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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:46 PM
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Yes, Tony, There is a War on God
An open letter to Tony Snow:

With respect to your recent remarks at Oklahoma Christian University, I am in agreement with your assessment that there is indeed a War on God in our country. And you should know, having worked for the president, the administration, and the party that launched that war, and continue to wage it on a daily basis.

From day one of Bush’s catastrophic tenure in office, God has been treated by George and the GOP like a commodity to be bought and sold, a stick with which to prod Christians and other believers into accepting things like torture, and a blindfold to be placed over the eyes of those who can be most easily led astray with false promises and empty rhetoric.

“God”, or your party’s version thereof, is no longer the creator, but the destroyer of those who worship him differently, or seek his blessings in a language other than ours.

He is no longer the God whom Moses sought out on the mountain; he has been replaced by the Golden Calf your party fashioned out of valueless trinkets, like lies and a lust for money. And as for those Ten Commandments – Thou Shalt Not Kill, Thou Shalt Not Steal, etc. – they apparently now come complete with signing statements and can be rescinded as is convenient.

He is no longer the Christ who threw the money-changers out of the Temple, but is now the Guardian of the Greedy, the Protector of the Profiteers, the patron saint who sheds His Golden Light upon the Golden Parachute and its recipients.

In other words, your god is safe, my friend. It’s the true God who has been taking a bashing.

Last Friday, you stated that you “loved being on a stage where you could say the word God”. Tell us, Tony, when and where have you been prevented from saying that word? Is this part of that infamous persecution of Christians we keep hearing about? Surely a seasoned newsman like yourself must have the horrific details of this endless persecution – why don’t you share them with us?

You see, Tony, unlike you, I can actually cite the instances where God is no longer allowed to be mentioned in this country.

You can’t mention that God the All-Loving wouldn’t condone torture, or waging a war that kills innocents for the sake of oil.

You can’t mention that God the Creator expects stewardship of the earth, regardless of how deeply protecting the environment cuts into corporate profits.

You can’t mention that the Son of God admonished his followers to help the needy, the sick, the hungry, the homeless, because spending tax dollars on social programs to accomplish that end would result in less money for the weapons manufacturers, and the war-profiteers.

You can’t mention that doing God’s work on earth means looking out for someone other than yourself – at least not to Republicans, whose credo is “I’ve got mine, and everyone else is none of my concern.”

And if you really want to know about people who can’t say the word God in this country, ask a Muslim. Sure, they can pray to Allah (and that’s God, in case you didn’t know, Tony) in an airport, as long as they don’t mind the risk of getting thrown off their flight – or worse.

And then of course there is the “War on Christmas”, that great battlefront situated right smack-dab in the middle of Consumerism, USA, where – according to your ilk – good Christians can demonstrate the true meaning of Jesus’ birth by emptying their wallets in stores that say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.

Having been raised with the old Jesus – you know, the one you people have abandoned – I seem to remember being taught that the true spirit of celebrating Christ’s birth was to be found in giving rather than receiving, and a sharing with the less fortunate.

I recall being told by the good nuns at school to remind my parents to donate to food banks and homeless shelters in observance of the Lord’s birth.

Funnily enough, I don’t remember a word about running up their credit cards only at the right stores as being an appropriate way to celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace – but, hey, maybe that’s just me.

But I can’t argue with your initial point, Tony. The War on God is as blatantly obvious as the “Spend Your Money Here” banners that hang over Nativity scenes at the local mall. It’s as in-your-face as the photographs from Abu Ghraib.

It is fueled by the deceit of fabricated intelligence that leads a nation into war-for-profit, by the corporate greed that infiltrates our society and buys our government officials, and by the godless apathy that allows citizens to go hungry, homeless, and without medical care while wealthy individuals and corporations are given tax breaks paid for by working-class Americans.

Yes, there IS a War on God, Tony. And if you truly have a problem with that, you might try NOT being one of its most outspoken warriors.


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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:50 PM
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1. Excellent Work, Ma'am!
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 08:50 PM by The Magistrate
A pleasure to give this its first recommendation!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:51 PM
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2. Always a special treat, sir ...
... to have your recommendation at any time. Thank you.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:51 PM
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3. Nicely done, Nance.
Very nice
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:52 PM
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4. Nance...this is your best yet. I don't know how you do it
you become more eloquent and philosophical with every new posting.

