Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise

[William769]

Who knew? All this time we’ve been told about how “divisive, unelectable, ‘radioactive’” Hillary Clinton is, but it seems there’s something statistically wrong with what the pundits have been telling us. Go figure…

Judith Warner explains in her Domestic Disturbances column:

The shocks just keep on coming:

Hillary Clinton leads the Democratic field with 51 percent of the vote.

She beats Barack Obama by 24 percentage points among black Democrats.

She is projected now to beat Giuliani – or at the very least to be in a statistical dead heat with him in the general election.

This wasn’t supposed to happen. According to the received wisdom of those in-the-know here in Washington, Hillary was supposed to be divisive, unelectable, “radioactive.”

It was the fault of Bill and Monica, and the fact that you never knew when there was going to be another Bill and Monica. It was the fault of Hillary – for not taking the hard line on Bill and Monica the way a woman of her stature and standing was supposed to do. And it was the fault of voters – those people out there who would never, ever elect another Clinton.

Why? Because … everyone said so.

http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/

[niceypoo]

1. Um, the republicans went after Bill Clinton for 6 years before Monica

How many failed investigations? The republicans even launched an investigation into the Clintons christmas card list. Clinton was at 70% DURING the impeachment and 68% upon leaving office. Do the math.

[William769]

2. I have done the math, thats why I posted this.

:)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. I was speaking to an African-American man yesterday about the support for Hillary

According to him, the reason that more Black people are supporting her is because they believe America is too racist to elect a Black president. Many actually fear for Obama's safety if he is the nom.

So that's what Hillary Clinton is benefitting from. Isn't that awesome? Yay racism!

[William769]

4. SO the African American support they had in the 90's was due to racism?

Your post reeks of... Well I'll just say it reeks.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. Hey, that's what the guy said. Take it up with him if you don't like it.

And your comment about the 90s is just stupid. Who was their alternative then?

[William769]

6. So then why did the civil right movement go forward? Didn't people die then.

Women died during the Woman's suffrage movement. This is a man's Country and some are afraid she will be hurt just because she's a woman. Is that stopping women from supporting her/ I think not.

That is probably the worst argument I have ever heard of not supporting someone, and the worst excuse for why Hillary is doing so well. :eyes:

Who is their alternative now?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. Now you are just being insulting and offensive

Another addition to my ignore list.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Not my problem with Clinton.

She represents another 4-8 years of neocon/neoliberal crap. The Republic, or what is left of it, cannot survive 'more of the same: demopublican variant'.

[ginchinchili]

8. I guess all these Hillary jokes I keep getting from various people are my imagination.

And so is the fact that I don't get any regarding any other candidate. I guess all those Clinton haters who backed his impeachment, elected a Republican president and republican majorities have sudden decided to embrace Hillary as definite presidential material. I guess the Republicans have decided forget about all the trumped-up charges they leveled at the Clintons, including Hillary's disappearing files and questionable fund raising practices. I guess the independents have decided that no one can unite this country better than Hillary, the new "uniter not a divider." The imagination is an amazing thing, isn't it?

[William769]

9. You know whats amazing, they couldn't convict him.

Not even with a simple majority vote. And what's really amazing is he left office with a approval rating that only two other President in American history can match.

[opihimoimoi]

10. Proving even Republicans love oral sex......all kinds of oral stuff.

[Froward69]

11. So Hillary is riding those coattails

never really speaking her own mind... only what the polls say. if her administration will be another BILL Clinton presidency, it infers she was pulling the strings to begin with. How the Re pukes have cozied up with her, coupled with how cooperate Insurance and weapon manufactures have. Gives me a feeling of Bile kicking up. Hopefully when the other 90% of America starts paying attention. Hillary will have to stand on her own. Thus her numbers will readjust appropriately.

[William769]

12. I was just responding to what the poster brought up, take it up with him.

[dragonlady]

13. Clarification on impeachment

The vote necessary to impeach a president is 2/3 of the senators.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01EEDE1431F931A2575AC0A96E958260


In Clinton's case they got 45 guilty votes on one count and 50 on the other (all Republicans, of course).