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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:43 AM
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My thoughts about Edwards, as a person and a candidate...for what it's worth. :)
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:44 AM by timeforarevolution
I'm posting and running, but most of the questions about Edwards from those sincerely undecided are with regard to the "trust" factor. That's a valid concern for all candidates...all people.

I've compiled what I feel is a good summary about Edwards: 1) the link to the post discussing his Senate record; 2) my comments with regard to "trust"; and, 3) Two America's post with regard to his CANDIDACY (I hope it's okay I did that...I think it's spot on and brilliant), as well as the link that goes with #2 and #3.

I realize no one asked for my opinion, but I'm sharing this summary anyway in case it helps someone make a decision, one way or another. Being undecided is a challenging place to be, IMHO, so I feel for anyone struggling with that. I'm not telling you nor asking you to vote for Edwards, I'm simply asking anyone on the fence to please open your mind and heart (yeah, yeah, I'm a touchy-feely gal) and consider what is written below.

The first is a link to the thread discussing his Senate record: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

This link is a general discussion that may be helpful. I've copied and pasted two posts from this thread below as well, as I think it gets to the heart of the matter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

I wrote the following last night with regard to some people looking at Edwards and not trusting him versus those of us who do:

Many here despise the "gut" thing...gut instinct rather than something vetted and written in a report and published with all the details that can't be disputed, set out for all to see in black and white. Damn, I wish all our decisions could be made on such a nice, neat basis, but rarely are there facts that are that all-encompassing and indisputable. Our individual interpretations (unless one is a lemming) and perceptions then come into play after we've gathered information.

It's like those ink blot tests: everyone looks at the same image and they all see (interpret) different things. It doesn't mean one drank the Kool-Aid or didn't do his/her homework, they simply react differently and perceive differently based on his/her experiences.

My gut instinct says I can trust Edwards; indeed, I believe the passion he is displaying can ignite the people to feel empowered once again, reclaim the "process" and demand accountability. That decision is based on having read all the good, bad and ugly about him there is to read, and then weighing that against my gut instinct and doing the same with the other candidates.

I completely understand that another reasonable, realistic, informed person can look at him, his record, his platform and his delivery and think "he can't be trusted, he's too slick," "his record doesn't reflect what he's saying now," "his hair is too nice for me to like him," "he can't possibly do what he's saying he's gonna do."

That's how others may react to him, and in turn they (hopefully) resonate with another Dem candidate. And that's cool!

But when I hear that, like me, he lost a child, and after that loss he and Elizabeth clarified their path and decided upon public service when he had plenty of money to do what he wanted, I see integrity. Others may see him as "using" this loss as a sympathy vote. But based on MY personal experience, I see integrity and a selfless decision.

When I hear him admit to having made mistakes and admittedly having gone through a major learning process during his time in the Senate, I see someone who is holding himself accountable and acknowledging that we continue to learn and hopefully strive to do better. Others hear him admit to multiple mistakes and see a screw-up.

When I see pictures of his huge house and reports about his wealth, I wonder, "Why the heck are you putting you and your wife and family through such a brutal process when you clearly don't HAVE to?" And then the integrity issue and the choices they have made as a family, after and during loss, come to my mind to answer my own question. And I appreciate the fact that he acknowledges that he has been so lucky that his hard work paid off and his family is secure, and he wants to fight so that everyone who works hard has the same opportunity. I always say, I'd rather have a rich man fighting for me than a rich man fighting against me (we have plenty of that, eh?).

Others see pics of his house and reports of his wealth and see a hypocrite. That's their opinion.

Even armed with information, we see what we want to see based on our interests, our perspectives, and our experiences. I personally would feel better about life in general if more people tapped into their gut instinct and followed it.

As always, this is all just my humble opinion.

This post is from Two Americas, and I believe it describes his CANDIDACY perfectly. Not the man, but his candidacy:

"Speaking for myself, and from what other Edwards supporters have told me, it is not Edwards that people are "over the moon" for, it is the promise and power implicit in his message and the potential that has for overhauling the entire political landscape.

