Why does the Hillary Clinton campaign get a free pass with their homophobic support?

[zulchzulu]

There have been a few threads about Barack Obama and the Donnie McClurkin incident. McClurkin had performed at one concert in Colombia, South Carolina and Obama was not present at the event, which is not what some have decided was the bet way to lie about the event.

Obama did give a statement about McClurkin's views:

"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Obama's record on LGBT issues: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

However, despite this incident, why does the Hillary Clinton campaign get a free pass with their homophobic support? Some homophobes who are not only on Hillary's web site, but one is even getting paid $10,000 a month:

There's Rev. Harold Mayberry:

I'm comfortable in what I believe in. I'm not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don't reject thieves, I reject thievery.

He's talking about homosexuality as thievery. Oh, but wait! He's on Hillary's web site: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2857.

Then there's Darrell Jackson, who made this statement regarding his opposition to same-sex marriage and has renegotiated a nice $10,000 contract with the Clinton team:

Now, we know how we feel on this issue, and I've allowed my position to be known more than anybody else. I stand here
as someone who is a pastor to a congregation of a whole lot of people, and I've said it to them and I'll say it to anyone else.
My personal moral position is what I believe and what I subscribe to. I don't have to come here and try to legislate it...There
is little doubt in this body what will ultimately happen with that issue. That is a forgone conclusion.

http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess116_2005-2006/sj05/20050413.htm

He's also on the Hillary web site endorsing her: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=1339

Then there's Clinton's South Carolina co-chairs, John Matthews and Linda Short. Both voted for the bill in South Carolina to ban same-sex marriage.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Gay_rights_in_SC_contd.html

Then there's Bill Clinton, who signed the hateful, anti-gay rights Defense of Marriage Act into federal law, campaigning for Hillary Clinton openly. Both he and Hillary were openly for the Act at the time of his signature. Add the anti-gay "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" legislation. Sure, Hillary wants to stop it now, but has done NOTHING since she's been Senator to change the laws.

These are people that are ON the Clinton campaign web site and/or are paid by the campaign. Where's the outrage?

[maddiejoan]

1. Let me know when Hillary hires them to emcee an event for her

and lets them on stage at one of her fundraiser to spout their homophobic rantings in an effort to attract even more homophobes to her side.

[zulchzulu]

6. So one concert with three other acts and where his views are condemned by Obama...

...equals openly homophobic "leaders" not only on the Hillary Clinton web site but also on her payroll?

Therefore, we should see why the Clinton campaign should get a free pass?

:rofl:

[rinsd]

8. Obama condemned McClurkin's words at the concert? Or just his views in general?

[maddiejoan]

13. Obama didn't condemn his views

He said he didn't agree with them. Oh well --as long as he doesn't agree --guess that should be okay for us.

Obama put the man on a stage and gave him a microphone for a huge event called "Embrace The Change", knowing damned well the man's position. If you don't think that speech wasn't vetted either --you are a fool.

Like I say --when Hillary gives a homophobe a microphone to espouse their homophobia --let me know.

So take your silly ass :rofl: icon and shove it up your ass.

Obama owes a huge apology to the GLBT community.

[zulchzulu]

21. You must be angry because we can see how Hillary is going to sink like a stone

Bill Clinton, a man who signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act, stands on stages and pimps for his wife...badly I might add.

The Defense of Marriage Act is CLEARLY ANTI-GAY. Is it not?

[maddiejoan]

23. It's anti same-sex marriage

It's also something Hillary has come out against.

[zulchzulu]

27. In 2000, Hillary Clinton stated she was FOR the Defense Of Marriage Act

With her finger in the wind while running for Senator in New York, she knew she better make this statement to fulfill the focus group polling and her husband's advice:

"Marriage has got historic, religious, and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman," Clinton said.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2000_Feb_15/ai_59410444

She always positions herself in the conservative wing of the Democratic party and close to the Democratic Leadership Council. Is she against it now like she was for undocumented workers getting drivers licenses...which she did a completely different view in less than 12 days? Who knows?

[maddiejoan]

35. Only candidate that is for same-sex marriage is Kucinich

That's why He's the one I send my money to.

[FreeState]

38. And Gravel too!

http://www.gravel2008.us/issues

LGBT Rights Senator Gravel supports same-sex marriage and opposes the Defense of Marriage Act. He also strongly opposes the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" legislation on the grounds that it is unconstitutional.

[Clintonista2]

50. Actually, she's probably angry, like I am, because

Obama threw the GLBT community under a bus. It's not always about poll numbers Zulch.

[TeamJordan23]

11. What is worse? Having an emcee or having paid members on your campaign that share hatred views

such as the SC co-chairs that voted for the amendment ban.

[rinsd]

19. So the Obama campaign scrupulously avoided Darrell Jackson?

Because they cared about his views on gay marriage?

[zulchzulu]

16. Here is the actual video of the McClurkin concert and Obama's response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUp16hFzY8

Granted, I wouldn't have booked him for an event, but to be truly fair, the video says the story.

Here's a video response from Obama on the concert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQLwe-MmxY

[maddiejoan]

18. Big deal

I linked to the transcript from that video. Tells the same story.

And sorry -- Obama's response was not adequate

[Scriptor Ignotus]

43. how many homophobes did he get with this statement?

"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

[maddiejoan]

46. More than he would have gotten with this:

I strongly condemn both the words and views of Donnie McClurkin. They represent a view that can be no part of my vision for a New America. To denounce homosexuality as a sin, where even Jesus himself has not done so, is a grotesque version of His message of love and of hope. I apologize to the GLBT community for this unfortunate occurence and accept responsability for allowing this filth to have a voice in my "Embrace The Hope" tour.

