Candidate grid - see where your candidate is - I totally agree with this one

[The Count]

[tammywammy]

1. Interesting

Bookmarked. :)

[msongs]

2. according to what standards? nt

[The Count]

6. Based on their agendas - including votes, not just speeches

[mzmolly]

10. Who calculated the agendas?

I don't buy it personally. For example, it doesn't appear to include Kucinich's full voting history on choice, and Gravel doesn't have a voting record.

[The Count]

12. Oh, Gravel has a voting record all right - he was the senator that ended the draft

and put the Pentagon Papers into the congressional record.
Just like Edwards id the guy who wrote the Patriot Act, sponsored IWR, voted for the bankruptcy Act in 2001. On DK - I'd say that one vote is balanced by all his others (such as opposite of Edwards iffy votes and many others).
Interesting how Gravel detractors are so ignorant of the man's historical accomplishments!

[mzmolly]

18. If Gravels 30 year old record counts, why doesn't Kucinich's more recent record on choice?

"Gravel detractors" LOL. I hardly pay attention to the man, he sounds a tad off his rocker frankly.

Again, how and who calculated the 'scores' and what were they based on specifically?

[The Count]

23. Ending the Vietnam war - not cool enough for DU. Starting Iraq war - da bomb!

For you to not pay attention to the man who ended the draft in this country - it's tantamount with being a detractor - maybe worse, because this is not so much about Gravel, but how people feel about wars - ending, starting them.
DU gushes on the man who sponsored IWR but scoff at the one who was instrumental in ending the Vietnam war. It's pretty disappointing that supposedly informed people are actually quite susceptible to propaganda...
As for DK's record, I didn't make the chart, but I speculate that it was all weighted. As far as I am concerned, his earlier anti-choice stand is compensated by all his present stands on war, civil rights etc. For you to doubt DK is a liberal for one past stand but maintain Edwards is one in spite his ENTIRE voting record - not too consistent.

[mzmolly]

27. On edit.

Question answered below.

[maximusveritas]

19. Just the subjective impression of its creator

This graph is from the Political Compass website.
Its creator just made up what he thought the candidates would answer on his quiz and plotted the results on that graph. Since the quiz is very vague, it is obviously open to quite a bit of subjectivity.

[mzmolly]

28. How absurd. A test based upon answering questions for someone else.

Of course the scoring is a bit "iffy" too.

[saracat]

3. Don't agree.Mike Gravel is way more "libertarian" than far far left!

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. The chart doesn't show Gravel to be 'far, far left' - he's really

a moderate left, and moderate libertarian. He's only far left in relation to everyone else.

Me, I reckon I'd be somewhere to the far, far left, and a little bit south of Gravel and DK.

Guess that explains why I'm less than thrilled about anybody in the pack.

[Yael]

4. I think Edwards is farther left than he is being given credit for

and Ron Paul is off the charts libertarian.

Other than that, likely so.

[The Count]

5. Ron Paul is the typical authoritarian, Edwards - maybe his votes counted a bit

for a change. The reason I loved this enough to post it was that finally the "libertarian" crap about Ron Paul was debunked. The man said in the last debate he's a conservative. yet the silly kids still think he's so cool...Hates gays, blacks, wants freedom only for the corporations - authoritarian it is!

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I might be wrong, but I think Gore and Clark were in the same neighborhood as Gravel and Kucinich.

That's just from memory.

I could be wrong.

[jenmarie]

9. You're right about Clark

Don't know about Gore. This is from Clark's On the Issues page. Scroll to bottom of page.

[The Count]

13. Clark for sure, maybe Gore too - with his latest work added to his prior record

[IndyOp]

17. Gore - Moderate Populist...

Personal Issues
Abortion Is A Woman's Right - Strongly Support
Sexual Orientation Protected By Civil Rights Law - Strongly Support
Organized Prayer In Public Schools - Strongly Oppose
Death Penalty - Support
Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws - Support
Drug Use Is Immoral: Enforce Laws Against It - Oppose
Allow Churches To Provide Welfare Services - Support
Link Human Rights To Trade With China - Oppose

Economic Issues
Require Companies To Hire More Women/Minorities - Strongly Support
More Federal Funding For Health Coverage - Strongly Support
Privatize Social Security - Oppose
Spend Resources To Stop Global Warming - Strongly Support
Make Income Tax Flatter And Lower - Oppose
Immigration Helps Our Economy - Encourage It - Strongly Support
Support And Expand Free Trade - Strongly Support
Continue Foreign Aid To Russia, Israel, Others - Strongly Support

Other Issues
Absolute Right To Gun Ownership - Strongly Oppose
Parents Choose Schools Via Vouchers - Strongly Oppose
More Spending On Armed Forces Personnel - Support
Reduce Spending On Missile Defense ("Star Wars") - Support

http://tinyurl.com/32tr4l

[Gregorian]

11. THANKS! I was going to make this for myself.

As if I even needed to.

But really, there is a bit of trust involved here. I mean, just what data went into creating this plot? I was going to set up a spreadsheet of their voting histories. It's not easy compiling data that is representative for all of the candidates. Such as, whatever it was that placed Biden into the authoritarian quadrants. Was it really worthy of that dramatic a shift.

The funny part is, I already saw this spread in my mind.


PS- isn't it obvious by looking at this, what "unelectable" really means!

[The Count]

14. Biden? The guy who told Europe: "How dare you not do what Bush says?

You'll be sorry!"? That Biden?

[polichick]

15. So, if we really want change...

...we'll probably only get it from Kucinich or Gravel?

[Blue_In_AK]

16. I show up on that chart

about where Gravel and Kucinich are. Isn't that about where the Dalai Lama is? Or is this a different chart than the one that was floating around here a few months ago?

[skids]

20. Were it so but...

...I really cannot believe Rudy got such a low authoritarianism score.

[The Count]

22. Yeah, Il Duce should have a chart of his own, I agree!

But what this one gets right is the fact that the others mat speak somewhat softer, but are not far behind il Duce

[OneBlueSky]

21. and therein lies the problem . . . n/t

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[Adelante]

24. Where does that come from?

Do you have a link, Count? Thanks.

[The Count]

25. Sorry, it was from Crooks and Liars - just stumbled over the image. Link:

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[Adelante]

26. Thanks, sweetie nt