Gore in Democratic race actually helps Clinton

[Tellurian]

Gore in Democratic race actually helps Clinton

(10/13/07)

An InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll conducted hours after the announcement of former Vice President Al Gore’s Nobel Peace Prize indicates that Sen. Hillary Clinton actually benefits from having Gore in the presidential mix.

In the nationwide poll conducted Friday evening, Clinton had the support of 43 percent of likely Democratic primary or caucus voters – a 12 point jump from a similar national poll conducted by the organization Oct. 4-7.

When included in the presidential field, Gore was in second place with 15 percent. But his numbers come from a drop in support for the other Democratic candidates and a dramatic decrease in undecided voters from 25 percent to 5 percent.

“These results really didn’t shock me, given that when we polled with Gore in the pack nationally or in various states months ago, he had the same impact of hurting the other male candidates a bit, but not taking much, if anything, away from Clinton,” said InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery. “That said, I was slightly surprised that the Nobel news did not give him much of a boost, even among those 65 and older, who tend to watch cable and network news on a daily basis.”

The older the voting group, the better Gore did in this survey – but within a relatively narrow range. He did best among voters age 65 and older with 17 percent, and worst among those age 18-25, with 8 percent.

“Clinton has a huge lead among white voters (48%) and females (48%) and has managed to, within the margin of error, hold the same percentage of black voters as Obama (Clinton 31%; Obama 29%). Gore came in with a very low 10% of black voters and only 15% of female voters,” Towery said.

“The bottom line is that a Gore candidacy, at this stage, seems unlikely given the fact that the best thing that can happen to Hillary Clinton is another man, even one with a Nobel Prize, getting into the race and dividing up the anti-Clinton vote rather than taking votes away from her.”

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/free/2007/October/10-7-07/Gore_In_Democratic_Race_Actually_Helps_Clinton101319632.php

...another perspective giving no hope to those thinking Gore declaring a presidential run will hurt Hillary. Rather it blows the rest of the field summarily out of the water.... interesting!

If Gore does anything. I believe he will endorse Hillary at a time of his choosing!

[still_one]

1. The poll is meaningless unless Gore actually announced

Taking a poll based on a hypothectical means very little

If Gore announced, no one really knows how the dynamics would change. They sure wouldn't stay constant.

As for Gore endorsing Hillary for the nomination, I doubt it.

He will endorse whoever the Democratic nominee is however

[flyarm]

2. he will never endorse Hillary..never!! ever!! eom

[bahrbearian]

3. Sure it does ,, According to whom

Did you read this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2043377

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Gore endorses Clinton, she wins, he gets his choice of appointments.

A new Cabinet seat? Ambassador to UN? Anything he wants.

[flyarm]

6. guess you missed the memo..he said he would take no such position!!

come onnn ..is this today's hillary talking points..personally, i am about sick to death of talking points..and this one..is just off the chart for stupid!

fly

[MethuenProgressive]

8. guess you missed the memo..he said he's not running for President!!

The poll responders are all "stupid" and the poll is "phony"? OK, whatever...

[flyarm]

13. please..do show us all where Gore said he is not running..i am curious..do show us the quote..eom

[MethuenProgressive]

16. 3,190,000 results for "Gore says he's not running" from Google.

For someone who is "curious" you don't seem to know much...

[Labors of Hercules]

27. erm... correction: He has never said he is not going to run. period.

No matter how many people misquote him, the fact is, he aint said it.

[flyarm]

15. oh and please point out where i said anything about...

The poll responders are all "stupid"

the poll is "phony"?


please point to me where i said that..will you please..and be sure it is < my post > you were pointing to..

i am about sick and tired of being told i say something i did not..or that i am a hillary hater..when i am not..so please..if you are going to post that bullcrap and apply it ot me..please show me where i said that..

fly

ps i didn't say any such thing..so keep looking for it..all day if you would like..but i never posted such bullshit you attribute to me!

