Here's a short list of reasons why most Democrats will think twice about supporting Obama

[mtnsnake]

Donnie McClurkin

[Joe the Revelator]

1. You can keep pushing this..but if it hasn't stuck to him by now..

its just not going to stick.

[ruggerson]

4. Not about sticking

it's about basic right and wrong.

[Tellurian]

14. you are as naive as your hero..

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[Joe the Revelator]

60. Those who break rules shouldn't be alerting others.

Per DU rules, telling a poster that you have alerted them is a a violation of DU rules.

Second, to answer your question, I keep bringing attention to the fact that you're a member of a hate site, because you continue to advertise the fact, in light of the overwhelming evidence that the group is neither progressive nor productive. If you run with dogs, I can't help it if I see the fleas.

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[Joe the Revelator]

62. Keep up with the personal attacks

I'm mature enough not to go running to the mods everytime you attack me. Then again, I'm also mature enough not to get tied up with a backwards, hate filled site like His44.

[Tellurian]

***YAWN*** boring...

[Joe the Revelator]

87. No, it bothers you.

That much is pretty transparent.

[Bluebear]

15. It stuck for me, one less New Hampshire vote for him.

[Bitwit1234]

57. That's because MSM is afraid to say anything about this and Obama

they don't want to be accused of being racist. He's getting a pass all over the place. They are just plain scared.

[sniffa]

58. i suggest creating a hot-key for this post

it would save immense amounts of time. :thumbsup:

[gateley]

2. Yeah - I understand those to whom this has made a difference, but I don't think

it really is a factor to "most" Democrats. "Most" probably aren't even aware of the issue.

[mtnsnake]

34. I'm straight & I don't know of too many straight Democrats who aren't offended by this either

The only Democrats who I'm personally aquainted with that aren't offended by it are the ones who haven't yet heard about Obama's lousy affiliation with that bigot. Every Democrat that I know, straight or gay, is appalled. Even some Republicans are.

[emilyg]

74. Straight. Offended. Will not work for Obama.

[Lucinda]

91. Same for me.

[MadBadger]

3. The average dem probably doesnt know who that is.

[mtnsnake]

23. Ohhhhh, so that means Obama is safe and sound then. Everything's all-riiiiiight

[Xipe Totec]

5. I Googled for it. Still don't know what the hell you're talking about

I like Obama, he's just not my favorite at the moment.

But I do not care for the mud slinging.

[mtnsnake]

18. Mud slinging? I think not. Besides, I was inspired by the other thread :)

[Xipe Totec]

31. Shame on them as well nt

[Bluebear]

24. The mud was slung at gays, not at Obama.

[cali]

6. lol. if you think most democrats even know who he is, you're

way off base. They don't. And if I weren't on DU, I don't know that I would have either.

[dsc]

9. and frankly that makes me most angry of all

It is literally unimaginable that an equally racist, sexist, or religiously intolerant musican could be given the role McClurkin was given and not have it affect the campaign of the candidate which gave him or her that role. It just cements the idea that I am a second class citizen.

[cali]

21. Americans are not well informed. period. Most don't know

who their congress critter is. A surprisingly large number don't know who the vp is. Even dem voters aren't neccessarily well informed. I understand your anger and hurt about the McClurkin episode and Obama's lousy behavior around it, but most dems just don't pay attention to the goings on of the primary season the way we do.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

38. Exactly, the story wouldn't have been buried if all the details were translated into racial terms

A white candidate hiring a white supremest to emcee one of his fund-raisers, and never apologizing for it, would not only have been made to drop out of the race, he would've been permanently drummed out of politics. And it definitely would've been all over the news, number one story for weeks.

[FreeState]

98. I tell every one I know why I wont support Obama in the Primaries and everyone I tell

says they wont vote for him either. So if you don't think people are talking about it - just because the media isnt - don't fool yourself. I personally have talked to over 20 people who were pro-Obama that now tell everyone they know about how he treats the GLBT community (he has yet to apologize). Spiritual terrorism has no place in the Democratic party.

