Why Kucinich may not be responding to Paul "story"

[OzarkDem]

First, a quick check of google shows the only news outlet carrying this "story" is the Cleveland Plain Dealer - the newspaper with a decades-long history of manufacturing news and scandals to hurt Dems, while covering up for the GOP.

Pee Dee has been very upset with Kucinich since he first ran for office many decades ago. But their attacks against him have become more strident in the last several months, interestingly as Dennis has ramped up pressure on both Dems and the GOP in Congress to end the Iraq War. But their efforts to smear Kucinich have reached a fever pitch since Dennis began increasing pressure on Dems in Congress to impeach Dick Cheney.

When, earlier this year, the PD began running stories that were insulting and demeaning to his wife, Elizabeth, Dennis finally announced last month neither he nor his staff would respond to Plaid Dealer reporters, give them quotes,be interviewed by them, or even brief them on his schedule:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003649235

The Plain Dealer of Cleveland, in a recent item on its political blog, claims the former Cleveland mayor and current Democratic congressman has been giving the paper the cold shoulder.

"Heretofore a champion of a free press, congressman (and former Plain Dealer copy boy) Dennis Kucinich has cut off nearly all communication to Plain Dealer political reporters," Stephen Koff wrote Friday on the paper's political blog. "Kucinich has not returned calls for several weeks to the newspaper's Washington bureau, which covers his actions in Congress and his presidential campaign. As noted in Monday's newspaper, he uttered a string of non-sequiturs -- albeit pleasant ones -- when a Plain Dealer reporter attempted to interview him outside the House of Representatives chamber."

The item adds, "his presidential campaign staff for weeks has not returned Plain Dealer calls and e-mail" and targets Kucinich spokeswoman Natalie Laber with leading the non-responses. "Laber ... also has not returned phone calls and e-mail during this timeframe," Koff wrote. "That includes multiple inquiries from reporters asking about Kucinich's votes in the House, his positions on congressional issues and matters unrelated to his presidential campaign."

As further proof of the Pee Dee's growing animosity towards Kucinich, following is a sample of some of their latest coverage of him:

Shirley McClain Claims Kucinich Had A UFO Encounter
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1193128634148360.xml&coll=2

Two For Tofu With Dennis...
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/two_for_tofu_with_dennis_few_f.html

Skip Xmas Gifts, make campaign donations Kucinich campaign urges (using Xmas in the headline, ignoring Kucinich staff's use of the word Christmas)
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/skip_xmas_gifts_make_campaign.html

Porn King Larry Flynt Hosts Kucinich Fundraiser
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/porn_king_larry_flynt_hosts_ku.html

Edwards, dismissively to Kucinich: "Cute, Dennis;" plus, video and transcript of Kucinich's debate remarks
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/edwards_dismissively_to_kucini.html

anyway, I think you get the picture.

Now we have a questionable story with only a portion of a quote from Kucinich that appears to be taken out of context. And the Pee Dee is the only news outlet running the story.

Yes, the same newspaper that Kucinich refuses to respond to because of their inflammatory, unfair, dishonest reporting. Perhaps you may hear from Kucinich if another news outlet picks up the Paul story. Let's see if it happens.

[stuartrida]

1. Why did his wife say this?

Questioner: Do you believe that your husband would ever give consideration to possibly running as a running mate to say a candidate like Ron Paul?

Elizabeth Kucinich: It is a consideration. Absolutely. I mean, Ron Paul is a great truth teller as well. (more compliments towards Paul that I am not going to transcribe) I think there could be some bipartsan movements going on there.

[fenriswolf]

3. I think elizebeth was just being nice, I mean she's not going to

spit in disgust at the question, give them a nice answer, give props to ron telling the truth (to some degrees) and then end with a nice platitude.

[OzarkDem]

8. She was obviously taken by surprise

as the "reporter" intended.

[stuartrida]

10. No one is asking her to "spit in disgust." I just want her to be honest

And if you watch the video, she says it with absolute confidence. If Dennis didn't want her lying about it, he could have said something about it later.

1. Elizabeth say he is considering it
2. PD quotes him as saying he is considering it

To me, that means he is considering it.
To others, the fact that PD writes critical things about him means that the PD is lying, Elizabeths lying and Dennis isn't considering it.

[fenriswolf]

16. 1. she said it is a consideration

not that he was considering it meaning that they had not discussed it and it had not come up

2. where is the pd quote quoting him

[stuartrida]

31. here

I could believe that Kucinich was misquoted if his wife didn't back it up. The article is here:
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119606963456620.xml&coll=2

The Elizabeth/Plain Dealer doubters will say that the quote isn't complete but if I asked him "Who do want to as your vice-president" and Dennis said "I am thinking about Ron Paul" I would write "Dennis is 'thinking about Ron Paul' for vice president."

[AlertLurker]

49. Your BLOG "article" backs up NONE of your assertiones.

No one asked him "Who do want to as your vice-president."

According to the "article" (BLOG, actually), nobody asked him ANYTHING.

He could have been asked "which Republican would you most like to see tarred and feathered?"

Who knows. You can believe what you want, and spew all the crap that you want - it doesn't make any of it true.


Support Dennis Kucinich TODAY!!! (After all this, he could sure use some support!)

[OzarkDem]

55. Standard operating procedure for the Pee Dee

They leave a great deal out of the news and count on you to jump to conclusions. Its how they operate and Dennis won't be the only Dem candidate they use these tricks on.

[LanternWaste]

125. When I hear the most brain-dead idea presented to me...

When I hear the most brain-dead idea presented to me (especially at my office where 95% of the world's bad ideas originate), my stock response is, "I'll consider it...".

If it's an especially bone-headed idea, I'll expand it to, "I'll give that all due consideration".

It's my polite way of blowing off the idea without being rude to the person presenting it to me. And I say it with absolute confidence.

[Name removed]

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[stuartrida]

15. I am a troll for believing Elizabeth Kucinich?

[cuke]

73. No, but it's not very bright to take the media at their word

paerticularly when the paper has a record of hostility towards Kucinich

[cali]

21. you appear to be fairly new here. Perhaps you are unaware

of the rule that prohibits calling out other DUers as trolls.

[Kucinich4America]

24. I was unaware of that, actually.

Thanks for the info. But having said that, how would you characterize the behavior exhibited by this person?

