Are you ready for 4 more years of a Republican President?

[kentuck]

That is the direction we are going. Who believes the Democrats are going to win in a cakewalk? It's not going to happen. Why?

Because, our Party is more divided now than when John Kerry was the nominee - much more divided. That does not bode well for the next election.

If we think the Republicans are going to desert their Party after the disaster of "W", then we should think again. They will be back at the trough slopping up the same old slop when Romney and Huckabee start giving them their pep talks. They are primed and ready for "more taxcuts" and "family values". There will be very little drop off with the Republican voters.

I know this is depressing to think about. However, we should not deceive ourselves into thinking the Democrat is an automatic winner. He/She is not. If we don't get our stuff together, and soon, we will probably be looking at a Republican president in January, 2009.

[Carrieyazel]

1. If we nominate a sitting Senator, we will have another 4 years of Repukes in the White House.

Only one (JFK) has ever made it to the White House in the Democratic Party. Senators are a terrible bet, yet we could nominate another one. If we don't want to seal our fate, we must go outside the box.

[dugggy]

39. and only because JFK had charisma coming out of his ears

n/t

[spag68]

2. Stop the doom and gloom

Not one vote, not one caucus, nothing yet. When we have a candidate, the dems will gather behind that person. Nobody wants another rethug in that office,after all who do they have? Huck thinks the earth is 6000 years old and evolution is a myth. Rudy is a cross dresser and us New Yorkers despise him, by the way we know about rummy rommy also. John is the toughest they have and he is bat shit crazy In case you haven't heard even the aussies and poles have got rid of their right wing crazies, so hold on and just cast your vote. My moto :stress is the enemy,get a grip.

[lostnotforgotten]

3. I Will Never Support HRC - Some Of Us Are Not Sheeple!

eom

[spag68]

7. never is such an evil word

Maybe you can just keep an open mind, even Hilary is better then any rethug.

[yellowcanine]

10. And "sheeple" is also an evil word. It is a favorite of the right wing militia black helicopter

wingnuts. We ought not to use it to refer to fellow DUers. People have good reasons for supporting Hillary and it doesn't mean they are not thinking for themselves. The same is true of supportors of the other Democratic candidates. We need to respect each other's views a little more, imo.

[lostnotforgotten]

12. Sheeple And Freeper Are Pejoratives That Are Oft Used To Describe

The Right Wing on DU by DUers.

Seem you are out of step.

[yellowcanine]

14. Ah but you were using it to refer to DUers. I stand by my criticism.

How does the fact that some may use it to refer to freepers justify using it to refer to DUers? I would be just as critical of someone calling DUers "freepers". And the word "sheeple" did originate with the militia types so how does the fact that others use it make me "out of step"? Sloppy thinking, that.

[lostnotforgotten]

35. I Described My Self As Not Being A Sheeple - That Is I Will Not

Willingly follow the destructive strategies of the current Democratic party leadership.

[yellowcanine]

47. Nice try but no, what you said was "some of us are not sheeple", implying that those who might

support Hillary are sheeple, as if someone could not support Hillary because they think she is the best candidate. Try again.

[lostnotforgotten]

52. You Obviously Are Inferring That You Are A Sheeple

What's the old saying, if the shoe fits ....

Mind you I only said that I am not a Sheeple.

[lostnotforgotten]

11. My Principles Have Not Changed - The Corporate Controlled

Democratic Party's Principles Have.

HRC is a Bush supporting corporatist.

Prove me wrong!

[yellowcanine]

16. The burden of proof is on those who make the claim.

"HRC is a Bush supporting corporatist.
Prove me wrong!"

Prove yourself right!

[lostnotforgotten]

36. She Voted For Bush's War - Proof Enough!

eom

[yellowcanine]

48. Actually no - she and a number of other Democrats voted to authorize force "if necessary".

Not quite the same thing. Anyway, if one vote makes someone a "Bush supporting Corporatist" you are going to have a hard time finding anyone "pure enough" to be an acceptable candidate.

