A question for the Clinton, Kerry (and Obama) supporters ........

[Stinky The Clown]

The right wing speculation following Kerry's endorsement of Obama is that it is payback to "The Clintons" for not having been more than tepid Kerry supporters in the 04 cycle.

What do you all think of this assertion?

(As a total aside, I see any reference to the Hillary Clinton run for president couched in "The Clintons" to be nothing but a slam. It has, in my mind, no good connotations.)

(As another aside - I see primary season endorsements by big political players as a waste of ammunition.)

[russian33]

1. you said it well...

"I see primary season endorsements by big political players as a waste of ammunition"

i agree.....i don't know why he did it, especially with Edwards still in the race...whatever the reason, i don't think it helps the party, and i personally don't think it makes that much difference for Obama

[cali]

6. sorry, but it does help Obama

For one thing, Kerry is a superdelegate. He's also a very liberal Senator who was the party's nominee in '04, and is popular with the base which is where Obama needs the most help. He may not be hugely influential, but it is a help. Plus, Obama snatches the news cycle from Clinton today, and that's always a help.

[xultar]

2. All I can say is...I held my nose to vote for Kerry. He BOMBED as a candidate.

I wouldn't want his endorsement.

[LostinVA]

4. A point I didn't think about

[BootinUp]

3. I don't buy it. Its more like Kerry wants more power

and he won't get it by attaching himself to the Clintons.

[MeDeMax]

5. It is RIGHT on (no pun intended)

If so, they deserve it !

Bill faked his bypass just before Kerry's election,
he could have had it done anytime, he has been
downing burgers since cows were invented for cryin
out loud.

But, I just don't see John Kerry as being so petty,
he is a thoughtful man, he wouldn't have done this
impulsively.

[russian33]

7. "faked his bypass"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Adelante]

8. Maybe he wants Obama to be president

Eh, it's never that simple, I know. I tend to doubt Kerry would be so petty as to endorse Obama out of spite. It doesn't ring right with me. But he must on some level feel his endorsement is meaningful to the country, meaningful to the party, or he wouldn't have made it. Kerry's never been especially in with "The Clintons," as I understand it, and perhaps this is a signal for a different direction for the party itself and he's decided to take sides on a power struggle going on. Idly speculating here, of course. Maybe he felt with the big guns turning on Obama in NH, he would offer some backup force. Maybe he was planning on endorsing Obama all along and was waiting for NH to pass, so he wouldn't appear to be interfering with geographic influence. I dunno.

[MeDeMax]

9. all good points

Kerry was very vocal with his support for Bill after EVERYONE,
including large parts of the dem establishment, bailed on him
after he received sexual favors from Lewinsky & claimed

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinsky".

[GalleryGod]

10. Nope. Bill did what he was asked in 2004

[BootinUp]

11. That means something coming from

a long time activist (I saw some of your other posts talking about that). There are many posts at DU that claim the opposite with regard to '04 and I take issue with them most of the time, but it gets tiring fighting the netroots sometimes.

[zulchzulu]

12. Hillary threw Kerry under the bus for the "botched joke" event

Many Democrats stood by Kerry for what was actually a non-event. Hillary took it as her chance to try to trash Kerry as soon as she could.

I'm sure she teared up after she did it too.

:crazy:

[BenDavid]

13. That is bunch of bullshit. Who do you think kerry called when his

ass was about to lose the state of pa to bush in 04? he sure as hell did not call obama because he gave a great speech. No, he called Bill Clinton and on october 25th 2004 bill clinton making his first public appearancec after heart surgery walked on stage with john kerry before 50,000 plus people and gave a great speech in reasons to support kerry.....The following week john kerry won pa.....

But then again what do I know except for you obama supporters that keep bringing up this race and race card, I told you all 3 weeks ago obama's campaign was playing the race card but you did not reconize it....annd now today it has gotten deeper cause those in the campaign for crying foul, foul and race is being used against obama......

you want an example of this....you might think it is not a use of race, “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” That is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Nice rant ...... too bad I'm not an Obama supporter as it avers

But never go for fact. Just make assumptions and then go for it. It feels better for you that way ...... even as it makes you look a bit unbalanced."

"But then again what do I know except for you obama supporters that keep bringing up this race and race card, I told you all 3 weeks ago obama's campaign was playing the race card but you did not reconize it....annd now today it has gotten deeper cause those in the campaign for crying foul, foul and race is being used against obama......

you want an example of this....you might think it is not a use of race, “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” That is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process"

See ....... you addressed that entire rant toward me. And if you re-read my OP, you'll be very hard pressed to see in it an Obama supporter,

[sandnsea]

15. It's Democrats vs DLC Clinton corporate bullshit

Period. I know some people are so far left the Democrats look like the Republicans. And I know others are firmly in the center and the left is so far out there all they can see is them sitting in the trees. But the Clintons are not good for this party, do not truly support honest campaign reform, are cozy with all kinds of multinational interests, actually spouted "stay the course" on Iraq, and will cause nothing but grief for the next 8 years. It makes no sense to nominate her and I think Kerry can clearly see it, can see Edwards isn't going to make it, and has decided to move before it's too late to affect the outcome. If Al Gore had any real balls, he'd endorse too. There's no other hope for this party or the country. Obama is ALL THERE IS.