
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29. Uh, we're talking about my response, not the other thread.
You're wrong as usual.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:28 AM
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31. You're wrong as usual.
The first line in my OP is the opening line to any conversation that veers the way you're going.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:19 AM
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28. I don't see the difference
the other OP linked Bill and Bush's friendship to Hillary, and you didn't seem to have a problem with that.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:27 AM
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30. I do have a problem with it, but I wasn't responding to the OP.
I was comparing the Bush's to the Clinton's, not Bill to Hillary.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:05 AM
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21. You didn't seem to have a problem with the other thread of the same name
based on your response to it. :shrug:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:16 AM
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25. See my response here - #23
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:16 AM
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24. That productivity number is misleading too.
I believe the way they normally measure productivity is essentially just the overall value of our country's output divided by the costs (a large part of which is wages). So if wages go up, productivity will go down a little, at least in the short term. In other words, productivity can be TOO good. The best productivity numbers would come from a feudal state, where workers are getting subsistence wages but corporations are making huge profits.

Not sure, but my guess is that Western European countries have a little less "productivity", but in return they get stronger environmental laws, higher wages, health care, a month of vacation! And yet they generally seem to be competitive in the world market.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:17 AM
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26. Too BAD the Solidiers are losing their lives because of Hillary
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:28 AM
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33. how so?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:31 PM
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42. Do I hear crickets????
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:58 PM
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52. She voted to put them in harms way. Like Tweety said tonight
she knew Bush was going to war. If she did not, then she was really Naive and she does not need to be Commander and Chief, with those decision making skills. We will be in harms way because she does not have the ability to make good judgment calls.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:08 PM
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53. but it wasn't BECAUSE of Hillary. How many Dem Senators voted "yea?"
27? 28?

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:02 PM
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57. She was a spokes person for war It is her WAR Let me Refresh your Memory
She did not even have the decency to apologize for her vote.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal.

But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway.

In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:19 AM
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75. A US Senator in her second year was the "spokesman??" Complete leftwing revisionism
My dear, just about EVERYONE gave a floor speech on Iraq.

And I'm glad she isn't kissing your ass and begging forgiveness.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:28 AM
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32. What is the source of the bottom graph? nt
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hollywoodlib Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:28 AM
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34. Hard not to like Bill Despite him being a globalist.
He is still 10,000 times better then nazi Bush
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:33 AM
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35. The graphs depict why everything uttered from the mouths of 'pukes has to be a big lie:
'cause every 'puke initiative is against the general welfare of most of the people and every 'puke initiative is for corporate and wealth welfare.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:25 AM
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37. K & R.
I especially like the Bush Record Deficit Chart. That sums it up perfectly.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:08 PM
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38. nice
:thumbsup:
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:00 PM
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39. Didja notice....
in the fourth picture, the Big Dawg's wearing his watch as he wades into the crowd in Kosovo? Unlike some other Presidents that we won't mention, he's not afraid that someone in the crowd will steal his watch!
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:29 PM
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41. Good catch....thanks. nm
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:08 PM
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40.  K&R
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 04:09 PM by Alamom
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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:35 PM
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43. For you Hillary supporters, A "feel good" moment
but remember, Hillary is not Bill, not even close but if it gives you a little light, shine on! :rofl: :rofl:
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:13 PM
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49. She's only been accused of one
affair, and oh, trying to change the healthcare system. That'll hurt.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:05 PM
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45. The ONLY pictures we need to see
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 05:07 PM by depakid
If we're to get a glimpse of what Hillary and her supporters have in store for us:

Clinton signing the Telecommunications Bill




Supporters say the measure would boost jobs, expand consumer choices and potentially lower prices for cable, telephone and other communications services. But opponents -- mostly consumer groups -- say more jobs will be lost than gained through consolidation, that choices will be limited and that cable and telephone rates are likely to go up because the level of competition envisioned by supporters will not emerge.


Depression-Era Rules Undone: Clinton Signs Legislation Overhauling Banking Laws



An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system.

The measure lifts barriers in the industry and allows banks, securities firms and insurance companies to merge and sell each other's products.


DO WE REALLY NEED MORE OF THAT?


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:09 PM
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54. unfortunately for you, about 90% of Dems disagree with you
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:12 PM
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59. I don't know about that...
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 10:14 PM by depakid
Facts are hard to face sometimes, aren't they?

There are more such photo's with respect to public policy.... shall we have a look? or maybe remember in all honesty?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:42 AM
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64. Facts are hard to face? Yep! Hear is the fact
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:01 AM
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67. So, you think the far right policies are just fine
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 07:05 AM by depakid
So long as you can cite a poll or two in favor of the Clinton's?