[lostnotforgotten]

50. Same Difference - She Played Right Into Bush's Hands!

eom

[cali]

17. lol

why bother? You seem to be a closed minded sort, and you use stock sloganeering language right off the Counterpunch warehouse shelf. Amusing to see you call others sheeple, when you evidently can't write a sentence using your own words.

Honesly, if you can't tell the difference between Clinton and the probable repuke candidates, I could give a fig if you voted.

You sound just like those who swore in 2000 that they wouldn't vote for gore, because there was no meaningful difference between him and bush.

Axiomatic, but some people never do learn.

[lostnotforgotten]

37. Funny How You Characterize Me And I Have Not Characterized You

I am telling you what I am going to do.

If that makes you uncomfortable, then so be it!

[yellowcanine]

49. But you characterized those who think differently as "sheeple".

[lostnotforgotten]

51. I Characterized Myself As Not Being A Sheeple

If you want to infer from that you are a Sheeple, then so be it!

[think4yourself]

4. Hang in there!

Be cool, this thing hasn't even started yet and we will all come together behind our nominee. Take a break, we need you!!!

[AlertLurker]

5. I think it only seems that way.

Everyone has a horse in the race, right now. It's only natural that the Obamaians hate the Hilbots hate the Bidenbots hate the Kucinichians hate the Edwardians hate the Richardsonians hate the Doddites...

Once there is a nominee, there will be peace, somewhat, I think.

What was it like around here last cycle?

[Vickers]

6. Everyone hugged. There were tears, there was laughter.

I believe someone (SwampRat? BOSSHOG?) let a little fart out, but I may be imagining that.

[babylonsister]

19. All that kissing and making up!

:D

[BeyondGeography]

9. Pretty much the same...with one exception

Just kidding. She gets the nomination, just about everyone here will fight for her after the first night of the Republican convention.

[emilyg]

26. You bet your sweet.....

[BeyondGeography]

32. A few shots of the opposition in all their ugliness and Primary Wars at DU will be ancient history

[rjones2818]

8. Group hug time!

:grouphug:

and maybe an individual hug or two!

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Now...back to the candidate wars!!!

:evilgrin:

:hide:

[Iris]

13. I'll take a Pepperidge Farm Coconut Cake, please.

n/t

[zeemike]

15. The Republicans will get a lot of help with the aid of the media

Atheist will demand all references to god be taken off everything.
Gays will protest and demand marriage and the right to adopt.
Schools will be shown to fail and continue to be problems.
Immigrants will be in your face
did I forget anyone?
All of this just before the election and the media will cover it in detail.
And on our side the candidates will back track on the war.
Have fund raising scandals.
say stupid things,
And coincide the election as quickly as possible without ever raising the possibility of fraud. See how nicely that all works together?

[H2O Man]

18. It's a real possibility.

I'd add that we could blow the opportunity to make significant gains in congress, along with advancing in state elections.

There are two factors: First, the republican machine is capable of promoting even the most unattractive and incompetent candidates; and second, it isn't just the disagreements in the democratic party, it's what you say about the divisions that are resulting from those disagreements. There are times the two factors overlap, but we should be prepared for this by now.

[chapel hill dem]

20. My R in-laws are giving money to Hillary in hopes that she is the

D nominee. They are also backing Thompson and believe the entire R party will push him forward as their nominee at a brokered R convention.

It was an interesting Thanksgiving visit...

[rasputin1952]

21. Things will change when we have a nominee...

this Primary Season is so absurdly long, everyone is on edge. Sit back, take it easy, the R candidates are things that fell out of the vegetable bin and the RNC picked them off the floor and tossed 'em into the fray.

Once we get a nominee, and no one knows who the nominee will be regardless of "polls and pundits", we'll essentially come together and get behind him/her. There will be some that will screech, that's the way it is, but there is no way I am calling this race. Anything can happen, one line can kill off a candiate's support, illness, death.....anything can change everything in a minute.