[cali]

29. I think he/she doesn't like Kucinich

but that doesn't make him/her a troll, anymore than any other person here who doesn't like Clinton or Obama or Edwards or any of the others.

[MADem]

37. Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Amidst the fine print, you'll see a link to RULES in blue.

Click on it, and you will be able to read them. When you post, you agree to abide by the DU rules...
Straightforward link, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[OzarkDem]

40. Is it too much to be polite?

Just because you don't agree with someone's political position is no reason to be rude to them.

[MADem]

44. How was I impolite in that post? Smooth move, from someone who calls people DRUNK when they

say something that you don't agree with.

Project much, there, 'pal?'

[gateley]

5. His WIFE said it - DENNIS, the Presidential Candidate did not. Why do you want

to hold HIS feet to the fire for something SHE said?

Why not relax UNLESS Dennis comes out and verifies this?

[OzarkDem]

11. Dennis isn't going to verify it

because the story comes from a biased, unreliable, vindictive source: The Plain Dealer.

[gateley]

18. But if enough fuss arises as a result of this, he needs to address it regardless

of the source. Some of his supporters have voiced a concern, and it's only fair to them to hear it from him.

I'm agreement that this entire "debate" is a non-issue at this time.

[OzarkDem]

23. Call his campaign, then

but if he keeps jumping every time the Plain Dealer gins up another faux scandal, it won't help.

If I were him I would ignore it. No one else is paying attention to it except people here on DU and the Freepers who read the Plain Dealer.

[gateley]

41. But (but...but...) if it goes beyond the CPD and starts garnering national attention,

then he needs to address it, IMO. Just for his supporters' sakes.

I do understand your point, but looks like we won't come to an agreement on this. It'll be interesting to see what -- if anything -- transpires.

[OzarkDem]

42. Call his campaign

ask them if it bothers you so much. My apologies, I don't work for them. I only read the local newspaper and know how they operate.

[gateley]

45. Never mind. nt

[cuke]

76. Kucinich introduced impeachment and it didn't make the papers

there's no reason to think this story, or any story about Kucinich, will get much attention from the media

[kenfrequed]

87. Unless

Its a story about a book written by an actress and cited by an (im)moderator in a debate as a icy-snowball question about UFO's.

Seriously it seems the media doesn't care what Kucinich does unless they can try to:

A: Make him look foolish

or

B: Chide him about his short percentages. (odd how rarely Dodd, Richardson, and Biden are attacked about this)

[mirrera]

109. His campaign called me tonight and I addressed it...not pleased.

I asked him right out to have Dennis address this issue. I mentioned DU and how many DK supporters there are, and how I have supported him since 2004 (I like Edwards and Obama as well so sue me). Instead of even addressing the issue he said
"Thank you very much"
and was going to hang up! I tried again to get him to see the serious effect this supposed willingness of Dennis to even consider running with someone whose social agenda is so contrary to Dennis's and and how his campaign REALLY needs to clarify, and again all I got was
"Thank you very much"
and a hang up.

HOPEFULLY it was an inexperienced phone person, so I wont make final judgment based on that but DK NEEDS to address this.

The average person will not parse all the nuances that are being put out there in defense of DK. I watched Elizabeth on video myself, I saw another person ask DK in NH at the autism fund raiser video and he was evasive. Dennis evasive! I have never seen that from him before. That is enough for me even with out the Plain Dealer to want to hear him talk in his usual open way. It is what sets him apart for me. Plain speaking.

[aquart]

38. Terrific. Can't wait to see what she says next.

[MADem]

46. No, he said it, too. And Paul's campaign said "Fuck no" pretty much.

They said it nicer than 'Fuck no' but that's what they meant.

Read the actual cite, avoid the filter: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119606963456620.xml&coll=2

[hayu_lol]

81. Gateley, Oh but Dennis did verify Elizabeth's statements...

Breaking news this morning at 3am(Pacifictime)on KGO San Francisco. ABC national news.

Dennis was directly quoted from someplace in NH.

Yeah, he is a close friend of Ron Paul.

Whadda ticket: Dennis Kucinich/Ron Paul.

[skipos]

142. It has been verified

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

[OzarkDem]

7. Taken out of context

and you still haven't told me who the reporter was who asked the question.

Got an answer yet?

[stuartrida]

12. What does the reporter have to do with her answer?

Are you saying she was lying to not hurt his feelings or something?

[OzarkDem]

28. WTF?

You're not making any sense.

The reporter is distorting quotes and manufacturing a story in order to create controversy, split the Democratic Party and make Kucinich look bad. Yes, she gets paid to do that. Both reporters do.

They also have a choice of finding a job with a better newspaper if they want to have a good reputation as journalists. That's their personal choice.

[stuartrida]

33. Huh?

What does the reporter have anything to do with Elizabeth Kucinich's answer? He asked. SHe answered. We watch the video. The reporter isn't distorting her answer at all.

[OzarkDem]

36. You keep saying it

but it doesn't make it true.

(Actually, isn't that a freepre technique, repeating lies often enough that people eventually accept them as fact?)

[AlertLurker]

114. This doesn't mean a whole lot...

When Dennis comes out and actually says something, I will listen.

When his wife says:
"It is a consideration."
"I think there could be some bipartsan movements going on there."
I think that this is exactly what she means.

But if you wish to misconstrue this into meaning something other than an attempt simply not to go out of her way to diminish a fellow candidate for POTUS and someone who is reportedly a friend of her husband, that's your business, I guess.


The sad part is that this rumour has probably done just as much to raise his public profile as anything else...


Anyway - Support Dennis Kucinich - Strength through Peace!

[fenriswolf]

2. k&r that story made me so unhappy

[MADem]

6. Why do you have "story" in quotes--the two reporters were "quoting" the candidate

To review the original source: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119606963456620.xml&coll=2

And the cite is chock-full of QUOTES--the key one being that Ron Paul's spokesman has NIXED the idea--which is probably the real reason why Kucinich isn't talking about it:

"Dr. Paul and Rep. Kucinich are friends and there is a lot of mutual respect," Paul communications director Jesse Benton said in an e-mail when asked whether a running-mate spot on the Kucinich ticket would be attractive to Paul. "They have worked, and will continue to work, together on ending the war and protecting civil liberties.