Other candidates have much more "star appeal," and better resumes, more charisma, more talent and are better speakers.

There are, of course, some who are infatuated with Edwards, just as there always are with every candidate, but there is something different going on with the Edwards following.

I will support any Democrat who says what Edwards is saying. I strongly believe that if every Democrat were saying what Edwards is saying, that the right wingers would be totally routed for a generation or more. If every Democrat said what Edwards is saying - even if they were lying or failed to come through (as people insinuate about Edwards) - the revitalization and success of the Democratic party would be assured, because an aroused population would demand it and sooner or later the politicians would have to come through for us.

I also believe that there are Democrats who are resisting this because they do not want the Democratic party to return to its roots and regain its former prowess and success. They are personally comfortable with the party the way it is.

Edwards is far from perfect. If politicians were rainstorms, he would be a sprinkle. But that could grow into the downpour we need, and after decades of drought people who are dying of thirst are excited by the first sign of rain and that is why their heads are pointed skyward and their palms are outstretched to catch every drop. For those who are themselves not dying of thirst, and who are oblivious to the millions around them who are, it is difficult for them to understand the Edwards phenomenon. That is OK. Everyone will come around eventually. It is just a matter of time now, and is much, much bigger than the Edwards candidacy."


Best wishes to everyone in their "discovery process"!





:patriot:

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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:45 AM
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1. I believe in the past few years
Edwards has been favorably influenced by a friend of his who got into politics in 2006. This person is a friend of mine and his style and quest for truth inspired me and many others. Undoubtedly he also influenced his political mentor.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:46 AM
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2. I support this man. He's honest and I appreciate what he tried to do for Katrina victims
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:49 AM by ursi
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:04 AM
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3. This OP has captured and put into words why Edwards resonates with me. The clarity
of the reasoning, the simple and transformative journey....is exactly what I have personally experienced.


Thank you, timeforarevolution, for the work and thought you put into this OP.

Outstanding! :yourock:



:hi:





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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:16 AM
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4. Wonderful - just wonderful.
I have been on the Edwards train since 2003 - His Two Americas speech was the spark of truth, reason and hope this country has needed and I have not looked back. I will support Edwards enthusiastically all the way to the White House. K&R and nicely done!
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:26 AM
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5. Nice writeup on JE! To me, it's a simple 'them vs us'.
Them are the corporations and super rich. Anytime there's a committee hearing about most issues, the execs are called in to get involved, whether it be Democratic or Republican. If you want a continuation, just vote for the others. Are they(Obama, Edwards, or Repukes) sending any messages that they won't listen to the lobbyist or big business donors? Do you think it's an illusion that Edwards is not visible on your news? Are the corporations or super rich voluntarily suggesting we have a fair tax on them? And you can be sure that when it comes to having to defend the country, it won't be their kids. It's them vs us!
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:56 AM
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6. It IS The Promise and POWER of The John Edwards Message And The TRUST In Him To Carry Out
His Proposal... That is it in a nut shell! :think:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 12:00 PM
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7. As I have said before, it is all about voting for his MESSAGE!
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 12:02 PM by calipendence
If we all vote for his message, and that message wins, that is larger than just a vote for who's president. It is a vote for a mandate for the generation of politicians to come at a time of change. If we vote for this office just on style and not the substance, we LOSE that mandate.

Now we might get lucky and Hillary or Obama might turn out to reneg o their "obligations" to their special interest contributors and do what Edwards is espousing publicly, but is that really the way change will happen? Then the media will go after Hillary or Obama for NOT doing what they got elected for in office, even if it is the right thing to do.

Even if you don't trust Edwards to carry out this message, and if he doesn't carry it out, we still will have the mandate of what he campaigned on and what we voted for to hold him and many other politicians accountable.

In this election of imperfect choices all the way around, in my book voting for message to become mandate IS the right thing to do. And Edwards, as well as Kucinich, are the persons with that message. Edwards though is the more practical choice to make that message a majority mandate!
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