"I think it's going to come down to: Do you really want Bill Clinton back in the White House?"

[jefferson_dem]

...said Donna Brazile, who ran Democrat Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071125/NEWS09/711250327/1001/RSS01

[Double T]

1. LOUD resounding NO!!!

[acmavm]

2. I'm with you.

[Auntie Bush]

77. We're either with you or against you.. I'm against you!

You go girl and bring Bill with you.

[mzteris]

17. yeah - cause those eight years

he was in was so devastatingly bad for the country, the economy, the poor, world reputation, balancing the budget . . .

[Double T]

21. When 'YOU' are selling off and selling out the country, initially there is a false perception..........

that the economy is doing really well; later 'WE' discover that what appeared to be a great economy was actually the exact opposite.

[Uben]

25. The numbers don't lie

Look at em! They are a sweet reminder of the way we were. The only Clinton numbers I did not like were the ones concerning trade deficit, and even those looked better than the previous administrations. You will be hard pressed to find any candidate that can pull off a repeat of the Clinton administration, much less better it.

[Double T]

30. Denial is what has put our economy into its failed state; continuing the clinton/bush economic.....

policies will assuredly bankrupt our nation.

[Uben]

42. Denial?

Are you denying the numbers put up by the Clinton administration? That surely would be a monumental benchmark for the next administration to reach! I just hope we can come close. Where were you at?

[Double T]

56. State of Reality. You should visit US here sometime.

[Uben]

62. I've been here daily

....since 2001. I'd say I have been "here" a while. I would just like you to show me what you did not like about the Clinton numbers. They are history, easily obtainable, and very admirable. I stated what I thought the short-comings were, but they were miniscule to the big picture. He took over in a recession and left with a projected deficit surplus. The times were peaceful, prosperous, and enjoyed lower crime rates and higher job creation. If only we could find someone to replay those years!

Hey, we're on the same team, and have our favorite players, but I will be voting for the democrat, regardless of who wins the nomination. I just take exception to anyone who tries to play down the accomplishments of the Clinton administration. They are quite well above any administration in recent history.

[KittyWampus]

23. He allowed the NeoCons to go investigated. They've come back with a vengeance, haven't they?

Great job, Clinton.

Swept all that traitorous, criminal activity under the rug, so the bastards could steal an election in 2000 and destroy the US.

We can also note, he happily allowed the further privatization of our military.

Gave the MIC even MORE money than it requested.

Oh, and the gap between rich and poor grew even wider.

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. That is as good a sumary as any

I suspect that Hillary's campaign is betting yes and I have no doubt that Bill will become increasingly visible on the campaign trail as the voting gets closer.

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. Assuming that the Clinton's think most Democratic voters would say "Yes"...

...they would like Bill Clinton back in the White House, than I think Hillary's strategy to date has both been shrewd and about to change. Up until now she certainly has not run away from her husband, clearly she claims some credit for aspects of his record, but she hasn't made their marriage central to her campaign either, and she has not let him upstage her on the stump. At one point there were some who didn't know if she could pull that one off. Bill Clinton has always been credited with having mega charisma, but he hasn't overshadowed Hillary to date.

That is important to Hillary's chances, because in order to get elected President enough voters have to believe that Hillary is strong enough to stand for the job on her own two feet. I doubt that she could afford to be overshadowed by her husband and still run a winning campaign for President. But I admit to being surprised at how well Hillary has managed to date to run a campaign where the debate has centered mostly on the merits of her own candidacy, and not predominantly on some appeal to a return to the prior Clinton years.

But the latter can be a potent card to play. Increasingly in 2004 and 2006 national Democrats have been pointing out to the American people how much better off they were in all ways during 8 years of a Democratic Administration than they have been by the Republican one that replaced Bill Clinton. I believe that Bill Clinton will now start inching closer to the Hillary Clinton campaign spotlight, and that the restraint she has shown in not over playing that card before now has served her well, as she has already established herself now as a formidable Democratic leader under her own name, out from under Bill's shadow.