[sniffa]

7. well, that's why i won't support him

good on ya, for jumping on that bandwagon though. :thumbsup:

[eagler]

8. I'll bet you really have it in for MLK, don't ya?

[dsc]

12. site one, just one single solitary time

that King said anything remotely like "gays are killing our children"

[Bluebear]

17. Oh? Did Dr. King claim that gays are out to kill children?

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

29. Hey buddy cheap shot! MLK was pro-gay according to his widow

Unless you think you know something Coretta didn't.

[calteacherguy]

10. Actually, most Democrats don't even know who Donnie McClurkin is, frankly. nt

[Tellurian]

16. Most Americans don't know who Obama is!

[Kahuna]

35. Imagine that. Yet he beats the repuke candidates in head to head polls.

Imagine how well he'll poll when most Americans DO know who he is!! ;)

[Tellurian]

46. Alot of good it does when Hillary beats him head to head in most national polls

[MNDemNY]

25. But they do know what cocaine is.

[Sherman A1]

11. If he is the nominee, I will support him

so, I would have to say Balderdash to the suggestion that most Dems will not do so.

[mtnsnake]

36. I was talking about the Primaries. After that, I'm supporting whoever the Dem candidate is

Obama was always third on my list of preferences behind Kucinich and Hillary, that is, until his association with that bigot, McClurkin, followed by him not doing anything about all the protests of it.

[Tellurian]

13. ....

Most Americans don't even know who he is..

I had someone tell me yesterday they were supporting Hillary and had no intention of supporting Mr. Barker. How could Obama presume to be ready to take on a complex presidency like this one when he's never done anything in his life resulting in worldwide recognition?

Obama audacity is an insult to all past presidents for the good or the bad.

[madrchsod]

48. who is "mr barker" ?

so obama is an insult to every president in our history?... can you actually back up that statement that any logical explanation?

[Tellurian]

55. Easy..

match Obama's resume with any former presidents.

Mr. Barker is a what ended up a rendition of the combination of both the first name and sir name of Barack Obama..

At first, I had no idea what the women was talking about.

[Kahuna]

19. Bzzzt. 99% never heard of McClurkin.

The rest don't associate him as a political figure.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. ....

[madrchsod]

44. cool but i like mine better

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

22. LOL nt

[K Gardner]

26. Sorry, evidently I'm not "most Democrats" n/t

[Fried Bread]

27. Who?

[Bluebear]

32. The ex'gay that Obama hired to MC his concerts & who gave a half hour sermon against gays.

This was in the "Embrace the change" tour. gays and lesbians bagged Obama to not put him on, but he did so, totally tone-deaf to those he was hurting by pandering to bigotry. That's who.

[Fried Bread]

39. I question how honest you're being.

I still support Obama.

[dsc]

41. go ahead, do a search

his post is 100% accurate.

[Fried Bread]

45. Doesn't look like Obama endorsed his message.

Next...

[sniffa]

47. it's true, he didn't endorse his message

he just made him the emcee, and allowed him free reign to spew his ex-gay shit.

but good on you for still embracing that shit. :thumbsup:

[Fried Bread]

49. yawn, Obama didn't embrace anything.

next....

[sniffa]

50. yawn

sorry, i meant, "HOORAY FOR HOMOPHOBE ENABLERS!!!1!"

:woohoo:

oh, and NEXT.

[Fried Bread]

54. Good luck with that

next

[sniffa]

56. well, you're the one embracing it

so good luck with that. and good luck with living with yourself.

NEXT

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[Blue-Jay]

28. WHY HASN'T ANYONE POINTED THIS OUT TO ME BEFORE?

Check out my crazy caps-post!

[sniffa]

33. you had me at Caps Lock

:loveya:

[Blue-Jay]

37. I'm trying to win hearts and minds.

Nothing says "I'm seriously serious!" more than a random burst of CAPS.