"However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible."

If the suggestion is that two reporters are lying or making shit up, it's possible to ask them, by phone or email:

Speculation of a Kucinich-Paul ticket has surfaced on the Internet, where it also has been shot down. But Kucinich's wife, Elizabeth, did not dismiss it when asked about it after a recent Democratic candidates' debate in Las Vegas. Speaking to the Web site RawVegasTV, she called Paul "a great truth-teller," adding that Paul has "voted 100 percent right on the war."

On Sunday, her husband said, "Think of how you could unite the country, having a Democrat and a Republican on the ticket."

To reach these Plain Dealer reporters:

[e-mail], 216-999-4212,

[e-mail], 216-999-4212

[OzarkDem]

13. Artful use of quotes

read it again. They're obviously taking his words out of context.

I read this paper every day, I know these "reporters", they aren't worth a warm bucket of spit. They're hacks doing the GOP's bidding - which means getting rid of Kucinich because he's pushing for Cheney's impeachment investigation.

[MADem]

25. I'm not particularly focusing on HIS words--look at the Paul aide's words.

Why would Kucinich keep beating a dead horse, after the Paul campaign politely says "No fucking way?"

THAT's the reason why he's not continuing to bring it up--because he's been told "Thanks, but no thanks."

Now, if you're suggesting that this is 'misinterpreted' I'd be interested in knowing precisely how:

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.

[OzarkDem]

39. And the Paul aide was responding to what/whom?

an allegation made by the Plain Dealer reporter.

Did the Plain Dealer reporter tell us exactly what the question was that they asked the Paul aide?

As a regular reader of this paper, and one familiar with their underhanded and unethical reporting, these are important questions to ask.

As for myself, I know how they operate. You can believe what you want.

[MADem]

47. To a QUESTION, a question that's IN the fucking article, if you would bother to READ it.

For someone that likes to get snarky to others about content, you sure do a shitty job of reading for comprehension yourself.

The question is right in the text of the article. Plain as fucking day. Would a running mate spot on the ticket be attractive to Paul? Why NO, it would NOT. And it isn't just a "quote," it's been memorialized as an EMAIL.

These reporters you disdain do a better job of backing their shit up than you do.

Here, in big letters:

Those are among the reasons it would never work, said a spokesman for Paul, a Texas congressman and doctor.

"Dr. Paul and Rep. Kucinich are friends and there is a lot of mutual respect," Paul communications director Jesse Benton said in an e-mail when asked whether a running-mate spot on the Kucinich ticket would be attractive to Paul. "They have worked, and will continue to work, together on ending the war and protecting civil liberties.

"However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible."

Jesus!!!

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

50. Where is Dennis' question?

I need the exact quote.

I know this is difficult, I thought it would be easier to help Dems understand how the news media uses tricks to distort things.

As info, I have not chosen a candidate for the primary yet. I'm not sure who you are supporting and you may not want to tell me if you want support for them.

[MADem]

51. Jesus, you don't read, do you? There was no "question" asked of Kucinich.

He, himself, made the statement at a houseparty of seventy supporters.

See, he "told"--he didn't "reply" or "respond."

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.

[inthebrain]

54. He didn't say,"as a running mate"

Nor did he say " a Kucinich-Paul administration".

Just for starters, whenever you see this style of quoting someone, chances are the person reporting it has completely fucked up. Read through newspaper stories where you see this happen and 99.9% of the time they've gotten it wrong.

I've seen this happen a lot throughout the 04 primaries and Al Gore in 2000 was a favored target of this style of reporting. All of it complete Bullshit.

[MADem]

56. Yeah, sure--that's why the reporters put their reputations on the line, to LIE about a fringe

candidate. Do you realize how flaky that suggestion is?

If anyone's 'fucked up' it isn't the reporters. It is plainly apparent from the CONTEXT of the article what he said, who he was saying it to, and what he was referring to. It's also plain that the Paul campaign has shot him down.

Why are you so anxious to "prove" that he didn't say what he actually said? It's a bit odd, how you're desperately flailing around trying to pretend this didn't happen, in front of seventy supporters. It did.

[inthebrain]

58. Their "reputations"?

Since when has that ever fucking mattered to these people?

Have you any clue how many times these bozos get a story wrong?

Start with the Iraq war and work your way backwards and forwads. It fucking happens every single day.

[MADem]

62. Call them up, send them an email.

They provided those methods of contact at the end of the article.

Go on, do it. Call 'em out, call 'em liars to their faces, those two reporters, instead of doing it here, in cowardly and backhanded fashion.

I think their reporting is better than yours, to be honest.

You haven't proven anything, except your talents with a broad brush.

[inthebrain]

78. Why do I feel like I'm discussing this with a 9/11 conspiracy theorists

When you basis for judgement is shot down why not just attack me.

I suppose it's convenient for you. Afterall, you've nothing left to go on. Just move the target.

[MADem]

80. If anyone's moving targets, it's those who say "Kucinich never said that!!"

When he DID say it.

And "There was NO house party!!!" when there was one, hosted by a woman named Joanna at 109 Mason Ave in Acworth NH, attended by seventy people who heard him say what he said.

But hey, whatever--rah, rah siss-boom-bah, move those goalposts, yay team!

[inthebrain]

84. I never said there wasn't one

That's where you are wrong again.

Now you're just making shit up

[MADem]

85. You sure took the view that the seventy supporters were in DURHAM, in post 82.

But thanks for playing. You're awfully obvious, though not skilled, when you toss BS.

This is getting boring. You're not even good at what you try to do.

[inthebrain]

86. Admit you were wrong about me saying there was "no house party"

You just fucked up big time and are now moving the target.

I also called the Kucinich campaign and they also heavily dispute the accuracy of just about every single thing in that article.

You can't get right what people post on this board. It's really easy to see how you're duped by sloppy reporting.

[MADem]

88. No, because you tried to assist in the moving of the target from Acworth to Durham

and I wasn't buying it.

See, it's your INTENT that matters here. And your agenda is quite plain. Sad, too.

[inthebrain]

90. Now your a mind reader?

You know my "intent" do you?

[MADem]

93. No--I read what you wrote. VERY DOUBTFUL, you said.

You also said the paper fucked up. THEY DIDN'T, though--YOU did.