That's basically what your angle seems to be.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:23 AM
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70. what "far right" policies?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:00 AM
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71. Perhaps the two represented in the picture
along with myriad others.

Let's at least be honest here.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:02 AM
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72. yes, let's be honest
Explain how these are "far right" policies?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 06:58 PM
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82. Oh, please
deregulating the consolidated corporate media so that all that's on there is far right propaganda and hate radio? Appointing Micheal Powell? (Yep- that was Clinton).

Or take NAFTA and China's entry into the WTO. I don't gather after the past 10 years that it needs to be explained why those are far right policies- garnering results that directly and adversely affect the Democrats core constituencies- while benefiting Republican donors.

Or how about Clinton's FDA allowing PhARMA to put misleading ads for drugs on TV. NO other Western nation would even consider that. Hunt: among other things- like driving up the price of drugs- it's called disease mongering.

The list goes on and on.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:06 PM
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58. No we do NOT
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 10:08 PM by GodHelpUsAll2
We need more of what we have right now. God help us all if Hillary gets in the White House. If only Bush could run for a third term........!!!




(dripping in sarcasm)



Good God people. Get a grip on yourselves.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:43 AM
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65. graph for ya'
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:48 PM
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46. Thanks for the good memories
Up to now, I'd been having a rough day, now I'm feeling much better...my hopes are high again. :toast: :thumbsup: :loveya:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:51 PM
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47. both clintons have overstayed and I am so sick of them
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:10 PM
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55. yeah, they're sick of you, too.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:22 PM
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50. Too bad we can't vote for him instead of his wife.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:42 PM
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51. Great post Wyldwolf! It makes me think of the good old days of
peace and prosperity......talk about hope and vision!

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gnvresident Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:47 PM
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56. nice memories
Thanks for the nice images and memories of Bill. I wish Bill could run again.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:14 PM
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60. Yeah, too bad HRC demonstrates NONE of her "husband's" charisma or empathy. Zilch! nt
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:20 AM
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61. Good post nt
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:22 AM
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62. Those were the days, my friend.
Send it on to the Republicans, okay?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:50 AM
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63. Is that the new Hillary campaign slogan: "Vote for me because I'm Bill's wife"?
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 02:02 AM by IndianaGreen
Bill ain't running, and Hillary ain't Bill.

As to this photo that you posted, the guy with the red beret with his back turned on the camera is General Sir Michael Jackson, the British commander. Do you recall that incident involving Clark, Jackson, an airport, Russian troops, and accusations we were on the brink of World War III?




General Sir Mike Jackson

As to Kosovo, Clinton had the CIA rely on unsavory characters, which later turned out to be connected to Al-Qaeda, to bring fighters from Chechnya and the Middle East to join the Kosovo Liberation Army. Then someone pointed out that Clinton was bringing Islamic terrorists to the Balkans. The Chechen fighters eventually returned to whatever place they came from.

Other Clinton accomplishments: NAFTA, DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, media concentration, etc.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 05:44 AM
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66. Maybe you're in the wrong party?
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 05:47 AM by Perry Logan
Highlights of the Clinton record:

Longest economic expansion in American history--a record 115 months of economic expansion
More than 22 million new jobs: more than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration
Highest home ownership in American history
Made the Federal government smaller (a feat matched only by Harry Truman; if you like small government, vote Democratic)
Lowest unemployment in 30 years: unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000; unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women was the lowest in more than 40 years
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
Lowest crime rate in 26 years.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels: after falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation; all income brackets experienced double-digit growth; the bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years: the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent in 1999--the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union: efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt: under Clinton, we were on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009; what a difference a stolen election makes...
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Lowest government spending in three decades
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
More families owned stock than ever before
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: Republicans really chew the rug when you mention this one, so it's worth repeating constantly
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years
Highest Home ownership Rate on Record
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty
Largest Surplus Ever
Lower Federal Government Spending: after increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy was cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000--the lowest level since 1966
The Most U.S. Exports Ever: between 1992 and 2000, U.S. exports of goods and services grew by 74 percent, or nearly $500 billion, to top $1 trillion for the first time
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: inflation was at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, down from 4.6 percent during the previous administration
The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent
The poverty rate for single mothers was the lowest ever
The African American and elderly poverty rates dropped to their lowest level on record
The Hispanic poverty rate dropped to its lowest level since 1979
Lowest Poverty Rate for Single Mothers on Record: under President Clinton, the poverty rate for families with single mothers fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 35.7 percent in 1999, the lowest level on record
Smallest Welfare Rolls Since 1969: between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 billion (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people
Lowest Federal Income Tax Burden in 35 Years: Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family dropped to their lowest level in 35 years
Higher Incomes even after Taxes and Inflation: real after-tax incomes grew by an average of 2.6 percent per year for the lower-income half of taxpayers between 1993 and 1997, while growing by an average of 1.0 percent between 1981 and 1993

ENVIRONMENT:
Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order on Environmental Justice to ensure that low-income citizens and minorities do not suffer a disproportionate burden of industrial pollution. Launched pilot projects in low-income communities across the country to redevelop contaminated sites into useable space, create jobs and enhance community development.

