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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:24 PM
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Why didn't Hillary reveal her earmarks to the public?
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 07:28 PM by TeamJordan23
Simple Question: does anyone know why Hillary never opened up her earmarks to the public?

This question is in response to the LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks10dec10,1,2408915.story?ctrack=5&cset=true


SYRACUSE, N.Y. — It's a real estate developer's sugar-plum dream: a mega-shopping mall complete with 10 Broadway-style theaters, an indoor river, a Tuscan village and a 39-story luxury hotel sheathed in green solar panels shaped like giant blades of grass. Plus as much as $1 billion in government-backed financing, thanks in part to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Not everyone thinks the plan, known as Destiny USA and still in the early bulldozer stage, is a good idea. Many on the Syracuse City Council consider its tax breaks a waste of public money. Others fear it could damage the struggling downtown area. Others question whether all its dazzling features will ever be built.

One thing is clear, however: Destiny is a classic example of how New York's junior senator has embraced old-fashioned pork-barrel politics, first to build power in the state, then to extend it nationwide as she becomes a leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And to fuel her rise, Clinton has relied on the controversial funding device known as "earmarking." The earmarks enabled her to win favor with important constituents, many of whom provided financial support for her campaigns.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:25 PM
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1. was she supposed to?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:26 PM
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3. no, she wasn't. But what does she really have to hide? nm
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:36 PM
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9. I have no idea. Why did Obama miss important votes?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:37 PM
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10. Thanks, but I don't see this thread being about Obama (or Hillary's vote for Kyl/Leiberman). nm
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:41 PM
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Oh, me neither. But you asked something of Hillary that is really the norm...
Since Obama did something unusual, you're attempting to paint anyone who didn't follow as corrupt. Silly silly.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:48 PM
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14. the norm = same old politics....unusual = change
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:44 AM
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36. yes, but why do you believe he sets the tone for any campaign but his own?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:26 PM
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2. How About Her Birthmark?
~
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:27 PM
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4. Because People Wouldn't Like What They See
Have the other prez candidates opened theirs?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:29 PM
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5. Obama did. nm
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:31 PM
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8. Good.
Any bad stuff there?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:02 PM
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35. Not one bit.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:41 PM
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13. Obama, now he is an open and honest fella.
I really respect him for his candid posture with the public.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:51 PM
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15. I like the way Obama casualizes with that no tie, open collar look.....
Makes him look like that Iranian president Achsojamidabad.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:53 PM
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17. Smear tactic. That is a photoshop. nm
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:13 PM
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18. And Obama's face was also darkened
much in the same way as TIME darkened the cover photo of OJ Simpson to make him look more sinister.

Ahhhh, just as there is an undercurrent of homophobia in DU, there is also one of racism.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:29 PM
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21. I think he is handsome and tough looking in this picture.
He won't take any crap! I loved it from the moment I saw it here on DU!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:05 PM
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25. Except that the picture is a bad photoshop job by an Obama opponent
I always expected the GOP to play the racist card, not the Hillary44 people.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:36 PM
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23. We should see
if we can dig up a picture of hillary handing out her pork.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:45 PM
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33. Our friend was posting gushing stuff about Hillary a few months ago
liberalnurse (1000+ posts) Mon May-14-07 08:23 PM
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Hillary Clinton in Ohio: " Resurgent Democrats wild for Clinton"
Ohio Democratic Party State Dinner:

Guest Speaker, Senator Hillary Clinton

I was there, and had a front row table...2-tables down from Senator Clinton, who sat with Sherrod Brown, Governor Strickland and wives as was another most special favorite of mine ...Senator John Glenn!!!!!!!!!! with wife Anne.

It was soooooooooo Great! Senator Clinton is the ONE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x177

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:38 PM
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24. i would just love to have Obama blow a big puff of smoke in my face if I were that guy
Anything to have contact with the annointed one!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:40 PM
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32. You have Obama avatar, posted unflattering photo of Obama, yet back in May Hillary was "the ONE"
You have Obama avatar, posted unflattering photo of Obama, yet back in May Hillary was "the ONE." A photoshop job in which Obama is shown with darkened features and with a cigarrette in his mouth as he meets voters, all to make him look menacing.

liberalnurse (1000+ posts) Mon May-14-07 08:23 PM
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Hillary Clinton in Ohio: " Resurgent Democrats wild for Clinton"
Ohio Democratic Party State Dinner:

Guest Speaker, Senator Hillary Clinton

I was there, and had a front row table...2-tables down from Senator Clinton, who sat with Sherrod Brown, Governor Strickland and wives as was another most special favorite of mine ...Senator John Glenn!!!!!!!!!! with wife Anne.

