New CNN Poll: Hillary 51%, Obama 21%, Edwards 15%...

[SaveElmer]

A fourth poll with Hillary over 50%...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/16/schneider.poll/index.html

[rinsd]

1. The last 6 other polls.

USA Today/Gallup 10/12 - 10/14 500 A 50 21 13 4 Clinton +29.0
Rasmussen 10/11 - 10/14 750 LV 45 22 11 3 Clinton +23.0
American Res. Group 10/09 - 10/12 600 LV 45 20 13 3 Clinton +25.0
FOX News 10/09 - 10/10 377 LV 50 18 11 4 Clinton +32.0
AP-Ipsos 10/01 - 10/03 482 A 46 25 11 3 Clinton +21.0
ABC News/Wash Post 09/27 - 09/30 592 A 53 20 13 3 Clinton +33.0

[SaveElmer]

2. All rigged...

And or the MoE is too high, Hillary owns the companies, has bought out the CEO's of those companies, has paid off respondents, are all outliers...

Is that all of them?

[rinsd]

4. We should hold a contest for the most "creative" answer

:evilgrin:

[SaveElmer]

8. Yeah our friend...

Ethel isn't too creative here...same old tired excuse...

Someone has to come up with something better than that!

[Zandor]

26. They called me and didn't include Kucinich !!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[ElizabethDC]

3. Even as a Hillary supporter, I had thought that first poll over 50% was an outlier.

I guess that should teach me not to underestimate my own candidate?

[MannyGoldstein]

5. And How Did "I Don't Know Do"?

Polls mean zero at this point.

[rinsd]

9. Probably around 5%.

But the official pdf has yet to be posted.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. I'll Take Whatever You're Smoking!

:rofl:

[rinsd]

20. Or you could just research it so you don't look foolish. Undecided ended up @ 4%

I predicted 5% because of the trend in undecideds for this particular poll.

Undecided numbers in the last 5 CNN polls before this latest one were 3, 5, 6, 5 & 7.

Though CNN also included Gore. Undecideds with Gore removed for the last 6 polls including the latest are 7, 3, 6, 6, 7 & 8.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

But hey feel free to smoke whatever helps you cope with REALITY.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. You're Right. I Assumed It Was A "Who *Will* You Vote For Poll"

Not a "Who are you likely to support poll".

My bad.

But polls still mean zero at this point. Nada. Zilch. Zed.

[rinsd]

23. In the inerest of fairness, undecideds "jumped" to 7% when Gore was removed (nt)

[Ethelk2044]

6. Hillary friend owns the polling company

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. She must have a lot of friends, as many polls are showing similar results

[Capn Sunshine]

7. Read the results. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Asked if they would vote for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate for president, voters prefer the Democrat by 13 points.

But when the two front-runners are pitted against each other, Clinton leads Guiliani by just two percentage points, 49 percent to 47 percent, a statistical tie.

This is the basis of my fear of a Hillary candidacy. Democratic lead evaporates if she's the candidate.

NO mention of how Obama or Edwards would do.

One wonders where they got that "list" of 485 voters.

[rinsd]

10. Generic leads almost always disappear with named candidates.

Here's more from the article.

"The race between Clinton and Giuliani is close, not because Clinton is weak, but because Giuliani gets a lot more support from moderate and independent voters than a generic Republican candidate. That's the irony, Giuliani is trying to sound more and more like a typical Republican to get the nomination. But voters don't see him as a typical Republican."

BTW with Rudy in the race, Obama & Edwards struggle in the NorthEast(NY, NJ, PA & OH) though Obama does slightly better than Edwards in NY and Edwards does much better in OH.

[The Ghost]

16. and...

doesnt this just back up that independent voters will go with Giuliani over Clinton? seems pretty obvious

[rinsd]

17. Not necessarily.

Rudy doesn't offer what Indies want which is a change from the Bush admin's approach to the war. Rudy has shown little if any indication of doing that.

Also what has been most evident about Rudy is the idea of Rudy is far more appealing than the man actually is. He began this campaign with other worldly fav/unfav numbers. Now he's barely maintaining a net fav with a media that hasn't attacked him. Shit by late June the Fred Thompson watch had begun in earnest. He is a terrible campaigner.

[alfredo]

12. She will expose his neo con ties, will paint him as bush lite.

[Cha]

27. They got it from their watchers

who know what they catapult.

[NotGivingUp]

13. they just keep on churning out the bullshit. n/t

[smalll]

31. Nimrod. /nt

[Hardrada]

32. Hillbot!

[sampsonblk]

14. No Surprise

The more they hit at her, the more her numbers improve.

[Rhythm and Blue]

15. The interesting part is how Gore's doing in there.

Now that Gore has won the Nobel Peace Prize, there doesn't appear to be a surge of support for him to make a run. Gore came in third among Democrats, at 14 percent -- about the same as last month -- when included in the poll as a potential candidate.

[dugggy]

19. If Hillary was 25 points behind Obama, then the polls would be correct

or Edwards for that matter. Hillary always loses in a landslide
on DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Hillary Is 2-0 In Races...Bill is 7-1...

When have they lost, pray tell?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. My Bad

Bill is 8-1...

[dugggy]

28. HRC has lost every poll on DU that I came across anyways n/t

[Tellurian]

25. But for US...Thats a good sign..

DU is always out of the loop.

If Hillary supporters weren't here, you'd be cut off from the outside world.

[superkia]

29. For the Clinton and Edwards supporters that look at this...

have either of your candidates ever spoke about their involvement in the Bilderberg group or what its purpose is? I can only find conspiracy theories, nothing from anyone that has participated. It says that top people from business, media and politics attend and they both have attended. If you leave out the conspiracy theories, I am curious why the leaders of business, media and politics meet up for these meetings. Edwards went back when he was going to run as VP and Clinton went back in 1997. Bill Clinton actually attended in 1991 and from 1993 to 2001. I had never heard of this until the other day and my curiosity is killing me, I am hoping that one of the attendees may have mentioned it and since you all are supporters maybe you would have heard of it.

[Colobo]

30. I prefer this poll:

www.barackobama.com

$618,739 in a couple of hours, and counting.

Our movement is alive and kicking, regardless if polls have Hillary at 75%.