If you are projected to win an election by double digits 3 days prior and lose it by 3 points...

[rinsd]

Poll question: If you are projected to win an election by double digits 3 days prior and lose it by 3 points...

[ixion]

1. funny how there is no fraud when it's YOUR candidate

lovely objectivity, that. :eyes:

[rinsd]

11. Because claiming fraud without evidence is so much better

Boy who cried wolf and all that jazz....

[ORDagnabbit]

2. or that the hackable error prone diebold machines should be audited?

why they seem to only poll correctly in hand counted areas.

polling to hand counts = correct
exit polling to hand counts = correct


polling to machine counts = error
exit polling to machine counts = error

[rinsd]

5. Umm there was only one exit poll conducted.

But hey you guys got a quote from Chris Matthews...that seals the deal!

:rofl:

[ORDagnabbit]

13. sorry to rain on your parade but multiple were done...here ya go.

NH-Pres (D)
Jan 8 Suffolk Univ.Obama 39%, Clinton 34%, Edwards 15% ..

Jan 8 RasmussenObama 37%, Clinton 30%, Edwards 19% ...NH-Pres (R)

Jan 8 ZogbyObama 42%, Clinton 29%, Edwards 17% ...NH-Pres (R)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/01/exit_polls_obama_and_mccain_ah.html
8:01 pm
Obama 39%
Clinton 34%
Edwards 18%

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/01/exit-poll-obama.html
8:10pm
Sen. Barack Obama: 39%.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton: 38%.

proof the networks are editing their results....
9:08 PM Exit poll has been reweighted and combined with town-by-town returns from sources suggest Senator Clinton may very well win by two points. - JOHN McINTYRE

[suston96]

21. Yawwwwwn......Has the Obama campaign cried "FRAUD"? No? Why not?

[rinsd]

22. First 3 are pre-election polls.

Zogby himself said they were seeing a Clinton upswing on Sun nite & Mon.

He also stated that Obama & Edwards support was softer than Hillary's.

And I was under the impression that one firm conducted the exit pols and distributed them to media. That appears to be what was done with CNN, MSNBC & AP.

Your 1st exit poll is a FoxNews exclusive :rofl:

And the 2nd exit poll shows a 1 pt separation.

Exit polls also showed that a great deal of people made their decision on the day of the election.

[ORDagnabbit]

27. nope their exit polls you

do a google search on the following and remember these were exit polls that they are scrubbing and changing to match actual poll results.

Jan 8 zogby exit obama 39%

here are the results you get

Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Early Returns -- Hillary ...Their thinking takes into account the current reporting precincts, exit polls, and pretty much ... Jan 8 Suffolk Univ. Obama 39%, Clinton 34%, Edwards 15% . ...
tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/early_returns_hillary_ahead_by_a_hair_mccain_has_sizable_lead.php - 30k -

then do a search on

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Jan 8 Rasmussen exit obama 37%

results

Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Your Guide To Tonight's ...Are you planning on looking for the exit polls tonight out of New Hampshire, but uncertain how ... Jan 8 Rasmussen. Obama 37%, Clinton 30%, Edwards 19% . ...
tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/your_guide_to_tonights_new_hampshire_exit_polls.php - 21k -
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Posts from the Barack Obama Category at Political MachineAccording to the often sketchy Rasmussen, Obama is now up 10 in New Hampshire: Barack Obama 37% ... (January 8). Barack Obama's ancestral home ...
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Jan 8 Suffolk Univ. exit obama 37%

results

Election Central | Talking Points Memo | ABC Exit Polls: Strong ...Jan 8 Suffolk Univ. Romney 30%, McCain 26%, Huckabee 13% ... NH-Pres (D) Jan 8 Rasmussen. Obama 37%, Clinton 30%, Edwards 19% . ...
tpmelectioncentral.com/2006/11/abc_exit_polls_strong_disapproval_of_bush_iraq_war_among_todays_voters.php - 22k -
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these were exit polls that they are scrubbing and changing with actual poll results.

[rinsd]

29. Those are pre election polls (on edit removed smartass remark)

Rasmussen, Zogby & Suffolk all ceased polling Monday.

[ORDagnabbit]

31. hmmm okay I'll double look at whether they are exit or pre-polling

“Everybody has bad polls from time to time,” said pollster Scott Rasmussen. “But, I can’t remember a time when the entire polling industry got one thing so wrong across the board.”

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/webedition/page.cfm?pageid=1495&navid=51


Absent one major exception, though, the pre-primary polls out of New Hampshire were right on target. On the Republican side, pollsters had the race pegged just right with Sen. John McCain holding a four point lead on average before the primary – he bested Romney by six points.


Polls on the Democratic side also had the support of former Sen. John Edwards measured right. In pre-primary polls, his support hovered between 17 and 20 percent – he finished with 17 percent of the vote last night.


And In Iowa, polls before the caucus that showed Clinton dipping to third place and Obama in the lead also proved accurate.

[sunonmars]

3. you lost....

or completely inept or " your likeable enough Barack"

[ORDagnabbit]

17. we all lost because we dont have transparent and verifiable elections

this is not about me vs you. its about the citizenry of this country having faith in the election process

[suston96]

24. Verify the election. This one IS transparent. It has 100% paper ballots.

Call the Obama campaign and point out the fraud. Tell Axelrod and ilk to demand a recount.