[Uben]

4. I'd give that a HELL YEAH!

Best President we have had in many, many decades!

[K8-EEE]

53. OMG....compared to Chimpy??? Those were the days!

Chimpy just really makes me ashamed -- actually anybody SMART even if I don't agree with them would be less embarrassing than these horrid BushCo years. I'm traveling to Europe this summer and I'm literally embarrassed to be American right now, I hate to admit it but it's true.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. I think the issue is irrelevant as I don't believe that Hillary will consult

that much with him in order to be "independent" and her own woman in the White House. Bill will be a shadowy presence with not much allowed to be contributed.

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. Whether or not we agree on that

and for the record we don't, is not the point. I think most voters will assume that they will work closely together if Hillary is elected, and whether or not voters think that is a good or bad thing will strongly influence many votes.

[Captain Hilts]

35. She's not running against Bubba the way W ran against GHWB. nt

[MaineDem]

6. I'd vote for him if he could run again

I wouldn't marry him but I'd vote for him.

But I know this isn't about having him as President. He would be the First Spouse or whatever cute phrase is coined. I assume some will have a problem with it. It doesn't enter the equation, in my mind, in determining my choice for our candidate.

[Captain Hilts]

36. He wins EVERY theoretical constest with GWB, Gore and even won as Mayor of NYC!

So much for "Clinton fatigue."

[ilovesunshine]

7. So, it's okay for Obama to have Oprah hitting the campaign trail...

but, it's no good to have Bill campaigning for his wife?

Oh, and to answer your question...

YES!

[jenmito]

39. Yes. Obama's not running on Oprah's record. Hillary IS running on her husband's record

when convenient, and distancing herself from it when THAT'S convenient. "Well, he's not standing here right now." Remember that line during a debate when she was asked about one of her husband's positions on torture? As usual, she wants it both ways.

[Alamom]

57. He's using Oprah's fame, her life story (rags to riches), her face is seen on millions

of TV's every day. She's known around the world. She's highly respected for what she has accomplished and I dare say as well known as either of the Clintons.


People (here) partied for days when she announced her support for Obama.......admitting she had never been involved in politics before.


Rumor has it, she's going to stump in Iowa and NH.....
Now, "WHY" do you suppose she would do that?



She is not known for wasting her time on worthless projects that don't pay off.

[jenmito]

60. Again, he's not running on Oprah's record. Hillary IS running on her husband's record.

when convenient. If Oprah were to support Hillary I'm sure Hillary supporters would have a totally different opinion of her, her status, and her motives.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. I would like to see a study of the amount of negative reporting that is done on Clinton versus

the other candidates.

Look at the tone of this article. It starts out:

"Bill Clinton will get his chance in the Iowa caucuses after all.

The Democrat who skipped campaigning in the state during his own bid for the presidential nomination is stepping up his role as chief advocate for his wife, Hillary Clinton.

Meanwhile, her leading opponents for the Democrats' nomination subtly but persistently point out the former president's failures for which they say the New York senator shares responsibility."

It is amazing to me to see the amount of negativity Clinton endures versus the other candidates. I wonder how she is fairing so well. I have not seen a negative story about..for example...Oprah campaigning for Obama.

[Debi]

9. Donna Brazille did not 'run' Gore's campaign

Just because she says it on television doesn't make it so.

[jefferson_dem]

16. Not to quibble, but wasn't her title "campaign manager"?

By the way, the reference to her above is as it appeared in the Register.

[Debi]

22. No - well.... NO

Tony Coehlo was the campaign manager (or chairman) through the National Convention. Then several folks jumped on board. I'm certain Brazille was a deputy something-or-other within the campaign and was paid for her knowledge and work. But she has stated repeatedly that she 'ran' his campaign in Iowa (wrong, Paul Tewes did that).