I was just talking to my mom about this and how corrupt the people that scream the loudest they are Christians and they are doing Gods work. I am afraid my sister has been influenced by one of these people and when I go home I try to interject some sanity into the conversations. It's hard work.....sigh...

K & R.....:applause:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:19 PM
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13. You might take this home for your sister to read.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:21 PM
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14. I think I will...good idea....
:hi:
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:53 PM
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5. I wish I was that eloquent.
Very nice!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:54 PM
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6. War on Terror, War on God- is everything a war with these people?
I suppose "Prince of Peace" was overlooked when they read the Bible.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:59 PM
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8. Who is this Prince of Peace of whom you speak?
He sounds like some Commie-lovin' hippie, with long hair and sandals, talking about nonsense like doing unto others as we would have them do unto us ...

We of the Bush Administration have not heard of this creature. Do you have documentation of his existence? Or did you simply delete it from your computer hard-drive in fear of it being made public?

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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:06 PM
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10. Well, he was from the Middle East but he didn't have oil to steal.
You wouldn't be interested.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:15 PM
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11. Ah, that explains his absence ...
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 09:21 PM by NanceGreggs
... from the Rhetoric on the Right.

NO oil? NO recognition. Sorry, Jesus ...

(Edited to Add: Rhetoric from the Right is a newly-discovered book of the Bible. Amazing no one came across it before now!!!)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:29 PM
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15. LOL
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:40 AM
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56. Worse than a hippie or Commie, He was a socialist
Being called a socialist seems to be the lowest of the low in my neck of the woods.
I'm going to have to share this with as many people as I can think of. Thank you, thank you.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:41 PM
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110. wonderful as usual, nance
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:10 PM
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116. Commie-lovin' hippie?
He's your husband!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:14 PM
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94. Onward Christian Soldiers...
One of the things that turned me away from Christianity as a child was the constant use of war metaphors.

I hated the phrase "War on Poverty" as much as I hate the all the "war on whatever".

And I cringed when Jimmy Carter referred to the energy crisis as "the moral equivalent of war."
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:57 PM
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7. K & R!
Oh, God, yes!

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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:04 PM
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9. Wow!
That was potent and spot on. When me and my right wing friends talk politics and religion, I can always shut them up with the old "Who would Jesus Bomb" line. They will never have the right answer and I feel a bit sorry for them.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:18 PM
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12. I've come to expect greatness on a consistent basis from you,
but it still amazes me when you exceed even greatness.

This is really, really, really true. You hit a bullseye with this one. The last line was a close worthy of our idol, Molly.
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:47 AM
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37. Amen. n/t
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:07 AM
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70. What Tav said....
Bravo, really, really one of your finest posts. Ever.

Thank you, Nance, and Happy Holiday!

(K & R!)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:31 PM
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16. Gleaming brain and sturdy heart.
One more sublime entry into the public discourse, Nance.

Thank you, and Bravo.
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:34 PM
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17. Great piece, you are an inspiring writer n/t
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:35 PM
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18. I LOVED THIS! Can you send it to him Nancy?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:53 PM
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28. I've been trying!
The only info I can find via Google is a couple of very out-dated email addresses from when he was the WHOLG (White House Official Liar Guy).

If anyone can provide a current address, I'd truly appreciate it.

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:39 PM
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19. The shortest verse in the Bible
accurately gives us Christ's feelings about the current crop of conservatives..."Jesus wept."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_wept

Thanks, yet again, for a wonderful rant, Nancy.
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ghostdancers_way Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:41 PM
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20. As a member of a Race that for 150 years has
had its spirituality assaulted by christofascists, I applaud
your outspoken and in your face approach to telling  truth to
power.

Bravo, you have slapped the face of the christofascists and
maybe some will awaken to the truth of their abandonment of
the teachings of christ.

Ho! Mitakuye Oyasin 

"We Are All Related" 



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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:59 PM
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21. Welcome to the discussion ...
... Ghostdancers-Way!

:hi:
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ghostdancers_way Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:53 AM
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52. thank you
I appreciate the welcome and the excellent writing and
analysis you provide in this forum.  You have given me many
interesting insights that I overlooked and enlightened me with
your discussions.

Wakan Tankan Nici Un 

(May the Great Spirit walk with you)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:58 PM
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29. Welcome to DU...
:hi:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:15 PM
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95. Ho!
Welcome to DU, ghostdancers_way. I honor the Red Road which you travel.

