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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:59 AM
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CNN Poll internals...some interesting numbers

Who has the right experience to be president?
Clinton 60
Edwards 15
Obama 9

Who is most likely to bring needed change to the U.S.?
Clinton 42
Obama 30
Edwards 10

Seems like Hillary's theme of change and experience are working for her so far....

Clinton's favorables/unfavorables are quite good, have turned decidedly in her favor at 53% to 39%.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:02 AM
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1. How misguided people are, then!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:03 AM
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2. don't worry, Katz... people have 10, uh.. 8... 6.... 5 months to change their minds
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:05 AM
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4. Let's pray they do, dear wyld!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:34 AM
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29. nah, I have confidence in the majority of my fellow Democrats. They pick Hillary
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:05 AM
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6. Unless The Dynamic Of The Race Changes It's Over
Trends continue until they are stopped...

What will stop Senator Clinton?

That's an emperical observation not a normative one...
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:04 AM
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3. I suppose that the American people were not misguided when
they elected Bush?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:05 AM
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5. Oh, yes we were!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:06 AM
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7. Say "They" Not "We" Please
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:09 AM
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10. Gotta say "We". I voted for the guy.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:35 AM
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30. you voted for Bush? Well, that explains things
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:42 AM
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32. I've been very open about my past, and you're invited to read post 25
which explains a bit of my past.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:08 AM
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9. I wasn't...you didn't vote for the man did you?
;-)

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:09 AM
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11. Yes. I've been open about my dark past.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:11 AM
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16. Did You Vote For Him In 00 And 04?
And did you vote for Jeb too, pray tell?

Even against Lawton Chiles?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:11 AM
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18. My first presidential vote was in 04, and I voted for Bush.
I voted for Jeb in 02 and for Davis in 06. I was a registered Republican until Jan. 06.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:13 AM
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20. Well I'm glad you saw the light!!!
:woohoo:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:16 AM
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23. I Would Have Been Happier If He Never Missed It
eom
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:18 AM
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25. From an old thread
1) I didn't see anything particularly positive about Bush. I worked on 2 of his campaign rallies, so I saw him live, and he came across as a very calculating man who had created this "I'm a folksy dude" persona to get votes. To be honest, I never trusted him completely.

However, the Republican Party has strong ties with the pro-statehood movement in Puerto Rico, and Democrats have been more vocal supporters of the current colonial status. When I moved to the US in 2001, I quickly registered as a Republican in order to support the party that, supposedly, was more "Puerto Rican friendly".

I never truly believed in conservatism, to be frank. Also, I felt it was going to be easier to be accepted and liked by Americans in general if I joined the party of "patriotism" and "American values". I wanted to be seen as a good American, to show that Puerto Ricans could be good Americans too, especially after 9/11. I moved from Puerto Rico only a month before 9/11, so it had a huge impact on me then. I was 17 and wanting to be accepted in my new home.

2) I knew all the time I was in the wrong place, but I felt I had to be a Republican for the reasons I gave you above. I remember that a good friend of mine, a hardcore Republican (she's Puerto Rican) introduced me to Sean Hannity in late 2003. When I started listening to him, I felt sick. I got headaches (no joke) while driving because I wanted to scream that all he was saying was bullshit but I repressed myself. For years I tried to indocrinate myself so that I could be a good American, not some black Puerto Rican guy in America. It's complex and sad, but it was like that.

3) I learned about DU in the Hannity forums. People used to trash DU all the time (they probably still do), and I came here to read what people posted. Eventually, however, I started realizing I could not pretend anymore, and started challenging conservatism/Republicanism with everyone I could, including myself. By late 05 I realized I couldn't stay in the wrong side anymore, and changed parties in early 06. Keep posting over there for some more months, but now as a left leaning centrist (to avoid getting banned). Eventually I stopped posting there, and at the beginning of this year I decided to join DU.

I don't regret it one bit. This is my home. It always was.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:25 AM
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28. TY
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 10:53 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
My buddy is Puerto Rican and a gung ho Republican... He is also light skinned... I thought he was Cuban before he told me was Puerto Rican...

Most of the Puerto Ricans I know are Democrats except my mom's doctor but I suspect his being a Republican has more to do with him being a doctor than it has to do with him being a Puerto Rican ...

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:40 AM
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31. I'm a black Puerto Rican, though, which made it more bizarre
You had to see how people in Republican rallies struggled to understand what the heck I was and what was I doing there...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:50 AM
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33. That Is Interesting
Edited on Wed Sep-12-07 10:54 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
When I was growing up my best friend's mother was from Ponce... He was also light skinned...His mom was Puerto Rican and his dad was Irish/Cuban... His last name was Kennedy...

Talk about many nationalities...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:09 AM
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12. That Was A Freudian Slip By Our Friend
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:10 AM
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14. No, intentional. I admit I voted for him.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:07 AM
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8. bush wasn't elected.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:09 AM
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13. Seems to me Democrats are displaying an unusual level of insight
And intelligence so far! :-)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:11 AM
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15. Those who are for Obama are.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:12 AM
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19. Were You Right Now And Wrong Then Or Wrong Now And Right Then?
And why should we trust your judgment?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:16 AM
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22. I was wrong then, because I knew voting for Bush was wrong.
However, I did it for the wrong reasons (reasons that I have explained in the past). Now I'm supporting someone I truly believe in. Someone I feel can repair the damage done to this country and the world by 8 years of Republicanism.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:18 AM
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24. Please Give Me The Crib Notes Version....
"However, I did it for the wrong reasons (reasons that I have explained in the past)"
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:19 AM
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26. Post 25.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:11 AM
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17. The culture of marketing
repeat the words "change" and "experience" often enough and people will believe it -- despite the fact that she is less experienced than many of her rivals, and only cares about superficial partisan change.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:15 AM
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21. Thanks for posting......nm
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 10:24 AM
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27. More reason to
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