Just about the only thing I find ridiculous is the continual bashing of candidates among the D's I see and hear every day. You'd think bringing up the good points of a candidate would do more to understand them, than draggin them through the mud and kicking in their chests...:eyes:

We should be doing that to the R's...:)

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Actually I think you are wrong. Completely wrong.

I think that the discontent is pretty widespread and that the Democratic nominee, any Democratic nominee, will have a substantial victory and larger majorities in both houses of the legislature.

[kentuck]

23. I hope you are right....

But we thought that also in 2004...and look what happened?

[Prophet 451]

28. Yes, the election was stolen n/t

[kentuck]

29. And what has changed...?

To keep it from being stolen again??

[Prophet 451]

30. Fair question

As I understand it, the Diebold machines have been de-certified in many places but it is something we should be worried about.

[Carrieyazel]

31. No. Too many Republicans and conservative-leaning Indeps vote in these generals.

That's never going to happen. Even our best nominee (not Hillary) would win by about a couple of percentage points at best. The electoral college winner will not get to 300 EVs. This will be another close election. But if we nominate a bad candidate (like Hillary) our chances of winning will be slim to none against their most electable candidate.

[mmonk]

24. It's not going to be a cakewalk because of congress and their failure

to act against the crimes against this democracy thus exposing them to a clueless people. We do not operate in a country where most of the people get propaganda free media.

[Carrieyazel]

33. And the failure of Congress and the cynical view that many hold of it

should make our decision easier on a nominee. Why nominate someone who's part of the problem? (In Congress??) Congress is incapable, weak and viewed with contempt by so many. Yet we're about to nominate someone who is part of this mess. Its one of the reasons I'm supporting Richardson.

[mtnsnake]

25. If our Party doesn't get behind Dennis to impeach Bush, then it will be 4 more Republican years

Republicans impeached Clinton over a blowjob. What did they get for their efforts? They got 8 years of George W Bush.

One of these days our Party will wake the fuck up, too.

[CrispyQ]

27. Most of us are voting on the same electronic voting machines in the primaries

that we vote on in the general.

Guess again if you think you have any say in who our dem candidate is.

[Mythsaje]

34. Time to give up then, I guess... n/t

[hedgetrimmer]

38. ABB Baby ! Rah! Rah! Rah!

Right, that's how the slogan goes. So, it does not matter... but here is the clincher, the Democratic party members change the tune they sing based on the climate of political horse shit being fling-ed around... the party is so full of shit they are composting faster then they can think of ways to grow something new... if this party fails, take a long look in the mirror right on back to McGovern cause that was the last time the democratic party had any backbone......

We need a candidate who will stand up and call a F*ck a F*ck regardless if he is too short or his wife is too tall... We need a candidate that stands up for the people, not some dip shit they do not care about as long as their is a D next to the name...

If your D candidate wins and you can sleep at night knowing they are just as large fuckers as any R if not bigger then you, I and we still lose...

If this is what you mean by divided polarization then I think you got the # and it is up.... This party has got to stop trying to train me and be the party I believe in or it can enjoy Anybody But Bush!

[Perry Logan]

40. Deleted

[Perry Logan]

41. Yes. As a satirist, I would love another Republican President. But don't worry.

In all the world, only DUers think the Republicans have a shot.

But there isn't enough Kool-Aid in the world to make people forget which party fucked up. Even the Wall Street Journal admits the Republican Party is in a state of "bankruptcy and organizational disrepair."

[Ninga]

44. Sorry, but this is sounding too much like the bravado of 2004, and kool-aid or not,

do not EVER underestimate the Repbulican machine and their ability to get out the vote.

Overconfidence is not the order of the day.

[ileus]

42. Hillary is going to win all 50 states for us. Wait and see...Have Faith.

[Ninga]

43. I have worked on senatorial, congressional, local and presidential election campaigns actively and

consistently since 1960.

You are dead wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

[K Gardner]

45. No, and I have a nice oceanfront condo awaiting in Italy..

just in case.

[DCKit]

46. You Funny!!!! I'm putting "My Pet Goat" aside and picking up "Chicken Little" nt