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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:16 PM
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The Clintons Are Brilliant Campaigners. Everyone Has Forgotten There's a War In Iraq.
Anybody remember the War in Iraq?

$9 Billion a month and the blood keeps flowing.

Iraq isn't a good topic for the Clintons.

Barack needs to bring it back up. So should Edwards.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:20 PM
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1. Not to mention half a million Iraqi children that died because of Clinton sanctions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions

"Much of Iraq’s economic infrastructure was damaged from lack of resources due to the sanctions. Iraq's ability for aggression was also destroyed. The purpose was to coerce the Iraqi government to cooperate with the United Nations, to initiate an improvement in Iraq's previously aggressive foreign policy, and reduce human rights abuses.

Critics of the sanctions say that over a million Iraqis, disproportionately children, died as a result of them, <6> although other researchers concluded that the total was lower. <4> <7> <8> UNICEF announced that 500,000 child deaths have occurred as a result of the sanctions.<9> The sanctions resulted in high rates of malnutrition, lack of medical supplies, and diseases from lack of clean water. Chlorine, was desperately needed to disinfect water supplies, but it was banned from the country due to the potential that it may be used as part of a chemical weapon. On May 10, 1996, Madeleine Albright (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations at the time) appeared on 60 Minutes and was confronted with statistics of half a million children under five having died as a result of the sanctions. She replied "we think the price is worth it", though in her 2003 autobiography she wrote of her response (answering a loaded question): <10>"
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:33 PM
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8. I do not in any way believe your numbers, but I do wonder if you
think Bush's invasion and blowing their heads off was the better solution. I know you hate the Clintons especially since you have to keep digging slime go throw in hopes it will stick and make your guy look better. But this kind of stuff will come back and bite the dem in the rear this fall.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:35 PM
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9. Those numbers are real. If the sanctions were the doing of a Republican and not a Democrat,
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 11:37 PM by Occam Bandage
we would (rightfully) be calling it a crime against humanity. They were one of Osama bin Laden's stated reasons for committing 9/11, actually.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:00 AM
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13. You need to educate yourself. The ability to be self-critical is what separates us from them.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:22 PM
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2. Unfortunately, Iraq has a habit of bringing itself up.
It's almost a near certainty that, before Feb. 5, there will be an incident in which multiple American soldiers are killed.

(yes I realize that Iraqi citizens are killed daily, but they don't seem to grab the attention of Americans, do they?)
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:24 PM
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3. Haven't you realized it's the press that isn't talking about Iraq.?
It has nothing to do with the Clintons and their campaigning.
Get with the program!

"The Clintons Are Brilliant Campaigners."
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:27 PM
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4. Excellent point. She has maneuvered things to the point where
calling her on the IWR now sounds backward-looking.

The "co-sponsor my bill" debate stunt was very sharp.

(And I was amazed one of the dumb-ass drones on MSNBC picked up on it that way... as putting the IWR in the past)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:33 PM
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7. John Edwards and Barack Obama both should get back to the war.
It's the biggest issue with Americans.

Thanks for your commnets.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:49 PM
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11. Clinton's slippery. Every Iraq statement includes "begin"
We will "begin" to bring troops home in the first sixty days.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:32 PM
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5. Nobody wants to tell the truth about Iraq: WE'RE NEVER LEAVING


Why isn't this brought up in debates?




http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n20/holt01_.html

It’s the Oil
Jim Holt

Iraq is ‘unwinnable’, a ‘quagmire’, a ‘fiasco’: so goes the received opinion. But there is good reason to think that, from the Bush-Cheney perspective, it is none of these things. Indeed, the US may be ‘stuck’ precisely where Bush et al want it to be, which is why there is no ‘exit strategy’.


Iraq has 115 billion barrels of known oil reserves. That is more than five times the total in the United States. And, because of its long isolation, it is the least explored of the world’s oil-rich nations. A mere two thousand wells have been drilled across the entire country; in Texas alone there are a million. It has been estimated, by the Council on Foreign Relations, that Iraq may have a further 220 billion barrels of undiscovered oil; another study puts the figure at 300 billion. If these estimates are anywhere close to the mark, US forces are now sitting on one quarter of the world’s oil resources. The value of Iraqi oil, largely light crude with low production costs, would be of the order of $30 trillion at today’s prices. For purposes of comparison, the projected total cost of the US invasion/occupation is around $1 trillion.