Ho! Mitakuye Oyasin
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:21 PM
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22. My visit to the in-law's Fundamentalist church
I've always tried to avoid setting foot in them, so I can't really say how common it is, but it has been my experience. Before the service, I told my wife that I bet that Jesus would be mentioned scores of times, but never quoted. It would have been an easy bet to win.

They worship, but do not follow.


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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:06 AM
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43. Those types of churches...
blather on about Jesus, but the only quotes you hear is the stuff Paul spouted. They should just call themselves Paulists.

I went to a non-denominational church that was like this as a kid. Never once in the entire year I was there did I hear a red letter quote (Jesus' words). They were stuck in Corinthians...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:37 AM
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61. You need to send them a copy of Thomas Jefferson's Bible! It's only the red letter stuff!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:25 PM
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23. I agree. Best yet, wish I could K & R ten times.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:30 PM
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24. Nance, why isn't YOUR writing in my newspaper instead of the drivel that
IS in my newspaper?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:40 PM
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26. Duh, because your newspaper ...
... doesn't recognize a genius who writes for free?

(As always, Old Crusoe, thank you for your encouragement and kind words!)

:hi:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:54 AM
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68. Writers like you
are the reason more people are putting down the newspaper and turning on the computer. This is the true free press, and you are a shining star to a new generation of informed citizens.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:37 PM
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25. Once again I am 'wowed' by your words.
wow.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:41 PM
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27. Besides if there was a war on God, I think God can handle it without Tony's help. Just sayin
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:01 PM
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30. I was talking to Jesus just the other day...
and he was weeping...:(

Another great one Nance...thank you...:hug:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:14 PM
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32. I suspect he does a lot of weeping nowadays ...
... the stuff that's being done allegedly "in His name" is enough to make anyone cry.
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:50 AM
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66. "There are too many saviors on my cross"
by the late Richard Harris ... a narration recorded in the early 70's ... powerful!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:05 PM
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31. Well said
The cash register did more damage to Xmas than "Happy Hildays" ever did.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:26 PM
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33. K&R!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:44 PM
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34. he also spoke here locally at ODU
had a similar, but toned-down message
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:57 PM
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35. DANG!!!!
You sure hit that nail smack on the head!

Excellent post!

:toast:
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:46 AM
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36. Dear Nance, you always hit the nail on the head, but sometimes - well,
you just knock the ball out of the park.

Awesome, just awesome, almost made me cry. You are the best!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:48 AM
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38. Thank you so much, Diamond Dave!
And welcome aboard the Good Ship DU!

:hi:
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:13 AM
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39. You are truly ever so welcome. And thanks for the welcome from you.
DU has been a lifesaver for a number of years. Just when you start to believe you are all alone......

You are a DU treasure.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:17 AM
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40. DU has been a lifesaver for me, as well ...
... and for many here. We are not alone - and therein lies the strength, in numbers and comradeship, that will see us all through to a better tomorrow.
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:41 AM
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41. It is good to know Nance, you still have hope. We are losing ours.
You keep us staying in along with a few significant others. Lights out for this team for tonight. Stay warm and "happy holidays". Once again you are one of the best. Is it okay with you if I share this message from you with a few friends in high and low places?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:03 PM
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78. Please feel free to share! n/t
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:01 AM
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42. Awesome!
:bounce:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:16 AM
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44. K&R Well and truly said! Kudos! nt
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:25 AM
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45. Bravo!!!
Say it loud and proud!
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:12 AM
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46. Brilliant!
I often suspect Jesus deliberately tries to get lost so that He won't have to associate with some of the people who claim to have found Him. That repulsive crew in the White House comes most readily to mind, and the folks on Faux News aren't far behind.

Jesus wept? Hell, by now He's tearing his hair out!
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:18 AM
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47. Occasionally One Is Allowed To Be In The Presence Of ...
.
a good person. You are a good person and I am honored to be allowed to learn directly from you.

Your use of the English language to capture the essence of the issues and articulate clearly is remarkable. Thank you for being so clear and concise in your cutting commentary. Your sharp wit has eviscerated the greed, grief and graft that are the GOP.

Hold true to the principles you espouse. Uses your talents to help US always to stay on the right course.

You're the gal!
.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:10 AM
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48. Here's rec #40.
I really wish I could give more.

