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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:01 PM
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How anti-war is Hillary?
Excellent post.

by kos
Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 08:08:56 AM PDT
Retired general endorses Clinton, says she doesn't oppose the Iraq war at all.

A retired U.S. Army general visiting to campaign for Hillary Clinton said yesterday she does not oppose the Iraq war -- and she said she's never heard Clinton oppose it, either <...>

Kennedy said, "I don't oppose the war. I think it's being very badly led by the civilian leadership." And, added, "I have not ever heard (Clinton) say, 'I oppose the war.' I've heard her say that we need to begin withdrawal under a plan led by the military and defense secretary. I've heard her say we need to create a regional stabilizing group by allies, by leaders in the world and by all of the states that are bordering Iraq. That is a very important idea and the point of that group is to create incentive and assurances that will keep the neighboring countries from becoming involved and entering Iraq. That's a much more sophisticated thing than saying, 'I oppose the war.'"
Huh? What the heck is she talking about? Is this some pathetic attempt to differentiate herself (and HIllary, by extension), from those dirty fucking hippies that just want to, er, end the war?

But if she wants to broadcast to all of New Hampshire that Hillary is not anti-war, then by all means, she should keep doing so.

More troubling than a confused retired general is this:

At a campaign stop here, Hillary Clinton sparred verbally for several minutes with a man who pressed her on her recent vote to call Iran's army a terrorist organization.
Randall Rolph, from nearby Nashua, asked why he should support Clinton's candidacy when she did not appear to have learned any lessons from having voted to authorize force in Iraq.

Clinton thanked him for the question and explained her Iran vote would lay the groundwork for using diplomacy and sanctions to pressure that government.

Clinton accused the man of being a plant who had been sent to ask the question, to which he took exception, saying the question was a result of his own research.

"I apologize," Clinton said, explaining that she had been asked the very same question in three other places.
She's being asked that question because many can't believe that Hillary is so damn stupid as to give George Bush a rationale for attacking Iran.

She really didn't learn her lesson the first time. Is she seriously claiming that this resolution was really needed to "lay the groundwork for using diplomacy and sanctions"? What, was Condi Rice (remember her?) hamstrung on her ability to conduct diplomacy without Congress giving her the thumbs up?

Does she think her audience is that stupid? Apparently so.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/8/15728/1624
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:08 PM
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1. Oh, good ol georgie would never do a thing like that. .........Again.
LinkTV had a show on last night showing media coverage from Vietnam buildup, Iraq buildup, and you guessed it...Iran buildup. The stuff between Iraq & Iran are almost the same exact language: just change the "n" for an "q", and ahmadinejad for hussein. I'm quite sure Hilary understands this. I just don't know why her supporters don't understand it.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:10 AM
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12. Hill's supporters DO understand her hawkishness.
But they want to "win".


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:59 PM
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2. So, kos hates Clinton. Is this really "news"?
Just a rehash of dozens of threads already posted and discussed here anyway.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:15 PM
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3. kos doesn't support Hillary
I'd hardly characterize that as hate. Hyperbole much?

And he makes some good points here. It's legitimate criticism, not hate.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:01 PM
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5. Didn't you get the memo?
If one disagrees with the Clinton nomination, they:

- are "Hillary haters"
- are Republicans
- got their information from Rush Limbaugh and/or Sean Hannity
- hate women
- are jealous of Senator Clinton
- are stupid/retarded/idiots...
- are "far-left"
- haven't realized it's "inevitable"

Please make a note of it.

:sarcasm:


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:36 PM
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4. Hillary only criticized the management of the war, not the war itself.
In fairness, Hillary is not the only Democratic candidate that has avoided the legal, moral, and ethical implications of the US invasion of Iraq. The late Pope John Paul II was not that shy when he warned the US and the UK that if they went into Iraq, they would do so "without God."
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:54 PM
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6. Like all her other positions, it depends on the audience
She's for whatever they are.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:06 PM
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7. she has been a consistent supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq
and of Bush's policies, foreign and domestic
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:21 PM
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8. NOT........eom
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:58 AM
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9. I've said it over and over again...
Hillary's issue is how the war has been conducted, not how we were deceived into going into Iraq in the first place.

And that's one of my most serious issues with her. There are others, but...
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:12 AM
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13. But Hillary didn't vote for war ...
Only to give the President leverage. :eyes:


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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:26 PM
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14. Leverage to use against Congress to GO to war.
Oh, but that isn't quite the same thing, is it?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:30 AM
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10. Clinton is not at all "anti-war". It may even be safe to say she's "Pro-war". (NT)
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:08 AM
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11. Hill is NOT going to like this.
Getting outed on pro-war stance during the primary. Nope ... not going to like this at all.


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