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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:40 PM
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Mr. Gore, Ecology & Politics: Charlatan or Rube?
Mr. Gore talks about the climate crisis as not one amongst a list of issues to define our future, but he says it is the issue that will define our future. “Everything else has to be viewed through that lens,” as he is quoted in the current Rolling Stone interview.

So what is it then that prevents Mr. Gore and countless other so called experts on climate change from acknowledging the singular truth that is rooted even more firmly in indisputable science and logic than the study of the ecology of global climate change? That singular truth revolves around two indisputable facts: that the human animal has absolutely no need for animal products of any kind in our diets, and that the so called food supply of industrialized nations is inefficient in the extreme.

The singular truth is that converting to a vegan diet will do more towards solving the global climate crisis than virtually any other act that one individual can perform.

The science is clear, but is it even necessary? Shouldn't this be a matter of simple common sense?

So what is it? Is global climate change the ruse that the neo-fascist right claims that it is? Or are the harbingers of an ever widening crisis that the neo-fascist media feels comfortable enough to allow in print or on the air charlatans or rubes?

Could the current cast of characters on the world stage be spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt in order to dupe the masses into passive acceptance of the rape and pillage of the major energy conglomerates? Are the helplessness and powerlessness of the individual being emphasized to promote the continued reliance upon the monopolist-capitalist oligarchical rule?

Or are they just rubes, so puffed up by their wealth and notoriety that they are too incurious to even ponder environmental ramifications of their favorite restaurant or their common dinner fare?

Listening to prominent Democrats is difficult when they talk about climate change. They stutter, stammer, sigh and wring their hands. Of course, “bold entrepreneurs must step up!” they say. Or, “big business and government must get this right, and ride to the rescue!”

So is the crisis real or is it not, Mr. Gore, Mr. Dean, Ms. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Edwards, Ms. Boxer, Mr. Inslee? Are you so cowed by the neo-fascist powers that you dare not let the dreaded v-word pass your lips? Or are you all so enthralled by your precious Rube Goldberg “food” generation that nothing else should even be mentioned, let alone be considered?

Good old red-blooded USDA flesh, it's what's behind the occupation.

(Yes, certain morons don't need energy dependence to launch wars of imperialist aggression, but it does make it a whole lot easier to spead the necessary fears and misinformation)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:43 PM
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1. Uh oh...
:popcorn:

I still have the burn marks from my suggestion that Gore promote veg*ism.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:02 PM
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5. In the late sixties/early seventies
Roger Ebert had a recipe for popcorn that involved bacon grease.

:popcorn:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:07 PM
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6. I'm told that bacon grease is nature's perfect substance.
Most movie theater buttered popcorn is completely vegan, oddly enough.

:popcorn:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:09 PM
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7. Bacon grease and flour.
The Grapes of Wrath Diet.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:46 PM
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3. wow... It is true that eating less meat would be helpful in solving the problem but
I think your approach here is just so abrasive that you will turn off more people than you will ever reach with your message.



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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:55 PM
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4. I will not give up my
milk or eggs.
So sue me.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:43 PM
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11. I never suggested it at all. I raise a small flock of chickens and absolutely adore their eggs!
SO much better than anything you can get in the store. Happy free range hens make very tasty eggs! I was merely commenting that the OP's presentation was so abrasive that folks would likely completely ignore his message. It is true that eating less meat would likely be better for our health and the planet, I personally view poultry or meat as the side dish and veggies as the main course. But I'm not going to presume to tell anyone what to eat.

Peace!
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:20 PM
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12. Just the facts, that is all.
I have convinced plenty of folks, personally.

This is just a spur of the moment post on a message board, just food for thought.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:09 PM
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8. So - how're your leather shoes and belts working out for ya...
Vegan my ass...
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:18 PM
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10. How would you even know?
I'm vegan. No leather belts nor shoes.

Willing to bet the OP is as well.
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:21 PM
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13. I am glad that your ass is vegan
How about your fat head?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 04:14 PM
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9. I wholeheartedly believe the truth of the impact on the environment from
eating animals, but your presentation is really confrontational.

It takes awhile for some people to understand the earth burden that goes in to their enjoyment of a steak.

To be gentle with the earth means being gentle in convincing people when the subject of their stomach and stomach habits are years old and have not really been covered on a broad scale. The interim solution for some, is portions.

So what did you do instruct the people you list about the facts before you struck out at them?
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:27 PM
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15. I have instructed and converted folks, and I know what it is like
What is confrontational about the truth?

I get peeved at all of the folks proclaiming the urgency of a crisis, while at the very same time not addressing such a major factor as the way folks try to feed themselves.

I meant that to be the purpose of the message, the addressing the disconnect around personal choice and the great ecological destruction of life and habitat. It cannot be ignored, or it should not be. This message board is visited by progessive and informed individuals. Smart people will make the smart choices. I offer no apologies.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 02:26 PM
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14. .
:popcorn:
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