It was soooooooooo Great! Senator Clinton is the ONE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x177


Really, what's next? E-mails alleging Obama is a Muslim on a secret mission?

Can't we stop the infantile games?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:29 PM
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6. and how about some answers about all those "mysterious" deaths during the Clinton years?
I can't believe Falwell went to his grave without getting legitimate answers.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:30 PM
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7. Why Are You Trivializing This?
It's a reasonable question.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:38 PM
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11. Right - a very reasonable question. nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:40 PM
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12. Because Hillary is The Queen of Senate Pork & has received more lobbyist $$ than any other candidate
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 07:45 PM by ClarkUSA
Clinton is responsible for stuffing bills with more than $1 BILLION of earmark pork barrel spending. Lobbyists love her pro-corporate DLC
plutocrat's approach to government. Hillaryworld knows people will connect the dots if there's full disclosure.

This, from the Orwellian candidate who says she's a better agent of change than Obama. :rofl:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:53 PM
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16. It is Hillary's nature to be devious and untrustworthy. Shall I mention Indian Point and Entergy?
George W. Bush forced Karl Rove to sell his direct-mail business in 1999, but don't expect a similar move from Hillary. Her campaign pays Penn's polling firm, which is part of B-M. "Senator Clinton is no different, frankly, from Mark's other clients," Howard Paster says. "Burson-Marsteller is a lot bigger firm than Senator Clinton. There's a whole 'nother life we live."

Yet occasionally the work of Penn's company spills onto Hillary's political terrain. Penn's polling firm has worked with the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition--a PR front group for the nuclear power industry--which purports to show "strong support among Americans for nuclear energy." Coincidentally, one of B-M's big projects is the Indian Point nuclear power plant, twenty-four miles north of Manhattan, dubbed by environmentalists "Chernobyl on the Hudson." The plant received the lowest safety rating from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in 2000, and after 9/11 there were widespread calls from environmentalists, consumer groups and elected officials to shut it down. It has had nine unplanned shutdowns since 2005.

With the help of B-M, Indian Point's owner, Entergy Corporation, struck back with a multipronged ad campaign. Its post-9/11 slogan, "Safe, secure, vital," emphasized security, warning that if Indian Point were closed New York could face a California-style energy crisis. In 2003, after Westchester County legislators passed resolutions condemning Indian Point, B-M set up a classic astroturf group on Entergy's behalf, the Campaign for Affordable Energy, Environmental and Economic Justice, which targeted Democratic incumbents in low-income sections of Westchester who supported closing the plant. If Indian Point were shuttered, the bilingual campaign informed residents, electricity bills would increase, power to public transportation would be jeopardized and dirty power plants would go up in low-income and minority neighborhoods. At the same time, B-M unveiled another organization also bankrolled by Entergy that promoted Indian Point. Following the '06 elections, Entergy unveiled a new slogan, "Right for New York," citing Indian Point as an asset in the fight against global warming. Hillary has called for an "independent safety assessment" but has declined to join Governor Eliot Spitzer and twelve members of Congress in urging that the plant be shut down. Entergy, founded in Arkansas, was a major supporter of Bill Clinton in the 1990s and contributed generously to Hillary in 2000 and 2006.

article | posted May 17, 2007 (June 4, 2007 issue)
Hillary Inc.
Ari Berman


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:33 PM
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22. ah .....that "entergy corporation"
what a tale of corruption is weaved through out that story... i over looked the mark penn/b-m angle and that makes it a lot worse than i thought
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:09 PM
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26. I have noticed that you post lots of characterizations of Clinton's
personality. "It is in her nature..." How do you know what is in her nature? You are not basing it on fact. You are not basing it on her record. I am wondering if you are one of those that just caught the right-wing lie hooklinesinker.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:11 PM
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27. or the one from the other end of the
spectrum. lol.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:54 PM
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:18 PM
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19. What's Obama....guess he got em and is sitting on the fence with em.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:13 PM
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28. No, he released them to the public. You can see them here:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:28 PM
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20. Why did it snow on me today?
Gheeesh, if this is all anyone can come up with on the Goddess of Peace, I think she just might have it all sewed up.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:24 PM
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29. If they are not open to the public, how did the LATimes get the info?
:shrug:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:36 PM
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31. With research, I'm sure you can find some out. But HRC's earmarks are not public.
And LA Times does do investigative research.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:01 PM
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34. Actually, I believe her earmarks are all disclosed
per the article in the LAT and per new Senate rules she supported, but not all earmark requests have been.
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