[frogcycle]

19. i was the one said it was phony - blame me

[flyarm]

22. oh i have no problem with what anyone says..as long as they don't lie and say "i said it"

then i will hold that poster accountable..

this persona said i said that..i did not..

thats all ..i believe in free speech..

they just better not attribute to me something i never said..i am about sick of that crap.

fly

[frogcycle]

24. its just DU's toxic atmosphere

Start a post saying "the sky is blue" and see how many flames you get.

[flyarm]

25. i have never seen it so bad..and it seems to be coming from the hillary people..

and i will not let anyone twist my posts and say they say something they don't ..i am sick of that bullshit!

i feel like i am dealing with *bots instead of dems.

fly

[flyarm]

21. oh and please "quote " where i said Gore in running in this thread..

you may believe i said that..but i did not..

so stop the bullshit..it is not flattering!!

fly

[frogcycle]

5. can we just go ahead and start 100 threads on this same phony poll and get it over with? n/t

[Tellurian]

7. My thread is a lighter presentation of a hypothetical..

I can't say I've ever considered creating a thread title such as this before. It's the perspective, I found intriguing and was interested in reading fellow comments.

Thanks for yours..:)

[MethuenProgressive]

9. Since you don't like the result, the poll is "phony"?

Tell us more about this line of reasoning, please.

[frogcycle]

12. only repeating what i've seen on DU in one of the other 100 threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2043377

[MethuenProgressive]

14. 1 = 100? Is that the "new math"?

:rofl:

[frogcycle]

18. ok, that was hyperbole - just predicting the typical DU behavior...

[MethuenProgressive]

20. ...about calling 2 or 3 similar pro-Clinton posts "100s" and a "plot"?

Yeah, I can predict that typical behavior too! :argh:

[frogcycle]

23. just to be clear

and beat this horse to death in the process

I did not say there were 100; I just jokingly said "let's start 100"

and I don't recall using the word "plot"

lighten up.

I will now return to my cone of silence.

edit - oops, I did say "one of the other 100" - my bad - but I was just playing on the original joke, for cripes sakes

[mtnsnake]

10. Even if Gore could beat Hillary, which he can't, I doubt he'd stand a better chance in the general

than Hillary would. I'm a big Gore fan, and if there was ever any justice in this world, he would become our president, but in all honesty, I'd have about as much faith of him winning a general election as I would John Kerry...well maybe not as bad as that, but I still think Al would have a much tougher task at beating the repukian candidate than Hillary or Obama would at this point in time.

[frogcycle]

17. I'd love to know what you base THAT opinion on...

the same far-right group that denies global warming and therefore hates Gore also hates Hillary for some vague indecipherable reasons.

So neither will get them to cross over.

Hillary will get some middle-of-the-road repubs and indies who don't want whatever dreck the pugs nominate. So would Gore. HRC's so-called "negatives" are higher than Gores. Big deal. Nobody knows how that translates into a two-person general election.

Both Gore and Hillary can be associated with Clinton admin, which works in their favor with some, but against them with others. So in many respects it seems a wash. Then it comes down to which one would lure MORE of those crossovers, largely which would get them to vote in lieu of staying home. That is an intangible that no poll is going to address reliably. Asked to answer a question when called on the phone vs. getting out and voting when the time comes are two different things.

I have read a lot of anecdotes of republicans expressing regret for having voted for bush, saying they would definitely vote for Gore if he were the nominee. Those are only anecdotes, and cannot be extrapolated. But I have not heard similar ones re HRC.

I don't pretend to have a crystal ball either to forecast the trend you describe nor to counter it.
I consider it a specious argument, when used as a means of trying to argue against Gore's choosing to run, if he should.

[emilyg]

26. I agree with you.

[Labors of Hercules]

28. Why?

[skids]

11. I'd switch my pref to Gore if he ran...

...not that I think he will.

[Tellurian]

29. If he did, he wouldn't win...not in the GE...

[depakid]

30. Just goes to show that people will say anything in America these days

and many Americans will believe it- no matter how ridiculous it is.