You're an inspiration my dear.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:45 AM
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49. Thanks for saying what
so many of us feel - oh, and for saying it so intelligently, passionately and eloquently.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:47 AM
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50. "God!" is what people say when they're being tortured.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:53 AM
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51. This "old Jesus" is my God! Thanks for reminding people who he really
is and what he stands for!
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:00 AM
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53. Bravo.
Great work. One of the best I've read here.

Truly outstanding.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:18 AM
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54. Oh Nance, this is outstanding.
I recall the old Jesus of whom you speak.

The one whose name popped up in popular music from JT to Jackson Browne to a Broadway show.

Your rant brought those memories rushing back, and it's all good, for that I thank you and

:yourock:

!!!

MKJ
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:22 AM
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55. Bravo, Nance!
:applause:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:47 AM
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57. What I've felt for so long...
ever since Ray-gun, really...you've expressed brilliantly in this letter.

I hope you'll send it to the Washington Post. :applause:
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:48 AM
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58. You NAILED it, Nance! As always.. :o) n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:02 AM
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59. Another excellent piece, Nance. Thank you
I dearly wish I could write as eloquently as you. :applause:

I intend to steal borrow some of that (with proper credit to you, of course.)
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:19 AM
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60. Very well done!
:applause:
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 09:46 AM
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62. Perhaps the single best thing I have read on DU yet.
Excellent!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:08 AM
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63. The 'God' of Bush is Lucifer.
"the patron saint who sheds His Golden Light upon the Golden Parachute and its recipients."

How many more Millions have to die in the name of 'God?'
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:16 AM
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64. WOW!
:bounce: :toast: :loveya: :applause:

:bounce: :toast: :loveya: :applause:

:bounce: :toast: :loveya: :applause:

:bounce: :toast: :loveya: :applause:
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:23 AM
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65. Excellent, your best yet. Send it to Tony!
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 10:51 AM
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67. My question for Bush: What is the name of your god?
Who is the god that blesses your jihad?

There is no way that I can imagine that it is Jesus Christ.

EVERY Christian denomination, with the exception of the Southern Baptists, has condemned your war and occupation in Iraq.

Who is your god?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:17 AM
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71. Lucifer
angel of light.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:01 AM
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69. While It's Hard to Rank Your Passionate Screeds, Nance, This Might Be Your Best Ever
and it is certainly one that will be enduring: as long as narcissistic greed rules this nation, these words will have value as ammunition in the war against the Predators among us.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:55 AM
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72. This is a truly excellent piece!
Thank you.
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justmakingsense4 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 11:55 AM
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73. Wow!
I've been reading your postings for months and I just had to say your postings are barely based in facts. I know that I will be kicked out of here before you can say boo. You don't know anything about conservatives but you should talk to a few. We are by and large way more generous then anyone here. Merry CHRISTMAS.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:16 PM
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80. Yes, of course, we have all seen your great generosity ...
NO to health care for all citizens, NO to health insurance for children, NO to social programs to assist the poor and homeless, NO to raises in the minimum wage ...

However, no one can deny your generosity when it comes to tax-cuts for the wealthy and for corporations already raking in billions, not to mention how deep your pockets are when it comes to waging war!
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sagetea Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:28 PM
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74. This not only needs to be read by Tony Snow...
It needs to be in EVERY news paper in this country.
Let this be the new "Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Clause"
AAAHH, Thank You again Miss Nance!
Happy Holidays!!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:34 PM
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75. Nance, you ROCK!!!!
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thetaoofterri Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:34 PM
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76. Another fine piece of work
and another recommendation
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:03 PM
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77. Nance, this is a copyright infringement. God belongs to the GOP. nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:08 PM
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79. But I'm not talking about 'their' god ...
... talking about the real God.

Besides, according them, they're not allowed to say the word "god" anywhere any more.

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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:23 PM
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81. AWESOME
really an awesome statement.

may I copy it and repost it and/or e-mail it, with credit of course?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:27 PM
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83. Yes, of course! n/t
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:54 PM
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85. Thanks
I will.

It is really great.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:26 PM
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82. Signing statements on the 10 Commandments... May I have your permission to use that?
That really sums up the Administration's moral stance for me.

Thank for taking the time.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:11 PM
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88. Sure! n/t
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:38 PM
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84. Fantastic. Don't know what took me so long to actually read it....
Except that I am so bone-numbingingly sick and tired of hearing about the 'War on God' that I didn't even want to read something that I expected would be a counter to it.