[flvegan]

2. Oooooo...

:popcorn:

[TeamJordan23]

3. Great research. I would love to hear their views now. nm

[maximusveritas]

4. I think it's because most people here don't like her already

They don't need another reason to dislike her.
Obama, on the other hand, is one of the main choices for progressives in this race, so if he makes a mistake, a bigger deal is going to be made about it.

[babylonsister]

12. I think you're right. nt

[sandnsea]

14. I think there's next to nothing to dislike about Obama

And this is the only thing supporters of other candidates can drag up, and it's not just Hillary's supporters who do it.

Simply, it's a bunch of opportunists willing to use gay rights for political purposes.

[ruggerson]

49. Yeah right

What the hell do you know about the lives of gays and lesbians?

Let me answer for you: NOTHING.

[rinsd]

5. Perhaps because Obama personally courted Jackson and offered him $5K a month.

Or perhaps its because after the LGBT made clear its feelings, Obama said fuck 'em and gave a huge platform for to an anti-gay gospel singer who at the rally engaged in hate speech.

[ellacott]

9. Jessie Jackson?

[rinsd]

10. Darrell Jackson. See the OP.

He's a big deal in SC and if you want his support, you use his media services.

Some background - http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/02/an_endorsement.html

[ellacott]

36. Ok, I'm sorry, I overlooked that part.

Thanks :)

[dbackjon]

7. maddiejoan and rinsd

gave my response.

[sandnsea]

15. Because people are hypocrites

Even at DU.

[William769]

17. Has anyone left the Hillary campaign from the GLBT community?

Unlike Obamas campaign?

[zulchzulu]

24. So what does that mean in regard to how homophobes are on Hillary's payroll?

Perhaps they are misinformed.

:shrug:

[William769]

25. It just shows who the real BIGOT and his supporters are.

[babylonsister]

28. Or, shows who the hypocrites are. nt

[William769]

31. Yep BIGOTS and hypocrites go hand in hand.

[zulchzulu]

34. So nothing about the homophobic bigots getting paid by Hillary, huh? Oh...OK...

:crazy:

Do you like Bill Clinton?

Yunno, the guy who signed the homophobic "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and the Defense of Marriage Act? You don't mind him on the MANY stages raising money, being on TV lying about other candidates and having on his record legislation that Republicans have been using to raise money for their candidates?

Sure, Bill isn't a homophobe. He just signs legislation THAT IS HOMOPHOBIC.

Get it?

[ZombieHorde]

20. Subject line

Obama hates gays.

Hillary hates gays.

Edwards hates gays.

Gays are fucked...again.

Of course Kucinich feels that gays are equals, but no one will vote for him, because no one else will vote for him.

All Hail Eris!

[killbotfactory]

22. The McClurkin thing is the only thing they have

And it's a contentious issue.

[William769]

26. So a Gay person should just shut up and bite the bullet on this?

[killbotfactory]

29. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

But, please, feel free to bring this issue up five hundred more times in the next week.

[William769]

30. I will do my best.

And thanks for being so liberal (do I really need to add the dripping with sarcasm to that)?

[killbotfactory]

33. Did you not pick up that I was being sarcastic?

I guess I needed one.

I honestly don't know how you assumed I was telling gay people to shut up in my first post, but that's the kind of obnoxious horseshit I'm sick of.

+1 to the ignore list.

[NMMNG]

32. Let's see

1. Darrell Jackson. Obama wanted him. Obama would have had him, but Hillary just offered more bling bling. So that's all there is to that. It's not a matter of Hillary has a baaad bigot too, it's a matter of Hillary offered more money to the bigot Obama would have had otherwise.

2. Hillary has bigots, but she's never thrown a huge multi-day extravaganza and given them a microphone to spew hate-speech against LGBT people to a crowd of like-minded people. That's the difference. Whatever their views are they've never been given the chance to present them to a crowd of thousands on her behalf in an attempt to garner $$$ and votes for her.

3. People (such as myself) have posted about the Hillary situation. Where have you been?

[sniffa]

41. yeah, i don't get the disconnect

what Obama did was fucked up. and for that, he's dead to me. however, i'm not so fucking naive that it makes me turn to Clinton as some savior. she is no friend.

then again, i don't get people supporting her. i get it even less so, when they're from the GLBT community or claim to be allies. :shrug:

:hug:

[NMMNG]

42. Right

Hillary does/did bad stuff.

What Obama did with McClurkin and crew was worse.

I don't like either of them and won't vote for either in the primary.

[sniffa]

45. as well you shouldn't

:loveya:

no votes, no money.

[gene430]

37. Hillary is the media darling

Hillary always get's a free pass.

Mainstream media will not criticize her.

[Cameron27]

40. MSM will not criticize her...

this is sarcasm right?

[sniffa]

39. she's no ally or friend

[terrya]

44. All of the Democratic candidates will disappoint the GLBT community as President.

Even a President Kucinich.

We're thoroughly expendable as a voting bloc.

[zulchzulu]

51. I truly really hope not

The next President (who I hope is Obama) MUST have at least civil unions and domestic partnerships as national law and be moving forward with same-sex marriage in the near future after that.

I know I'll keep fighting for LGBT rights in the ways I can.

[ruggerson]

47. Bill Clinton appointed two justices to the SC who overturned Bowers V Hardwick

That pretty much sums up anything you need to know about how Bill Clinton impacted the lives of gays and lesbians. Not that any of it has anything to do with Hillary.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. But you still hypocritically support Hillary

although she has the same type of support?

Sad.