You said the number of people appearing at the event suggested the DURHAM venue, when it didn't.

Here, let's review:

inthebrain (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-26-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. I did
The same number of people appearing at the UNH event are the same number of people at this "house Party".

Duh....

Nobody else covered the House Party event but the one paper Dennis refuses to acknowledge?

Very doubtful.

This paper fucked up.

[inthebrain]

105. They did fuck up

very badly.

Again.

Move the target as your claims fall to pieces.

It's really funny watching you flounder about.

Not one reporter covered this event except these two clowns. They cite the same number of people cited at the university event. The Kucinich campaing heavily dispites what's said in this article. Not one person from this even backs up what the article states.

The quotes are not exact to the contect.

You lose.

Plain and simple.

But keep seeing what you want to see. Expect everyone else to connect the dits without offering any hard facts to back up your claims or the article. It's up to you to prove that he said what he said. You haven't done that.

You've failed miserably here.

You sound to me like the 9/11 conspiracy theorist that jump from claim to claim whenever their so called experts have their pants pulled down.

Not one person has come forth to verify this story.

[MADem]

107. Just because you make shit up, doesn't make it so. But keep digging, there, pal!!

You're the one 'floundering.' And you know it. "Plain and simple" too!!

It's apparent what you're trying (desperately) to do. Failed miserably!!!!! Connect those "DITS!!!"

:rofl: That's more correct than you realize...!

Yep--woooo, wooo, it's all a GREAT BIG conspiracy against poor widdle Dennis!!! And yes, ONLY YOU know the 'TRUTH!!' You've got the ballz to call me a conspiracy theorist, when you're the one with the tin foil chapeau, here, telling everyone that two reporters would put their reputations on the line to make up INSIGNIFICANT shit like this!

I can read a major paper, recognize it has a bias, and not automatically assume that everything written in it is a lie. You are unable to do that, because it goes against some sort of idiotic "Only I Can Protect Poor Dennis" idea you have, because you don't WANT Dennis to have said what he, in fact, said in NH.

[inthebrain]

108. I never called you a conspiracy theorist

My lord.

You get it wrong again.

Not only that, you're playing mind reader again.

I don't come here to campaign for candidates or play protector. I don't have a problem with people discussing the negatives of the candidates I like either. Unlike you, I like to keep it based on the facts.

I am also capable of allowing those insisting they have it right, when they have it wrong, to have their way.

[MADem]

111. Yes, you DID. And I QUOTE you, exactly:

You sound to me like the 9/11 conspiracy theorist that jump from claim to claim whenever their so called experts have their pants pulled down.


What you are doing is MORE than unattractive--it's bordering close to what might be termed disruptive and obstreperous behavior.

[inthebrain]

112. Note the difference between saying

You "sound like" vs "you are".

Not very difficult to do.

Wrong again.

[MADem]

115. There's no difference.

If I said "You sound like a stupid asshole" you'd take a meaning from that remark. And you wouldn't parse it out.

Get real. And grow the fuck up.

[inthebrain]

116. Again, you assume to know what I would do

Claiming that you sound like a conspiracy theorists, while providing examples of how you reason things out and comparing them to the way conspiracy theorist play "connect the dots" is not the same thing as calling you a conspiracy theorist.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Is Bill Oreilly's job up for audition?

Like him, you don't know when to give up the point when you're wrong. Watching you flounder about making sloppy accusations is really entertaining though.

[MADem]

117. I know what you posted. Get over yourself. Cut the crap. Grow up. NT

[Whisp]

126. holy shit...

don't we all pretty well know that most of the media are friccken LIARS protecting the admin? I think you should retake DU 101 and look up some archives .... or something...

yikes.

[MADem]

134. Yeah, that's it!!!! They're all OUT TO GET HIM!!!!! That's the ticket! nt

[OzarkDem]

60. I suppose you'll learn the hard way

when these same wonderful reporters perform the same hatchet job on whichever candidate you support.

[MADem]

64. Well, that's a nice wet turd, and apropos of nothing. You haven't proved your

case, so your response is "You'll be sorrrrrry!!!"

This article, like it or not, is NOT a "hatchet job."

And for you to suggest that it is, is flop-sweat desperate and pretty damned pathetic.

[OzarkDem]

65. So who is your candidate?

That way I'll be sure to remind you of how great these "reporters" are when they go after them.

[MADem]

70. Save Kucinich and Gravel, for whom I will not vote, I remain undecided.

I will vote for the Dem in the general, and "The Dem" won't be either one of those two fringe freaks.

[kenfrequed]

91. "I will vote Dem in the general"

I usually hear this sentiment continually and robotically out of Hillary supporters. Of course you will then deny it and act offended.

Seriously though, do you trust Faux news to even get a persons political party right? Do they ever risk their reputation and professional credentials when they do so?

Then why would a crappy little right wing rag give a rip if they manage a hit piece to undercut the liberal support of Kucinich?

[MADem]

95. WTF is that post all about?

I've heard that sentiment about voting for 'whatever Dem' out of MOST DU members, not JUST "Hillary supporters." Are you suggesting the Obama supporters won't vote Dem if he doesn't make it? Or the Edwards, Biden, Richardson types? What are you blathering about?

No, don't answer--I don't really give a shit, you're making no sense.

Why are you blathering on about Faux, as if that is apropos of anything. Faux isn't the Local Network Of Cleveland, now, is it?

The paper is his LOCAL PAPER. His DISTRICT reads that paper--that's WHY they carry stories about him. Not because they run around LOOKING for him with their 'brutal RW agenda.' He's part of the CLEVELAND landscape.

What, only LEFT WING papers in CLEVELAND are allowed to speak his name?

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

[kenfrequed]

122. The answer you didn't want

Part 1 was a rebuke of sorts.

Many of the people I have encountered that bash some of these candidates or quibble about electability end up maintaining some undercover loyalty to one candidate or another. They often obfuscate their obsession with an absurd stealth bomber approach to all other candidates.


Part 2 was an analogy.

I was comparing this crappy little newspaper to Fox news. I mean why should you believe a paper that is clearly a right wing rag? Or is it ok to believe it when they bash Kucinich? I can tell you I would rarely believe Fox News if they bashed Hillary, Obama, Edwards, or Biden. Though if they were complimentary (or worse yet conspicuously silent) towards any of these figures I would stop and ask why.

