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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:35 PM
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New Video shows Bhutto slumping after shots fired
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 02:47 PM by soulcore
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I am following the Bhutto "assassination" pretty closely, and just came across this newly released CNN video showing her from a second vantage as she is shot and then slumps into the car.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/12/30/verjee.bhutto.new.video.cnn
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:37 PM
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1. There is another video from another angle that actually shows
her scarf blowingback like she was shot in the face or head...

She was shot and then she slumped...hitting her head didn't cause her to die...bullets to the brain did. The Government also didn't allow an autopsy to be performed, don't be surprised if her body comes up missing.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:41 PM
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3. According to cnn.com, the gov't might already be backing off the sunroof claim. nm
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:41 PM
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4. isn't this that one, or did i miss one?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:00 PM
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6. yep this is the one! There was another one from a different angle
that shows her slumping but you don't see the scarf.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:29 PM
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14. did you notice in some of that footage of the guy on the side of her vehicle
one of her security people is fighting with someone. Falls off the truck.
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 07:53 PM
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19. I read where it was her husband who refused permission to do an autopsy...n/m
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 09:49 PM
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21. There are conflicting reports I heard it was the Police Chief!
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:40 PM
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2. Why wasn't the Zapruder film released this soon?
Tells you a lot about the conspiracy to kill JFK.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:52 PM
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5. I'm having a hard time understanding this fascination with how she died.
Bullet, bomb, sunroof, what does it matter?

There were shots fired AND a bomb. If it was the shots that killed her, or shrapnel from a bomb, or a sunroof handle....either way she's DEAD.

Is it morbid fascination, or just a tendency bred by the US media to focus on meaningless details instead of substance?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:05 PM
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7. It's beyond facination...Condi Rice implored Mrs. Bhutto to go
back to Pakistan to run in the election. However; Condi didn't work with the Pakistani government to make sure Bhutto had the proper protection.

The fact that a gunman was so close and a suicide bomber was so close leads us to believe that Mushariff government saw her as a serious threat to their power. Mushariff is barely clinging to power now.

Condi and company could have provided bomb proof vehicles and covered vehicles like the Pope has but chose not too. Why?

No there is more to the story and people should continue to raise questions as to why she was assasinated.

Condi has blood on her hands..oh by the way the Administrations government officials are now trying to blame Bhutto for her own death....if that doesn't tell you something...
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:06 PM
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8. Good points. nm
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:08 PM
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10. Her car WAS bomb-proof
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 03:09 PM by soulcore
and she was the only one in the car to suffer any injuries from the "explosion".

They shot her, twice in the head and once in the back. like was originally reported, and then blew up all the evidence to confuse and obfuscate.
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:07 PM
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9. You're right, she is DEAD.
But you obviously fail to take into account how important "martyr" status is in the middle east.

Being shot in the face twice at point blank range = a martyr's assassination
Hitting your head inside your bomb-proof car = A happy accident

It's not morbid fascination with death, it's a healthy obsession with understanding how and why the powers that be always seem to lie to us.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:12 PM
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12. Good points!
Welcome to DU!:hi:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:33 PM
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16. "A happy accident"?
uh, even if she died from hitting her head, it was ultimately the gunshot and/or bomb blast that caused her to hit her head.

If it's not a morbid fascination, it's a pointless obsession.

Those who claim it makes some kind of big difference to the fallout simply don't understand the situation.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:12 PM
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11. It's about "accidental death" vs "assassination", and who is responsible...
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 03:15 PM by wlucinda
If she died in "a freak accident" they can try to marginalize her to some extent. If she was assassinated, she becomes a martyr. (which she is anyway...but they are trying to prevent that)

And people want to know who is responsible.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:35 PM
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17. So, if she hit her head you would rule it an "accident", in spite of the fact that
shots were fired and a bomb went off, which would still be the reason she hit her head?

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:36 PM
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18. It's their attempt to marginalize her. Won't work...but they are trying it.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 08:47 PM
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20. WHAT is an attempt to marginalize her? n/t
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:27 PM
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13. It's because we're soooo sick of being lied to and having everything covered up
CONSTANTLY. So we like to track it, just to keep our own wits about us and to keep our antennae sharp. "I know they're saying X, but I clearly saw Y. Am I crazy, or are they lying...again?"
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:54 PM
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15. Because it shows the lack of credibility of the Pakistani gov't . Also why did they lie?
Personally, I believe elements of the government, many who have ties to Islamic militant groups (not likely Al Queda tho), were involved in the killing of Bhutto.

The only reason you see the gov't backtracking now on the sunroof claim is because a video was released showing the truth.
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