[ElizabethDC]

65. She was his campaign manager

see her bio here: http://www.brazileassociates.com/page.cfm?id=2

Donna Brazile is Founder and Managing Director of Brazile and Associates, LLC. Brazile, Chair of the Democratic National Committee's Voting Rights Institute (VRI) and an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University, is a senior political strategist and former Campaign Manager for Gore-Lieberman 2000 - the first African American to lead a major presidential campaign

[Debi]

78. Her bio....

Like I said before her saying it doesn't make it so. I do believe she was a deputy campaign manager working with others farther down the food chain, but she did not run the show. I know she didn't run it in Iowa and I'm certain Tony Coehlo would be surprised to hear that she ran it nationally.

But she can say what she wants, and you can believe what you want.

[Richardo]

11. Donna Brazile is the best Republican strategist ever.

Why she gets to speak for Democrats is beyond me, except that she's such an easy target.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Do you disagree with her comment? n/t

[Richardo]

18. Yes. Mary Matalin could have said the exact same thing.

I think a Democrat would have said: It comes down to 'Do you want four more years of Bush-lite?'

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. That would be a classic push poll question, lol

It seems you would not want Clinton back in the White House. But it is a bit of a stretch to define a Democrat as someone who believes Clinton (either one) is Bush lite. Some do, some don't, but most of the tens of millions of enrolled Democrats would not describe either Hillary or Bill as "Bush Lite". Call that a good or a bad thing, but it simply is true.

[K Gardner]

12. Sorry, I love Bubba

Maybe its a southern thing :-)

But it doesn't logically follow that I'm a Hillary supporter just because I'm fond of Bill.

[Bitwit1234]

14. HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes does every body get it President Hillary will bring back President Bill yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and the rest can suck air.

[Ninga]

15. Been there done that.....it is time for a progressive agenda...a real one. n/t

[Kahuna]

19. I don't think that's it. If Bill was running he'd have my support. Hillary

isn't Bill and I do not think Hillary and see another WJC administration. I see a HRC administration and I don't know what that would look like because she's been so glib. All I DO KNOW about her is that she's a hawk. I do not want a hawk in the white house. PERIOD!

[BlueJac]

24. Fuck No...........Fuck NAFTA.......

Change does not mean more of the fucking same insanity!

[Captain Hilts]

37. You have a choice: lost jobs to China/Indonesia OR to Mexico/Canada. Pick one.

I choose Canada/Mexico.

[gulliver]

26. Donna Brazile ran Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign. n/t

[Louis J Sheehan]

27. Billary

I doubt the CIA agent outing "Fair Game" Republicans will be able to try to impeach her for some sex act so we'll avoid that pointless distraction. Louis J Sheehan

[wyldwolf]

28. IF it comes down to that, my answer is YES

[L0oniX]

29. Uhm

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

72. Thanks for sharing that swell picture from an anti-Dem hate site

You skipped some even cooler pictures of Democratic women there:

[creeksneakers2]

31. I wish Bill was never forced to leave

We'd be so much better off now if Bill was still in and GW Bush wasn't. I'd like Bill to be the president for life, so long as he could keep getting reelected. Bill is the best we have.

[sampsonblk]

32. Yes, please.-nt

[Captain Hilts]

34. Brazil's an idot, but the answer is, "yes, I just might want him makin' peace for us ...

around the world." Even conservative Anne Applebaum of the Wash Post noted last week how thoroughly Prez Bush has ruined, RUINED our reputation abroad.

Put Bubba on the road and at the US's seat at the UN when/if things heat up.

[The River]

48. He Does Not Have To Be IN the WH

to be "makin' peace for us".
Any one of the nominees, when elected,
could make him an Ambassador at large or to the UN
or where ever he might want to serve, if at all.

[Captain Hilts]

49. He's a known - and respected - quantity. No time off for a learning process. nt

[Imagevision]

38. Bushes, Clintons then Jeb, this is getting sooo old...

[Auntie Bush]

76. What makes you think the brother of the worst president ever

could possibly be our future president? Photos of him visiting his jail bird brother would destroy him. In fact bush already destroyed any chances of a future bush presidency...especially after the historians get done checking him out and discover 10 times the errors and laws he's broken.
This (after Hillary)is the end if the C/B dynasties! Not to worry!