[MADem]

124. So, what you're saying is first, you made a false assumption about me and

posted a ramble supporting your thesis, and saying that EVERYTHING in the PD is crap because they have a right wing bias. Ohhhh Kaaay.

Well, MSNBC, the home of Der Olbermann, is reporting this story as well. I suppose we'll have to herd them into the 'suspicious' camp and schedule them for reeducation as well.

Freud is often credited with, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Sometimes a news report is just a news report. This news report was NOT negative. It was pretty straightforward, actually.

[kenfrequed]

131. Whatever...

Obvious you are just anti-Kucinich flak willing to repost manically any garbage without regard to accuracy or journalistic integrity.

It ought to be noted that Olberman, as nice a guy as he is, often does showcase absurd news items. Personally I think this qualifies.

Additionally I think you re-contextualize a few news bits to create the absolute illusion that this was ever a serious new story as I can find no real trace of it within the mainstream press. Even Olbermanns website makes absolutely no mention of this fictitious team up. I suspect it falls into the same fictitious team up that Colbert/Olbermann fell into.

But hey if you want to treat that seriously I would suggest another important source of news for you: The Onion.

[MADem]

135. Leave Dennis ALONE!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! Can't you see what a hard LIFE he has???

Bawwwwwwwwwwllllll!!!!

It's all a CONSPIRACY againt POOOOOR Dennis!!!!!!

:rofl:

[kenfrequed]

136. Yeah sure

Of course....riiight. One self deluded, self important, over-hateful poster that reads a right wing rag equals a conspiracy.

Dream on.

Your attempt to lampoon is only overshadowed by the ridiculousness of your own claims.

Is this the equivalent of yelling "Lalalalala I can't hear you?"

[MADem]

137. OOOOH--the HATE!!! The 'Self-Deluded HATE!!!!!! '

Stop DREAMING about being MEAN to DENNIS!!! You MEANIE!!! You DARED to quote a newspaper and television report!!!

How DARE you!!!!!

Boo hoo hoo!!!! Waaaaaaaaaah!!!

:rofl:

[inthebrain]

79. And that's going to be funny...

Not to mention that I've often found that those that call others "fringe freaks" are the biggest maniacs in politics. Although I often regard 9/11 conspiracy theorists and anti immigrant nut jobs in the same light. Basic facts don't change their opinions.

It's obvious that this person can't tell a well researched article with quotes in context from hack job.

[OzarkDem]

59. "I am thinking about Ron Paul"

What exactly does that mean? To invite to lunch, or to speak on the phone? Why is there no quote of what he said before or after those words? Why has no other mainstream news outlet reported the same thing? You're relying on a very disreputable newspaper to put those words into context for you, one that has so vicioulsy and unfairly reported on Kucinich that he no longer talks to them.


You may not think that's a big deal when it comes to something Dennis said, but will it be a big deal when they use the same tactics on Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd or whichever Dem candidate it is that you favor?

I have not decided on a Dem candidate for the primaries yet, but I certainly don't agree with those who would score points against Kucinich using a newspaper that will do exactly the same thing to whichever Dem candidate wins.

[MADem]

68. The context is plainly stated. Keep insisting it isn't, but it is. Even though you don't like it.

Your attempt to suggest that his local paper made this shit up to what, fuck with him(?) is pretty damned weak. There were seventy supporters at this party in NH--if he was being smeared, why surely they'd pipe up...but this isn't a smear.

It's WHAT HE SAID.

This all started because a week or so ago, a caller to CSPAN ASKED Ron Paul if he'd pick Kucinich, and Ron Paul didn't specifically say yes or no.

Subsequently, in an email quoted in this article, his campaign has said Hell, no.

And that's the end of it.

[Whisp]

127. if all 70 in attendance heard Kucinich say this...

I take it he was on a podium with a microphone because just by cocktail party bantering - there is no way everyone in the room would hear what he said. this is sounding more like a huge dump of bullshit by the minute.

[MADem]

128. He was probably in a corner, or over by the piano, in a good sized home.

Giving a talk, while everyone listened attentively with glasses of box wine in their hands. Seventy people seems like a crowd, but in a country home, it's just cozy.

He was only at the house on Mason Rd in Acworth, where he made the comments, for about an hour, according to his schedule. He had venues before-and-after. I doubt he did much of 'the mingle.' More likely, it was a quick HOW DO to Joanna Dennett (the homeowner, his hostess and bundler) and her cadre of helpers/donors, and then over to the piano/bay window/attractive corner with an architectural feature/crackling fireplace to give his little spiel WITHOUT a mike, to an attentive audience who knew he'd only be there for a short time, gathered round.

And the "dump of bullshit" you assert? Naaaah. MSNBC is carrying it. It happened.

It's NOT an 'insult.' It's what he said. Only some people with a warped sense of what is important seem to think it is. After all, his wife speculated on the match, too. Why wouldn't he?

If you walk back the cat, you'll find that it started when someone called in to CSPAN and asked Ron Paul if he'd consider DK as a running mate. Paul made the mistake of not shooting it down right then and there. That's what fueled this back-and-forth. The Paul interview is on YOUTUBE somewhere. FWIW.

[onehandle]

9. If they're wrong, he should call them on it. nt

[OzarkDem]

19. Read the post again

They've pulled this crap on him countless times. He finally got fed up and put them on "Ignore".

DENNIS KUCINICH, HIS STAFF AND HIS CAMPAIGN NO LONGER RESPOND TO ANYTHING FROM THE PLAIN DEALER.

If you want him to respond to the question, get another paper to carry the story. Chances are they won't (as none of them have so far) because they know its a load of dung.

Get another news outlet to carry the story and Kucinich will probably respond.

[onehandle]

48. Whatever. People complain that Kerry didn't respond to the swiftboaters.

So, keep your heads in the ground.

[OzarkDem]

66. No doubt, a candidate should reply

but when a candidate doesn't reply, it doesn't exonerate the scum who do the "swiftboating".

[riqster]

26. No point in giving the PD more words to twist

Frankly, nobody outside of the message board community cares about this teacup tempest. I'll do my part for sanity by ignoring the topic henceforth.