[bicentennial_baby]

40. You're the audacity of hope, man...

:patriot:

[msongs]

30. don't be surprised if a majority of democrats actually believe mcclurkin is right nt

[EV_Ares]

42. Not an issue to most who are not or have not paid any attention to it, Who

is talking about it. How much do you hear about it on any of the news shows? Its not an issue except for some but not most evidently.

[flvegan]

51. Well, that was dumb.

Next?

[skipos]

52. Most?!? You gotta be kidding me.

Yeah, they'll go running to Hillary. :eyes:

[MethuenProgressive]

63. ObamaNation approved of his getting in bed with the bigot wing of his church.

There's many reasons most Democrats do not support Obama, none more important than this.

[Clintonista2]

65. I remember one of them posting about how he was going to donate to Obama just to show...

His support for Obama "reaching out" to McClurkin. This particular poster has changed candidates about 10 times now, so I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.

[MethuenProgressive]

67. That was an insight into the Clark E one.

Not naming names, mind you...

[Clintonista2]

70. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[CyberPieHole]

64. Kick and recommend for throwing GLBT (and Human Rights) UNDER the bus...

McClurkin was a pivotal moment for me with Obama...cannot and will not support his candidacy.

:kick:

[sniffa]

68. glad you could put aside your partisanship to attack Obama on this

Obama will never be forgiven by me for this.

at the same time, i resent the Hillary people jumping on this. like her, it doesn't seem sincere.

[MethuenProgressive]

71. It took him from the top three on my list to the very bottom, sniffa

I was very disappointed he didn't use this as a teaching moment.

[sniffa]

73. i can't say he was ever in my radar

however, i used to really like the guy.

now he's on par with Clinton if that.

[MethuenProgressive]

75. His convention speech in '04 was wicked good - and obviously a toe in the water

Since then... nothing.

[sniffa]

78. i think that statement is absurd though

he's still dead to me but i won't go so far as to say he's done nothing.

[MethuenProgressive]

79. Maybe it's just me, but I see nothing he's done since then as even remarkable.

The '04 speech was the highlight of his career so far, if you don't count Oprah.

[CyberPieHole]

82. Obama is a cloud of vapidity...there is nothing there, there...n/t

[CyberPieHole]

77. Sniffa, I sense a rolly-eyed emoticon in your first sentence...

could I be wrong? I don't deny being a supporter of the Clinton campaign for president. Anyone reading my posts can easily see that.

I resent, however, you questioning my sincerity. What exactly is insincere about my post? Could you clarify? I am 100% pro Gay Marriage, and for Gays in the military serving openly and proudly. What have I ever written that would have you question me on this. I am for human rights for EVERYONE. I don't think there should be any exceptions to it. I don't believe any laws should exist that curtail the rights of some groups over the rights of others.

I hope you will reply to my post.

[sniffa]

81. you're not pro gay marriage though if you support her

you're pro wait another election cycle or whatever.

and if you are sincere in your condemnation of McCloset, then i thank you for it. too many Hillary supporters are not sincere, and i apologize for lumping you in with them.

[CyberPieHole]

83. I am pro gay marriage and I am still in favor of Clinton as president...

I realize that Senator Clinton is conservative in certain social respects. I disagree with her on her stance on gay marriage. I don't believe I have to agree with a candidate on every single issue in order for me to support him or her. I would be let down eventually. Not everyone is as liberal as I would like them to be. I believe that Clinton's heart is in the right place where social issues are concerned. I am sure that Obama's heart is also in the right place on most social issues, but what sets things apart for me is the fact that Mcclurkin was not only given a forum (by Obama) in which to sing, but he was made the emcee and give 30 minutes to rant and rave and spew his hateful brand of bigotry. If Clinton ever does that I assure you I will no longer support her or her candidacy.

[jenmito]

66. "Most Democrats"??? I don't THINK so!

Keep hope alive, though. Obama's record on gay rights speaks a lot louder than your claim does.