[oasis]

94. 200 years of male U.S.presidents. Talk about getting old.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

40. 5th K&R. Great article. Thanks.

:hi:

[ladjf]

41. In a word, NO. Not because he wasn't intelligent but because

despite his political adroitness, he seemed to be putting his personal needs ahead of those of the Country. We can do better than that.

[formercia]

43. and he didn't hold Poppy accountable.

Had he given GHW Bush his fair and due process, we probably wouldn't be discussing this right now.

I consider that his 'Mother of all Fuckups.'

[zulchzulu]

44. Ask most Republicans that question and you can see why they want Hillary as nominee

Would the Republican base be electrified by the notion that their candidates would run against not just one, but two Clintons? It's an RNC wet dream.

Add the divisiveness of the Clintons within their own party and you see what is obviously the biggest mistake the Democrats could make with Hillary as the nominee.

Empowering the Republican base while making the Democratic base be turned off with negative coat tails for other Democrats is not exactly the best way to get back the White House. It's more than obvious to me.

[HughMoran]

45. Bill is a lot more appealing to me than Hillary

I like the idea of having Bill there to advise her and champion a social issue or two.

[Cameron27]

46. Sure, I'd like Bill back in the WH.

[Peregrine Took]

47. NO I don't and no one I know does either. Clinton's & Bush's - go away!!

We've had enough of both of you.

[Nimrod2005]

50. Fuck NO, NO NO NO NO NO NO

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[K8-EEE]

51. Donna Brazile is so annoying....(PS....YES i would like that, but...)

I don't equate Hillary with "Bill Clinton back in the WH." Isn't that kind of sexist? She's running, not him. And I'm voting for Edwards!

[cuke]

52. Another Obama supporter buying the MSM's spin

The media quotes a dem out of context (again) and an Obama supporter swallows it whole without question (again)

[K8-EEE]

55. I have to agree

Obama doesn't really bug me much but his supporters are on my last nerve!

[AtomicKitten]

54. Hillary isn't Bill and it's time to move on from the partisan

1990s hate-festival.

[Alamom]

58. Absolutely. nm

[Adelante]

59. I want Obama in the White House

But that has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. If Hillary ultimately wins the presidency, I have no problem with Bill Clinton in the White House.

[Tom Rinaldo]

63. On the composite electoral ledger

I think having Bill Clinton as her husband is overall a plus to Hillary in seeking the nomination, and ultimately the Presidency. I have mixed feelings about both of them, but that remains my political sense of the matter. It cuts both ways, but overall for the most voters I think it cuts for her more than it cuts against her. Literally, Bill Clinton, for better or worse, will be back living in the White House if Hillary Clinton gets elected.

[Reno.Muse]

61. That has been my question since H. announced her run & I say no

[BenDavid]

64. Both Clintons were and are right for America!

The Clintons bet on America, the Bushes bet against us.
The Clintons bet on peace, the Bushes own oil, which goes up in war.
The Clintons brokered peace agreements, the Bushes own gold, which goes up in war.
Clinton told the world, "Bet on America," when he paid down Reagan's debt.
Bush borrows from others, because nobody wants to bet on a loser.
Clinton prevented terrorist attacks, Bush creates terror every day he's in office.
With Clinton, we had peace, a surplus, a Constitution and the world's respect.

What do we have now, besides nearly 4000 dead soldiers?

Ben David

[LanternWaste]

66. My world was pretty good during his Presidency.

My world was pretty good during his Presidency. So were the world's of my family, friends and co-workers. Not so good since then, so I wouldn't fight against another Clinton after the primaries are over...

[Basileus Basileon]

67. That is not a question HRC's opponents should be asking.

[JerseygirlCT]

68. Were I Hillary Clinton, this would be very upsetting

The idea that there is no difference between her and her husband... isn't that sort of weird? Like she'd just be a placeholder so he could be in office again?

There's plenty I'm not happy about wrt Hillary. But this sounds just insulting to me.