Meanwhile, here is why Hillary Clinton won:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/09/AR2008010903855_pf.html

It wasn't fraud. It was rampant, unabashed, out of control sexism!

[Dawgs]

4. When you're up by 4 points on Thursday and win by 3 on Tuesday you're NOT the "comeback kid"

[rinsd]

6. When you came in 3rd in an election beforehand you are.

[Dawgs]

25. Did they vote again in Iowa? Hillary was always ahead in New Hampshire.

Do I need to draw a picture for you?

[rinsd]

26. Sure. Perhaps you can illustrate how NH happened in a bubble with no effect from IA

:evilgrin:

[William769]

10. When you are down by 14 on the day of the primary and win, yes you are.

[killbotfactory]

20. But the polls were completely bogus

So how does that count as a comeback?

[Teaser]

7. Both Obama supporters and Hilary supporters are acting like assholes

You all really are a cavalcade of clowns. Grow the fuck up, all of you.

[William769]

8. Follow the yellow brick road.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4019050&mesg_id=4021663

[FlyingSquirrel]

9. Was just listening to Air America...

I think it was Thom Hartmann, not sure. But he made a good point about "losing" NH - basically said we shouldn't really be discussing the primary in terms of winning and losing. Clinton won some delegates, Obama won some delegates, and Edwards won some delegates. Pure and simple.

[ORDagnabbit]

14. true we need to talk about transparent and verifiable elections for all!

[MethuenProgressive]

12. The polls all said BO would get mid-30s. He got 36%. The polls were right.

All the rest is whine.

[BringBigDogBack]

15. How much was Hillary ahead

in the NH polls before Iowa?

Thought so. Polls mean dick.

This thing is a long, long way from over.

[BringBigDogBack]

16. I think I may just go cry.

Anybody got a camera?

[Renew Deal]

18. This is BULLSHIT!!!

:rofl:

[antiimperialist]

19. Your poll doesn't include a fraud option

It reminds me of those polls with a format like this:
Who's the most handsome man in DU?

1)Me
2)Me

[Bread and Circus]

23. The polls were wrong to begin with, Obama never really lead...

There were sampling problems with the polls.

There's a good article in the New York Times about it. You should read it.

Also, it's Clinton that lost a lot of ground in New Hampshire because it was she that was leading the polls by double digits all year.

Obama's bounce helped him pull close.

[RC]

28. So the Republican controlled voting machines were 100% accurate?

We have had something like 50 years to get exit polling down as a science and it has been long proven to be quite accurate.
Now we vote by computer and at the same time exit poles suddenly become suspect because they differ from the "Official" vote count? I don't think so.

[Bread and Circus]

32. You know what, this wasn't an election. This was a primary.

and the real value of NH is not the votes, it's the press buzz and momentum that emerges from it.

That is still Obama's to control.

The Clinton camp did not rig the machines and the only other vested party would be the Republicans and they would lose a lot more than they would gain if they rigged the machines for this match if it were ever found out.

There's just no credible motive, only the means. However, there's also no eye witness or a smoking gun.

The most important thing to do with lemons is to make lemonaid. Clinton won because of the women vote, and short of a sex change operation, Obama needs to pay very close attention to hte interests of women if he is to succeed. He competes and exceeds in nearly all other demographics.

There's a lot of things the Obama camp can do right now. Whining about NH will not help, it would only hurt.

This is truly, truly a case of "let's move on".

[RC]

34. There is a creditable motive. To test the programing of the machines

in a real world situation. "They" keep refining these voting machines, making it harder and harder to prove anything is wrong. At the same time they are restricting who can call for recounts and how recounts are done. That is assuming there is a physical record to do a recount from.

Lets not move on till the owners of the machines can prove the machine count is the same as the actual count with a margin of error approaching zero percent.

In fact these machine need to be the property of the local governments and not a private company. The programing needs to be open source. Anyone for a small fee should be able to buy a copy of the program used in any voting machine anywhere in the country to count the votes.

Our elections absolutely must be transparent and they cannot be as long as we allow privately owned computers and secret, copyrighted, proprietary programs to be the final say in elections without any proof, other than the owners say so that they are even counting the votes accurately.

As things stand now, where they use voting machings, we have biased manufactures, biased owners, biased programing and biased control of our elections.

"It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes," Joseph Stalin

[Barack_America]

30. Only one choice? What a democratic poll. Did Kim Jong-Il write it for you? n/t

[Anouka]

33. But lost to what? Racism? Flaky Females? or Fraud?

Since no one wants to accuse New Hampshirites of racism......... it's down to

* Flaky Females

and

* Fraud


Looks like 'Flaky Females' is the politically correct winner, post-New Hampshire.

[suston96]

35. Obama ignored flaky females like this one?

Yeah, that will usually turn an election around, especially if there are millions of them all over the country.

(I thank a DUer for that photo).

[Anouka]

36. She is already a Hillary supporter. She is not Pernold-Young or Allison Hampton

WSJ Wire Blog (check out the last three paragraphs in particular)

My point, again, is that there's a reluctance to call white women racists; but no reluctance at all in portraying white women as flaky and easily moved with the winds of emotion. My problem is that these women encourage the flaky fest.