President Bill Clinton sought permanent funding of $1.4 billion a year through the Lands Legacy initiative to expand federal efforts to save America's natural treasures and provide significant new resources to states and communities to protect local green spaces and protect ocean and coastal resources. Won $652 million for Lands Legacy in the FY 2000 budget, a 42 percent increase.

Launched effort to protect over 40 million acres of "roadless areas," which include some of America's last wild places. Dramatically improved management of our national forests with an ambitious new science-based agenda that places greater emphasis on recreation, wildlife and water quality, while reforming logging practices to ensure steady, sustainable supplies of timber and jobs. Balanced the preservation of old-growth stands with the economic needs of timber-dependent communities through the Pacific Northwest Forest Plan.

Adopted a uniform tailpipe standard to passenger cars, SUVs and other light-duty trucks, producing cars that are 77 percent cleaner -- and light-duty trucks up to 95 percent cleaner -- than those on the road today. Set new standard to reduce average sulfur levels in gasoline by up to 90 percent. Once fully implemented in 2030, these measures will prevent 43,000 premature deaths and 173,000 cases of childhood respiratory illness each year, and reduce emissions by the equivalent to removing 164 million cars from the road.

# Approved strong new clean air standards for soot and smog that could prevent up to 15,000 premature deaths a year and improve the lives of millions of Americans who suffer from respiratory illnesses. Defending the standards against legal assaults by polluters.

# Accelerating Toxic Waste Cleanups. Completed cleanup at 515 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as the previous two administrations, with cleanup of more than 90 percent of all sites either completed or in progress. Secured $1.4 billion in FY 2000 to continue progress toward cleaning up 900 Superfund sites by 2002.

# Providing Safe Drinking Water: Proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act and ensure that our families have healthy clean tap water. Required America's 55,000 water utility companies to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water.

# Established EPA's Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) that provides grants to States to finance priority drinking water projects that meet Clean Water Act mandates. To date, the DWSRFs have provided $1.9 billion in loans to communities.

# Awarded nearly $200 million in Department of Agriculture (USDA) loans and grants for over 100 safe drinking water projects in rural areas of 40 states. USDA grants and loans target rural communities plagued by some of the nation's worst water quality and dependability problems.

# Expanded Safe Drinking Water Act protections to protect 40 million additional Americans in small communities from potentially dangerous microbes, including Cryptosporidium, in their drinking water.

# Ensuring Clean Water. Launched the Clean Water Action Plan to help clean up the 40 percent of America's surveyed waterways still too polluted for fishing and swimming. Secured $3.9 billion since 1998, a 16 percent increase, to help states, communities and landowners in reducing polluted runoff, enhancing natural resource stewardship, improving citizens' right to know, and protecting public health.

# Strengthening Communities' Right to Know. Strengthened the public's right to know about chemicals released into their air and water by partnering with the chemical industry and the environmental community in an effort to provide complete data on the potential health risks of the 2,800 most widely used chemicals. Nearly doubled the number of chemicals that industry must report to communities, while expanding the number of facilities that must report by 30 percent.

# Expanded the community right to know about releases of 27 persistent bio-accumulative toxins (including mercury, dioxin, and PCBs). These highly toxic chemicals are especially risky because they do not break down easily and are known to accumulate in the human body.

# Secured $83 million in FY 2000 for two major new efforts to restore salmon in the Pacific Northwest: $58 million for the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund, which provides resources for states and tribes to protect and rebuild salmon stocks; and $25 million to implement the historic Pacific Salmon Treaty with Canada, which established two regional funds to improve fisheries management and enhance bilateral scientific cooperation between the two countries and provides funding to buy back fishing permits in Washington.

# Expanding Wildlife Refuges. Added 57,000 acres, including lands along the last free-flowing section of the Columbia River, to the Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge to protect salmon habitat in Washington.