[MasonJar]

69. Except for Al Gore, there is no one I would rather see back in the WH.

The GOPers will self-destruct.

[TankLV]

70. Let's see - PEACE, HOPE, PROSPERITY - as far as the eyes could see...

I would give ANYTHING to have Clinton back in the White House.

In fact, I would give ALL that he never left in the first place!

Especially in light of all that we know now and that has happened since he left...

Without a doubt, without any hesitation, in a heartbeat - I would LOVE to have Bill Clinton back in OUR White House...

[Odin2005]

71. That's the only reason my mother like Hillary.

She wants Big Dawg back in there! :rofl:

[CnAnPB]

73. William Jefferson Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama ?

Let me guess who would get elected. Hummmm....

[Debi]

79. HUH, his middle name is HUSSEIN????

OH MY GOD :wow:

Welcome to DU, enjoy your stay :hi:

[CnAnPB]

80. Get use to it

HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN
HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN
HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN
HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN
HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN

Will be all you hear from the RW if Sen Obama is the nominee. Not from the Pug candidate directly but from all of the RW surrogates.

[Debi]

82. And you've come to educated us over at the Democratic Underground?

How did we all ever get so blessed??

Oh, and thanks for telling me what all the RW surrogates will be saying about the Democratic candidates. Usually I have to hit RW sites to get that kind of info :eyes:

[CnAnPB]

83. So, back to the OP

Would you want William Jefferson Clinton back in the WH or Barack Hussein Obama ?

btw-- Thanks for the 'welcome'! :)

[jefferson_dem]

85. I'll take the latter. How about you? Who do you support?

Seriously.

[CnAnPB]

88. Seriously

I will support the Dem candidate, as to the California primary I'm supporting HRC.

[Debi]

90. forget this...see below n/t

[CnAnPB]

93. LOL

Is HRC a Dem? I go back to one of the 1st posts I read on DU when I signed up. It went something like "They weren't democrats they were HRC supporters." Many(too many) DUers chimed in with GObama. Fuck those posters. I'm sure you're not one of those posters :)

[Debi]

89. I would like the Democratic nominee to live in the White House

and the 22nd Amendment keeps 'Bill' Clinton from running again. If I had to choose between a constitutional battle trying to get Clinton a third term or having someone sworn in on Jan. 20th I would choose Barack Obama. (he doesn't use his middle name when he introduces himself, why should I - or you- use it in conversation?)

[jefferson_dem]

84. RW surrogates, huh? Thanks for the *concerned* forewarning...

Welcome to DU! Have fun...and enjoy your stay. :hi:

[CnAnPB]

87. Thanks

for the Welcome! :)

[Debi]

91. I feel like nobody is listening....

these type of posts are all over the board. :eyes:

[earth mom]

74. NO-HELL NO! nt

[pa28]

75. Hillary is not my first choice.

But you have to admit there would be some entertainment value in watching freeper heads explode because Bill Clinton was living in the White House again.

:evilgrin:

[candymarl]

81. Oh good grief

The same type of rhetoric was used against Gore, Donna Brazile, she of the short memory. Some pundits insisted Gore would be a continuation of Clinton. Goodness gracious, will Democrats never learn?

[polichick]

86. "Do you really want Bill Clinton back in the White House?"

Only if he's been "White House-trained" enough to keep his pants zipped in the Oval Office.

[Life Long Dem]

92. She seems more like a strategist for Hillary than the dem party in general.

[Catherine Vincent]

95. It would definitely be a plus. nt

[lynnertic]

96. That's why my mom says she'll vote for HC: to get Bill back

I cringe but it's her vote.
I'm for Kucinich.

[CyberPieHole]

97. If it's as simple as that?: YES! FUCK YESSS!!!

I'd vote for Bill Clinton in a sec.

[question everything]

98. YES! (nt)

[riqster]

99. Fuckin' A, he can come back.

He'll be an advisor, and a damned good one.

[Capn Sunshine]

100. who is she working for?

I thought she was onboard the Clinton bus?