K&R
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:57 PM
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86. This is beautifully written
Can I get your permission to copy and paste it into an email and send to my address book (with proper credit given, of course)?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:10 PM
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87. Yes, of course! n/t
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:50 PM
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89. Oh, my. You are one eloquent and gifted progressive voice.
I would LOVE to be able to write like that! Thanks for sharing (and may I have permission to plagiarize a snippet here and there?)
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Stalwart Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:51 PM
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90. Your Words, Olbermann's Voice

As I read the words they were in the voice of Keith O.

You ghost write?

Thats the best I can say about what I read. Coulda been KO!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:00 PM
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91. I don't know if you watch Bill Maher
but he had Tony on as a guest on one show and Maher made Snow look like the complete buffoon that he is. Wish I could find the clip.

Good work!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:11 PM
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92. Earth to NanceGreggs....
GOD IS A REPUBLICAN! He helped Junior Bush bring freedom to Iraq.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:41 PM
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97. But THAT'S just the 'god' inside Bushie's head ...
... the same one that tells him that torture is just an alternate form of Christ-like behaviour!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:13 PM
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93. Very well done
and so very true. This needs to be posted far and wide!!!!!
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:37 PM
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96. And don't forget, the nativity scenes ....
you buy at Wal-Mart, Target, etc. etc. were all MADE IN CHINA, as are most of the American flags that they sell.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:45 PM
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98. And one can only wonder how many ...
... "War on Christmas" warriors will be giving crucifix jewelry as gifts this season - the ones that are made in sweatshops by Chinese children.
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nahant Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:55 PM
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100. As usual your use of the english language is superb!
Permission to quote you?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:59 PM
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101. Please feel free ...
(Who knew I'd ever be 'quotable'?)

And welcome to DU, nahant!

:hi:
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Naythan Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 03:54 PM
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99. Excellent
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:00 PM
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102. Thanks - and welcome aboard, matey!
:toast:
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 04:42 PM
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103. A woman after God's own heart... Well done. n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:04 PM
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104. Outstanding post, Nancy Greggs!
These people can't get enough of war, of any sort. That's all they know how to do, divide the people and conquer their freedom to worship or not to as they wish.

Furthermore, how arrogant can these people be, to honestly believe, any human has the ability to wage a war against the almighty, if there is one, they remind me of that proverb regarding pride and the haughty spirit.

Speaking of Jesus throwing the money changers out of the temple, can't they see the irony of putting "In God We Trust on our money!?"

Thanks for the thread, Nancy.:thumbsup:
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:22 PM
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105. God ain't nothin' but Dog spelled backwards! n/t
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:32 PM
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106. Bookmarked and sending to
Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 05:34 PM by Maestro
a few relatives. I am sure that will make their holidays! Oh and send this to Tony as well.

Edit: I see you have problems finding an email addy. Figures. He doesn't want to be reminded of facts.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:37 PM
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107. Thanks Nance!
The ball isn't just out of the park you hit the stuffing out of it!
Great Job you have written much material that have made my arguments with my in=(out)-laws very easy you, at times, have seemed to read my mind. THANK YOU for the essays
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enemy of the people Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 05:50 PM
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108. I would like to paste this into a letter to the editor
of my local red-state rag. With your permission, I propose to send a letter to the editor under my name since they only print local, verifiable letters and then paste your article inside it, with attribution to you and DU, of course.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:21 PM
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109. As long as I am attributed authorship ...
... please feel free to do so.

And welcome to DU, as well!

:hi:
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desertbill Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:55 PM
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111. Thank you for speaking for so many
It is genuinely a pleasure to read this as it so succinctly conveys my own, and I am sure so many others, feelings on the subject. Though I am an agnostic I surely find great value in the teachings of Christ and the ideal of a just Deity. All too rapidly have we as a nation moved from these ideals and teachings and become servants to the politically powerful and corporately corrupt who's only God has become even greater wealth and power.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:03 PM
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112. Thank you ...
... and welcome to the DU discussion, desertbill!

:toast:
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biggles1 Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:49 PM
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113. Congratulations Ms Greggs, you are a genuine Vox Populi..
..so much of what you have to say resonates so sweetly with what many would like to be able to say!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 07:52 PM
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114. Thank you so much, biggles1!
And welcome to DU!