# Forging Partnerships to Protect Habitat. Completed 255 major Habitat Conservation Plans (HCPs), compared to 14 before the Administration took office, to protect more than 20 million acres of private land and over 170 threatened and endangered species. These voluntary agreements protect habitat while providing landowners the certainty they need to effectively manage their lands.

# Strengthening Protections for Wildlife. Signed legislation that strengthens protections for wildlife by mandating that the most important use of our nation's wildlife refuges is giving refuge to migratory birds and other animals reliant on this rich system of natural habitat.

Protecting our Oceans and Coasts

# Creating Comprehensive Oceans Policy. Directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations. Convened a National Ocean Conference in June 1998 that brought together government experts, business executives, scientists, environmentalists, elected officials and the public to examine opportunities and challenges in restoring and protecting our ocean resources.

# Strengthening Our National Marine Sanctuaries. Secured a funding increase of over 100% to better support national marine sanctuaries -- homes to coral reefs, kelp forests, humpback whales, and loggerhead turtles. Supporting the five-year Sustainable Seas Expeditions to explore, study and document ways to better protect underwater resources.

# Preserving Coral Reefs. Issued an Executive Order to expand protection of coral reefs and their ecosystems to address issues of coral reef management, expansion of marine protected areas and increased protections for coral reef species.

# Protecting Marine Mammals. Led negotiations resulting in a multilateral agreement to protect dolphins in the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean. Issued new standards to protect the endangered northern right whale from injuries from ships by instituting a first-ever ship reporting requirement in two areas of right whale critical habitat. Fought for creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, an area of more than 12 million square miles off the coast of Antarctica.

# Banning Ocean Dumping of Toxic Waste. Led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. The U.S. was the first nuclear power to advocate the ban.

Introduced "Better America Bonds" to generate $10.75 billion in bond authority over five years to preserve open space, improve water quality and clean up abandoned and contaminated properties known as brownfields. Local communities can work together in partnerships with land trust groups, environmentalists, business leaders and others to develop innovative solutions to their community's development challenges.

# Provided leadership critical to successful negotiation of the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible.

# Investing in Clean Energy Research. Won more than $1 billion in FY 1999 and in FY 2000 for the Climate Change Technology Initiative, a program of clean energy research and development that will save energy and consumers money. Extended the tax credits for wind and biomass energy production through 2001, reducing emissions and reliance on imported oil.

# Growing Clean Energy Technologies. Issued an Executive Order to coordinate federal efforts to spur the development and use of bio-based technologies, which can convert crops, trees and other "biomass" into a vast array of fuels and materials. Set a goal of tripling our use of bioenergy and bioproducts by 2010 to reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions by up to 100 million tons a year -- the equivalent of taking 70 million cars off the road.

# Improving Scientific Understanding. Increased funding for the United States Global Change Research Program to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth's climate system. This record research budget continues strong support for the "Carbon Cycle Initiative" begun last year to improve our understanding of the role of farms, forests, and other natural or managed lands in capturing carbon.

# Energy Efficiency Standards for Appliances. Issued new energy efficiency standards for refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers, freezers and room air conditioners that will save consumers money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil. The new standards will cut the average appliance's energy usage by 30 percent and save more than seven quadrillion BTUs of energy over the next 30 years, more than seven times the annual energy consumption of the entire state of Arkansas.

# Promoting federal Energy Efficiency. Issued an Executive Order directing federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year. Forged new partnerships with industry to develop and promote energy-saving cars, homes and consumer products with the potential to save Americans hundreds of millions of dollars in energy bills and significantly curb greenhouse gas pollution.

AGAINST TERRORISM:
# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:08 AM
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68. Where'd you get that bit?
LOL.

Some of us actually lived through the Clinton ERA.

We're well aware of what happened.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:12 AM
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74. I lived through the Clinton era - great times!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:17 PM
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77. Great times for the investor class, not so for the working class
NAFTA!
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:26 PM
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81. Me too... how I miss those times
It was so much better then. Not perfect, but far better than it is today. We've regressed as a country under Bush, and it will take his dem predecessor years to undo the carnage.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 08:11 AM
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73. the term you're looking for is "the perfect is the enemy of the good."
We all know the Indianagreen types never support anything that isn't 100% pure.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:18 PM
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78. Supporting Bush's wars and continuing the failed policies towards Cuba & Palestinians
are not grounds for support!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:21 PM
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79. BTW, like Kucinich I support the Constitution 100%, something that neither Hillary nor Pelosi do
If they did, they would be supporting impeachment of Gonzo, Cheney, Bush.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:25 PM
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80. Woo woo! I still love the big dog
and even though my avatar is Edwards, I'm convinced that Hillary would make an amazing president, too.

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