Who will get Iraq’s oil? One of the Bush administration’s ‘benchmarks’ for the Iraqi government is the passage of a law to distribute oil revenues. The draft law that the US has written for the Iraqi congress would cede nearly all the oil to Western companies. The Iraq National Oil Company would retain control of 17 of Iraq’s 80 existing oilfields, leaving the rest – including all yet to be discovered oil – under foreign corporate control for 30 years. ‘The foreign companies would not have to invest their earnings in the Iraqi economy,’ the analyst Antonia Juhasz wrote in the New York Times in March, after the draft law was leaked. ‘They could even ride out Iraq’s current “instability” by signing contracts now, while the Iraqi government is at its weakest, and then wait at least two years before even setting foot in the country.’ As negotiations over the oil law stalled in September, the provincial government in Kurdistan simply signed a separate deal with the Dallas-based Hunt Oil Company, headed by a close political ally of President Bush.

How will the US maintain hegemony over Iraqi oil? By establishing permanent military bases in Iraq. Five self-sufficient ‘super-bases’ are in various stages of completion. All are well away from the urban areas where most casualties have occurred. There has been precious little reporting on these bases in the American press, whose dwindling corps of correspondents in Iraq cannot move around freely because of the dangerous conditions. (It takes a brave reporter to leave the Green Zone without a military escort.) In February last year, the Washington Post reporter Thomas Ricks described one such facility, the Balad Air Base, forty miles north of Baghdad. A piece of (well-fortified) American suburbia in the middle of the Iraqi desert, Balad has fast-food joints, a miniature golf course, a football field, a cinema and distinct neighbourhoods – among them, ‘KBR-land’, named after the Halliburton subsidiary that has done most of the construction work at the base. Although few of the 20,000 American troops stationed there have ever had any contact with an Iraqi, the runway at the base is one of the world’s busiest. ‘We are behind only Heathrow right now,’ an air force commander told Ricks.

....

This is the ‘mess’ that Bush-Cheney is going to hand on to the next administration. What if that administration is a Democratic one? Will it dismantle the bases and withdraw US forces entirely? That seems unlikely, considering the many beneficiaries of the continued occupation of Iraq and the exploitation of its oil resources. The three principal Democratic candidates – Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards – have already hedged their bets, refusing to promise that, if elected, they would remove American forces from Iraq before 2013, the end of their first term.

Among the winners: oil-services companies like Halliburton; the oil companies themselves (the profits will be unimaginable, and even Democrats can be bought); US voters, who will be guaranteed price stability at the gas pump (which sometimes seems to be all they care about); Europe and Japan, which will both benefit from Western control of such a large part of the world’s oil reserves, and whose leaders will therefore wink at the permanent occupation; and, oddly enough, Osama bin Laden, who will never again have to worry about US troops profaning the holy places of Mecca and Medina, since the stability of the House of Saud will no longer be paramount among American concerns. Among the losers is Russia, which will no longer be able to lord its own energy resources over Europe. Another big loser is Opec, and especially Saudi Arabia, whose power to keep oil prices high by enforcing production quotas will be seriously compromised.

---more at link---


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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:32 PM
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6. in case you missed this.. joe wilson asks where was obama?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:36 PM
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10. People's 401k plans are being drained by the hour
Iraq is a distant memory now. :(
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:24 AM
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16. I'm afraid you're right.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:57 PM
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12. Not everyone...
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:01 AM
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I remembered it earlier today..my cousins husband (3rd NG tour)
found out recently.... she is pregnant, he is having SERIOUS problems adjusting.


....She just cries into the phone.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:07 PM
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19. We need to be discussing the war in Iraq and ending it.
We need to get Iraq back to the top.

Even here at the DU, check the top two forums. Hardly a mention of Iraq the last weeks.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:01 AM
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14. Hillary is the one who brought it up at the debate when no one was talking about it...
so i wholeheartedly disagree.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:08 AM
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15. We must be viewing TWO different couples?!? "Brilliant?" No, more like *petty and conniving.*
IMO, it's way beyond time for the two of them to mercifully "go their own special way" OFF OF THE NATIONAL STAGE. The entire Clintonian DLC serve as one big power consolidating embarrassment ... well, unless Americans now choose to HONOR deceit and other cut-throat tactics of "a cross between P.T. Barnum and Iago." :thumbsdown:
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:49 AM
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17. Americans are looking at looming life and death situations at home.
In the form of a crashing economy compounding a the current healthcare goatfuck, amonst other things. Hillary is strong on these domestic issues, and they've got some weight with the average joe now. Doesn't mean anybody has forgotten Iraq.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:33 AM
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18. This deserves to be pinned, but the best I can do is to kick it...n/t
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