[OzarkDem]

32. Exactly

as the old saying goes, never pick a fight with someone who buys their ink by the barrel.

[rucky]

14. Thanks. But I really hope this doesn't get picked up on the AP wire...

especially without a conformation/denial from the Kucinich camp. This could really hurt him. Or help. Not sure.

[OzarkDem]

22. Let's hope it does

because then he will respond.

[rucky]

27. By then it'll be too late.

They won't run it twice. He needs to respond ASAP. If there were any ethics in journalism, he shouldn't have to, but...

[OzarkDem]

34. Nah, its a non-story

no one else gives two hoots except a few people on this forum and the Freepers who read the Pee Dee.

The story has no legs because it has no facts. Sorry.

[rucky]

43. You're probably right. n/t

[cali]

17. this is just painful watching the tortuous attempt to

claim that Kucinich didn't say something that he almost certainly did say. All he'd have to do is scotch the rumor by saying that he didn't say it. He hasn't.

And what's the big deal that he did say it? Odds are that he said it to tap into the large numbers of indies/libertarians in NH. It's standard politics, and Dennis is a politician.

[Name removed]

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[MADem]

30. You win the Grand Prize!!! That's it, precisely. Of COURSE he said it.

And the Paul campaign, in that same PD piece, said "Thanks...but NO THANKS."

And that's why he's not continuing to talk about it....

[Name removed]

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[inthebrain]

52. The quotes by DK are broken up

They are not exact quotes and in that regard, this piece should be dismissed.

Not one other newsoutlet is running with this story and this would be considered BIG NEWS. It's quite obvious that nobody finds the story or the quotes by DK credible.

[MADem]

53. They aren't broken up--the stuff between them is explaining the context of what

Kucinich TOLD a crowd of seventy supporters. And what's in quotations IS exact, and quite clear, too.

No one is running with this story for two simple reasons:

--Kucinich is a fringe candidate. What he says to seventy people at a house party is NOT very important, even if you think it is.

--Paul has nixed any HOPE of a tag team ticket.

It's a non-story because it's about two fringe candidates, who, in the big picture, aren't going to get elected. It's of slightly more interest to people in Cleveland--and specifically, the voters in the Tenth District, who might want to know where their rep's head is at.

[inthebrain]

57. Now you're just stretching reality.

There are a lot of news sources covering Kucinich. A lot of them up in New Hampshire where he has been campaigning. Not one of them offered up these quotes but the paper that's thousands of miles away. THe local New Hampshire papers, Reuters and the AP have their staff covering these events.

If the "House party" wasn't that important (and it wasn't a "house party" BTW) then the PD dealer would not have covered it either.


Wait a sec....


Speaking of the PD, they never once stated in that article that they were actually in New Hampshire covering this event.

What's in the quotation may be exact but what's outside of the quotation sets the frame for the story. That is not exact and chances are not what DK was even remotely talking about.

[MADem]

61. No, I am not stretching reality--you are. Frantically, too.

That paper "thousands of miles away" is the paper of record for HIS DISTRICT.

The TENTH DISTRICT in OHIO. In CLEVELAND.

Jesus--take a hint, eh? The PD covers him because he is LOCAL to CLEVELAND.

And sorry, there, it WAS a HOUSE PARTY.

And the PD DID say it was in NH.

Try reading--you know, looking at the letters, forming words? Here, let me cite it for you, in big letters:

Acworth, N.H. -- Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.

Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself Sunday.

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.

:eyes:

[inthebrain]

63. Here's your "house party"

<<<DURHAM — Before Dennis Kucinich took the floor in the Memorial Union Building at the University of New Hampshire Wednesday night, supporters passed out cards that showed him as a teenager in 1960 with his high school football team.

Standing in the center of a black-and-white photograph, clutching his helmet, Kucinich, the third-string quarterback, stood 4-feet, 9-inches tall — he didn't reach his teammates' shoulders.

Now 5-feet, 7-inches tall, Kucinich could be considered the fourth-string Democratic candidate. In a Rasmussen Report poll conducted at the end of October, he was tied with Bill Richardson for fourth in the New Hampshire presidential primary.

But Wednesday night in front of about 70 people, Kucinich acknowledged he's often overlooked, especially at debates. That hasn't deterred him from hammering home a hallmark of his campaign — the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney.>>>>



The only thing your trusted article got right was the number of people in the room.

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071122/GJNEWS_01/711220060

[OzarkDem]

67. Interesting, none of the other reporters heard the remark

and it wasn't like Kucinich's hometown newspaper had a special interview. He doesn't even speak to them any longer, since they made off color, disgusting remarks about his wife.

Interesting also, how some here in the forum think that's "good reporting".

[MADem]

71. How many 'other reporters' were on Mason RD in ACWORTH?

Not in Durham, out in Acworth?

See, ya gotta get the right venue before ya get too shirty....

[MADem]

69. Man, you can't even fucking research. Here's the house party.

Bounce the dateline against the PD article, there, rocket scientist. He didn't say these things IN DURHAM, he said them in ACWORTH.

He made a dozen or more appearances in NH over the Thanksgiving weekend. Of course, if you bothered to actually fact check, you'd know that.

http://www.eagletribune.com/punewsnh/local_story_329115714?keyword=secondarystory
Dennis Kucinich

Sunday, Nov. 25

8:45 a.m. - Meet and greet, Bagel Works, 120 Main St., Keene.

9 a.m. - Lindy's Diner, 19 Gilbo Ave., Keene.

10 a.m. - House party, 109 Mason Road, Acworth

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

72. Ok, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you n/t

[MADem]

74. I'm not the one who doesn't know Durham from Acworth. NT

[inthebrain]

77. I did

The same number of people appearing at the UNH event are the same number of people at this "house Party".

Duh....

Nobody else covered the House Party event but the one paper Dennis refuses to acknowledge?

Very doubtful.

This paper fucked up.

[MADem]

82. Oh, so that's it. Great logic there!!!! There can NEVER be "about seventy" DK supporters in more

than one location!!!!