[MethuenProgressive]

69. Most Democrats already do not support Obama - homophobic bigotry or not.

Some of us have higher standards than ObamaNation.

[jenmito]

72. Most Dems. don't support Hillary, either-homophobic donors or not.

If Obama was a homophobe or voted against gay rights, I would NOT support him. But he's not and he doesn't so I do. ;)

[MethuenProgressive]

76. As I said: ObamaNation approved of his getting in bed with the bigot wing of his church.

ObamaNation doesn't seem to care very much about anything other than 'he's pretty and shiny and new!'

[jenmito]

85. What an ignorant thing to say...

Why don't you do a search of my posts (or other Obama supporters) to see what we said when we heard McClurkin spoke at the concert? :eyes:
He's still my choice as he is PRO-gay rights as demonstrated by his voting record, he's for speaking with enemies of our country, will increase minimum wage each year, and on and on. Keep thinking we're as shallow as YOU are.

[ZombieHorde]

80. This is sad...

It seems that most of the folks here either do not care, do not know, or do not care to know.

[jenmito]

86. OR...

We know Obama is very pro-gay rights. :eyes:

[ZombieHorde]

89. Subject line

He does not support gay marriage. If someone did not support Black marriage would you consider them to be very pro-Black rights?


He knows he has hurt a lot people with his actions, yet he will not apologize. Why is this?

[jenmito]

92. NONE of the major candidates support gay marriage. He is as good as the others on gay rights

if not better. He wants gay couples in civil unions to have ALL the rights of married couples that they don't now have-over 1,400 rights. He also wants to allow states to decide if gay couples should be allowed to get married.

He has spoken out against McClurkin's beliefs. Has Hillary done the same for the anti-gay bigots who donate to her campaign?

[ZombieHorde]

94. Hi Jen!

NONE of the major candidates support gay marriage.

Sad but true... :-(

He is as good as the others on gay rights if not better. He wants gay couples in civil unions to have ALL the rights of married couples that they don't now have-over 1,400 rights. He also wants to allow states to decide if gay couples should be allowed to get married.

I have heard him say these things, and I used to believe him. I am not so sure right now. Love In Action is a very scary cult, those that share their beliefs, or PAY those that share their beliefs to talk on a political stage to voice their opinion is scary.

He has spoken out against McClurkin's beliefs.

Has he apologized? If he does not apologize then he does not see the error of his ways.

Has Hillary done the same for the anti-gay bigots who donate to her campaign?

I don't know. I had higher hopes for Obama. I kind of liked him, now I am disappointed.

[jenmito]

95. Hi, Zombie-

Yes. Sad, but true.

Why wouldn't you believe him? He did a dumb thing by allowing the guy to speak, but he has since spoken out against the guy's beliefs, saying he strongly disagrees with him, but he did not apologize, saying he speaks out against anti-gay beliefs to anti-gay-believing audiences.

Hillary has gladly taken money and support from these same kind of people. When you TAKE money they expect favors in return-don't you think? I was disappointed in him allowing the guy to speak, but I do still trust and believe him when he says he's a strong supporter of gay rights (minus gay marriage, except on a state by state basis).

[Maven]

84. I'm enjoying all the sorely mistaken posts about 99% of Dems not knowing about this

FYI, GLBTs alone comprise far greater than 1% of the Democratic vote, and a lot of us know about this.

And a lot of our allies know about this too.

And please spare me any LTTEs to the Random Town Gazette by GLBT shills carrying water for Obama after this disaster. They don't speak for me, and from the looks of many GLBT-interest forums around the web, for a considerable portion of the rest of us, either.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

88. Right, most gays will find out about it eventually, and we'll tell everyone we know n/t

[Lucinda]

90. It's one of many for me. But a very important one.

[PresidentObama]

96. Shifting your attacks from Kerry, to Edwards, to Obama.

Just a few months ago, you were singing Obama's praise.

Waffling, are we?

[JI7]

97. why haven't the other candidates criticized Obama for it ?