:pals:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:09 PM
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115. Praise the Lord and pass the condemnation!
Yee-haw & K&R!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:30 PM
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117. The 100th rec
Well, Nance, you should know that the Frat Boy doesn't just talk to God; he tells Him what to do.

(I'm at a friend's house right now; my Computer died in September. I hope yo have it fixed soon.)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:33 PM
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118. No one brings in newbies, and
draws out the lurkers like our Nance! Just look how many in just this one thread..
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:52 PM
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120. She's the Welcome Wagon.
:bounce:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:46 PM
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119. Thankee, Nancy
For putting words to our outrage.

I wish it spilled out of *me* so coherently, but fortunately (for all of us) it does out of you.
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HansChristianBrando Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 08:59 PM
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121. Speaking of the so-called War On Christmas...
Suppose they gave a War On Christmas and nobody came.

By now it’s as seasonal as eggnog, and just about as indigestible. Many members of this country’s vast Christian community, evidently outraged by the simple and long-overdue acknowledgment that more than one holiday is celebrated in December, have erected Frosty the Straw Man: the so-called War On Christmas. A real jingle-bell crock.

Ever since Jesus joined the NRA, embraced Big Business, and got Ronald Reagan elected in 1980, fundamentalist Christians have forsaken the tenets of their own faith in pursuit of political power. Heedless of Matthew 6, prayer is something that it seems can only be done in public (or it doesn’t count?); and the Ten Commandments have become something more important to display than to obey. Things that would have been considered blasphemous a few decades ago--such as banners reading “JOHN 3:16” waved at sporting events, or Talking Jesus Dolls (the ones that Toys For Tots rejected last year: manufactured by the Graven Image Toy Company?)--now are considered validations of faith. (Maybe if those Jesus dolls had walked on water: “Makes bath time fun!”) And the inclusive phrase “Happy Holidays” somehow has become a slur on the more specific “Merry Christmas.” It has even been claimed that the wicked secularists are pushing the “C” word out the way of the “N” word.

My goodness! You’d think the pagans took December 25 away from the Christians instead of the other way around!

But Jesus wasn’t born on December 25. I don’t care, sayeth the faithful. It’s when we celebrate His birth, so back off! Okay, who’s stopping you? The basis of the War On Christmas complaints seems to be that Christians somehow are being prevented from observing “their” holiday. Suddenly defiant, they vow to boycott stores and other businesses that neglect to bid their customers “Merry Christmas.” At least that will free up parking spaces for the rest of us.

Admittedly, there are two cases where political correctness has crossed the line into absurdity. One is the calling Christmas trees “holiday trees” What one makes of this depends on one’s affiliation to either Shakespeare’s or Gertrude Stein’s definition of a rose: “by any other name”: vs. “is a…is a.” When you get down to it, what’s the difference if some people call it a jack-o-lantern (You say ee-ther, I say eye-ther)? It’s still a Christmas tree. The other controversy concerns Santa’s laugh: professional Santa Clauses in Australia and elsewhere are being instructed to laugh Ha-ha-ha, lest anyone be offended by the contemporary vernacular connotation of “ho.” Nowhere in Clement Moore’s poem does St. Nick give out with Ho-ho-ho, nor does Edmund Gwenn’s Kris Kringle in Miracle on 34th Street. As any 9-year-old will tell you, it doesn’t matter if Santa laughs Ho-ho-ho, Ha-ha-ha, or even a ladylike Tee-hee-hee as long as he comes through with the loot. Leave it to a bunch of grownups to make a big deal out of something so dumb.

The War On Christmas crowd would do well to heed the lesson of Dr. Seuss’ Whos down in Whoville who were smart enough to understand that Christmas is born of the heart and does not require the external trappings: this is what wins the Grinch over in the end. The hostile, defensive tack many real-life Whos employ currently--war on Earth and bad will toward men--will only succeed in their ruining their own Christmas. Take the Yule logs off your shoulders and lighten up, folks; tis the season to be jolly. And save the manger scene for church where it belongs.
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SugarMagnolia Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 12:52 PM
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122. Excellent!
A friend directed me to your post. Exceptional, intelligent and spot on. Thank you for saying what I have been feeling but could never express as eloquently as what you've written.

I'll definitely be back!

:hippie:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 01:18 PM
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123. Thanks, SugarMagnolia!
Welcome to the DU family - and by all means, stick around!

:hi:
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