:rofl:

Here, another cite--I don't mean to make you look like a total fool, so don't blame me when you do--you're just grasping at the most idiotic of straws:

http://action.dennis4president.com/blog/view/id_3333/





8:45-- 9:00 am: Meet and Greet at Bagel Works, 120 Main St, Keene



9:00-- 9:15 am: Meet and Greet at Lindy’s Diner, 19 Gilbo Ave, Keene

10:00-- 11:00 am: House Party at Joanna Dennett’s, 109 Mason Rd, Acworth, NH (835-6365)

12:15-- 12:40 pm: Meet and Greet at Keene Community Kitchen (Mechanic St / 352-3200)



12:45-- 1:45 pm: House Party at Dr. Paul Krautmann’s, 258 Court St, Keene (352-6481)



2:05-- 3:20 pm: Town Hall Meeting, Westmoreland Town Hall



3:40-- 4:40 pm: Book Signing--Toadstool Bookshops, Colony Mill Market Place, Keene



7:00-- 8:30 pm: Town Hall Meeting, Unitarian Church, 69 Washington St, Keene



8:35-- 9:35 pm: House Party at Chrissy Ladam’s, 91 Winchester St, Keene (762-2798)

[inthebrain]

83. You know what's even funnier?

I just called the Kucinich campaign and they vehemently deny everything that's posted in that article. Furthermore, they stated that Dennis is not going to select Paul as a running mate. Just as I did, they also dispute the accuracy of everything that article claims took place at this meet up. Including the number of people that were there.

I also did a serch on the net and found another person who contacted the campaign and got a simialar response.

Koyaanisqatsi, on November 26th, 2007 at 1:24 pm Said:
I just posted about having called the Kucinich campaign and learned Dennis will not choose Ron Paul for Veep. Well, seeing this article prompted me to call AGAIN. This time I spoke with a “higher up” who told me that the paper this story was printed in as an “anti-Kucinich” paper.

Please keep this in mind when reading this story. The person I spoke to hopes Dennis will be making a more public statement about the fact he would not choose Ron Paul as a running mate, thank goodness. I’d have to withdraw my support for Kucinich if he chose Paul as a running mate. They want completely different things for our country and I wouldn’t want us all to be just a severe brain aneurism away from a “Prez Paul”. NO WAY.

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/kucinich-suggests-a-republican-running-mate-by-sabrina-eaton-stephen-koff/




YOU LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[MADem]

96. Well, of COURSE he isn't going to "select" Paul. Paul told him to FUCK OFF.

In nicer terms, but that's what that article says--the one the Kool Aid imbibers,including you, are discounting.

Go on, go back and read it. Paul's rep said NO WAY. Thanks but NO THANKS. That's poli-speak for Get Lost, Flake.

And calling me a "loosah" like a fucking twelve year old is profoundly immature, as well as a personal insult.

Grow up.

[kenfrequed]

94. Uhm did you even look at yoru "quotes"

(as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together )

All of this stuff was out of quotations. In other words it was stuff he didn't say. I mean I would expect an elementary student to pick that apart. Of course the added CBN/Faux news style "context" does seem to create the impression that this is what Kucinich said. But it is obvious BS.

The fact you peddle it so persistantly and unapologetically does not speak well of you.

[MADem]

97. Uhm, why YES, I DID.

It wasn't "ALL" out of quotations. The precise quotes had things called "quotation marks" around them, and the balance of the paragraph explained the CONTEXT without quoting a big long rambling load of bullshit.

And the quotes, backed up by an email, from the Paul rep provided the response from Paul's campaign.

But thanks for playing, persistently and unapologetically.

[kenfrequed]

121. sigh

Had you been paying attention you would have realized that above my statement about what was in quotations was listed in another interesting kind of punctuation called parenthesis. I had hoped that would make you look at the thread a bit more carefully, but alas, your only interest is in defending a right wing rag with a tenacity you probably never defended Dan Rather, and of course in bashing Kucinich.


Let us try another example:

"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" for Satanic High Priest. Kucinich said while juggling fire knives and eating babies. He than shouted aloud during the height of a ritual, he cried out "to balance the energies in this country," He than paused for absolutely no reason and said something else that has nothing to do with anything.

[MADem]

123. Oh, double sigh!!! All of the stuff 'in parens' is shit he did say, paraphrased.

And it probably took him a hundred words to say it--no paper wants to spend column-inches on crap they can explain in a sentence or two. Especially on a marginal candidate, who only GOT the column inches in the first place because he was a LOCAL boy.

This is getting boring. MSNBC, home of Der Olbermann, is reporting this story out of NH as well. But oh, they must be "making it up" and throwing THEIR reputations on the fire, TOO, just to be mean to poor Widdle Dennis!!!!! Yes, let's eschew any iota of credibility we have, for a stupid little unimportant story about a quirky fringe 'perpetual candidate' who ignores his own district to make these symbolic runs, and isn't going to win the nomination!!

Dennis ISN'T thinking about Ron Paul for Satanic High Priest. So your foolish example doesn't float. He WAS thinking about him as a VP running mate. But Ron Paul's campaign sent an email to the PD saying "Fuck no." And really--can you blame them? Paul has a bigger following, and way more cash, than Kucinich. Why would he play second fiddle to a weaker draw?

[kenfrequed]

129. You are now lying

You are now openly stating that Kucinich was considering Ron Paul.

I wonder what telepathic acumen you have that allows you to know Kucinich's mind? Your opinion of him reveals everything I need to know about your motive in amplifying this stupid little story.

My "foolish example" was not truly an example, merely satire on a conservative papers assertions and your tightly held belief in it.

[MADem]

130. No, I am not lying.

Why don't you grow the fuck up and READ for comprehension, eh?

Why don't you get a life, too, and stop callling people

liars

on the internet like a fucking two year old?

See, I read, and I don't assume "nefariousness" where none exists. I also watch Tee Vee, and listen to the liars who "ruin their reputations" making things up about your Poor Widdle Dennis. The drama is getting a bit over the top, frankly.

:rofl:

Leave DENNIS ALONE!!!!!!!

[kenfrequed]

132. Ok fine

Your Psychic.

You know what Kucinich and everyone else is thinking. You know he is secretly plotting a run with a libertarian nut job who only shares a desire to end the war and a respect for the constitution in common.

Your powerful telepathic rays can penetrate his mind easily and discern that he is secretly an evil republican in disguise that kicks puppies and pushes little old ladies into the street.

You can also tell with your powerful thought powers that I am actually a high paid political consultant who seeks to thwart your neverending quest for truth, justice, and the American way.

[MADem]

133. "Your Psychic"

Ooooh.

And you're a poor speller!

A heavily invested poor speller in desperate need of a life!

:rofl:

Now you're just being....SILLY!!!

Funny, I guess those anchors on TV are just like me (wooo woooo!)--they're saying the same thing!!!

[kenfrequed]

138. Riiight

Forgive my working class ignorance.

Apparantly the only arguments you have left are spellcheck and absurd little smileys.

And wow, still not finding a single link to a reputable news source on this garbage story. I suppose you can measure yourself up to Hannity, Geraldo, and O'really? once you manage to produce an actual story from a reputable source.

Oh but don't bother, surely enough LOL's, smileys, ad absurdem arguments will surely sway all to your anti-kucinich banner.

[MADem]

139. You might try USING the spell check provided--your spelling really does suck!

The only thing worth commenting about in your idiotic half-baked and childish rants IS the spelling.

The rest of what you spout is pure bullshit.

:rofl:

If you can't find links, you aren't looking very hard. I saw it on TV several times today, to include MSNBC and Channel 9 in Manchester NH, AND in a San Diego paper as well.

But I am not doing your research for you. I already demonstrated that the "house party" WAS, in actual fact, a house party, at 109 Mason Road, and that Acworth isn't Durham.

He said it. Get over it.

AND (choke, sob) Leeeeeeaaaave DENNIS ALONE!!!!!!!!!

[Chulanowa]

89. Have any of the seventy come out to verify?

Because otherwise our one source is a well-known Kucinich-bashing paper that has a history of lying out their sphincters. If it can be verified from multiple sources, that'd do the trick.

But all we have is the Plain Dealer, which gives us an essentially contextless, chopped quote from Kucinich, and then a quote from Paul's communication director in response to a question directly from the Plain Dealer - rather than in response to Kucinich

[OzarkDem]

92. The same newspaper's editor & publisher refused to endorse Kerry

in '04, even though their editorial board voted for him.

They ended up overriding the vote of their board and refused to endorse Kerry.

[MADem]

99. So? Your point?

Are you suggesting that the right leaning Boston Herald shouldn't have covered ANY Kerry events, because they were right-leaning?

You're missing the logic bus, here.

There's nothing "insulting" in that article. Even though a few twitchy types seem to think so.

[OzarkDem]

100. They're a terrible newspaper with a very long history

of using every dirty trick in the book to undermine Dem candidates and officeholders. They regularly make things up about Dems and publish them as fact. They've even been successfully sued by a few. I personally know several Dems who have been victims of their smear campaigns.

Naturally, they also cover up any GOP scandals and malfeasance.



If you lived in this town and read the paper on a regular basis, you would know its history.

[MADem]

102. So's the HERALD.

My point stands.

There was nothing "negative" in that article.

To suggest that their is, is just...well...not NORMAL.

[MADem]

98. Why would they "verify" something they heard the guy say? There are only a few

people here who--for unfuckingfathomable reasons-- seem to think what he said was a great sin, and an 'insult' of some sort. Even though his WIFE said something similar as well.

Apparently, the people who were at 109 Mason, in Acworth, NH, didn't have a problem with his comments. Just a few 'unique individuals' here seem to think it's so bloody terrible.

[OzarkDem]

101. They didn't "verify" anything

Hit and run reporting, typical of PD.

[MADem]

103. They provided cites, locations, reporter names, emails and phone numbers.

If this was a "great big lie" surely someone would be raising the alarm by now.

But they aren't. Because the article is ACCURATE, and it isn't INSULTING.

[OzarkDem]

104. Only of the reporters, who can't be trusted

There is nothing from any independent source.

Now even Kucinich's campaign denies it. The reporters are going to have to come up with some people to back up their story.

[MADem]

106. Yeah, let's trust YOU, on an anonymous message board--no phone number, no email, no cites,

no evidence that you were present in Acworth NH, INSTEAD!

:rofl:

Kucinich's campaign does not "deny IT." But way to report sloppily, there, Jimmy Olson!!!

Ron Paul has told them he's not interested, so what they have done is DROP "IT."

[Chulanowa]

110. I like having multiple sources to prop up a shaky claim

Selfish, I know.

And yes, the claim that a Dem candidate - ANY dem candidate- is, was, or has been thinking about signing up one of the more psycho-stupid members of the Republican party as a running mate is kind of an important statement in need of verification.

[MADem]

113. I think it's funny when people take offense at something that is inoffensive.

He said it, and so did his wife.

They stopped saying it when Paul's campaign said "No way."

But hey, whatever.

[Chulanowa]

118. She actually said it was a "consideration"

That is, if it comes up, it would be thought about. It's a different word from "considering."

And I just want better proof that he said it, than a half-quote from a publication famous for its mischaracterization of and lying about the guy, y'know?

[MADem]

119. I realize that. nt

[polichick]

75. The way the question was asked and answered, one couldn't tell whether...

Elizabeth meant that DK would consider asking RP to run as veep, or whether DK would consider running as RP's veep if asked. Right?

[onehandle]

120. 120. Funny how this Kucinich thread wasn't voted up to the front page in five minutes.

Funny. Hmm?

[Enrique]

140. I believe the story

I know that some newspapers print false stories, but I think it's unlikely in this case.

[MADem]

141. So do a few rather angry Jews

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/105566.html

Published: 11/27/2007


Jewish Democrats criticized U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) for saying he was considering Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) as his running mate.

The National Jewish Democratic Council in a statement Tuesday slammed comments by Kucinich, a prohibitive underdog among the Democratic presidential candidates.

"Despite his views on the Iraq war, Rep. Paul no more belongs on a Democratic ticket than Dennis Kucinich on a Republican one," said NJDC Executive Director Ira Forman. "Any Jewish Democrats or independents that are tempted toward Rep. Paul because of his stance on the war should be reminded that this Republican representative has a terrible record on Middle East politics, is anti-choice and opposes stem cell research."

The NJDC also provided several anti-Israel quotations from Paul, whose presidential candidacy on the GOP side has attracted support from several neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups.

On Sunday, Kucinich told a crowd in New Hampshire that he was considering Paul as his running mate. Despite being from different parties, Kucinich said the joint ticket could "balance the energies in this country."