While Wal Mart was squeezing out the "Mom and Pop" shops...

[SHRED]

...across our Nation and practicing anti-union aggression, Hillary Clinton was all to happy to make money off her Wal Mart stock options.

Is this correct?

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ON EDIT: added links:

Take Wal-Mart. While her husband was governor of Arkansas, she served for six years on Wal-Mart's board. During that time, Wal-Mart grew and grew and grew. And Hillary deposited her paycheck and received stock options.

Juicier yet, Hillary and Bill earned the equivalent of frequent flyer status on Wal-Mart's corporate jets, taking 14 trips in 1990 and 1991 to begin their pursuit of the presidency. They'd hit the big time.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PaulJacob/2006/03/26/hillary_clinton,_no_longer_buying_baking_supplies_at_wal-mart

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

[RogueTrooper]

1. zing!

;-)

[antigop]

2. Don't know about that...but I'd like to know what she did at the Rose Law Firm. n/t

[puerco-bellies]

8. Gee, maybe she was there because she is a lawyer..

Ya think!?!

[antigop]

9. You didn't answer my post. What did she DO at the Rose Law firm? n/t

[puerco-bellies]

11. What do lawers do?

Your kidding, you don't know what a lawyer does?

[antigop]

13. What did Hillary do at the Rose law firm? Thank you again for drawing attention to this. n/t

[antigop]

12. .. the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal

affairs.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-01.htm

And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

[OhioChick]

3. Hillary Clinton and Wal-Mart: A Love Story

Even Wal-Mart, the largest and arguably most powerful corporation in the country, is no match for the triangulation, pandering and obfuscation of Hillary Clinton. With Wal-Mart rating as public enemy number one among many liberals, progressives and just regular voters, Clinton is finding her past ties to Wal-Mart too hot to handle so, presto, over the side the Beast of Bentonville must go.

For those not in the know, Clinton served on Wal-Mart’s board for six years prior to her husband’s run for the presidency. She recently received $5,000 from Wal-Mart. I’ve raised the Wal-Mart relationship repeatedly in my current race against Clinton and it causes deep unease among voters. I believe it speaks to the incumbent’s close ties to abusive corporate power: her large corporate financial contributions, her support for so-called “free trade” (which is simply trade to benefit corporations) and her unwillingness to confront corporate power that denies every American, among other things, universal health insurance.

So, I had to chuckle when I read that Clinton, having never said a bad word about the company in the past, recently said that Wal-Mart should pay more for its workers’ health benefits. And, to boot, she returned the $5,000 she had received from the company. But, when asked what she did about the company’s benefits for workers when she served on the board, she replied, “Well, you know, I, that was a long time ago ... have to remember…”

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t promote an image of being an intelligent woman who has a pile of facts at her fingertips but, at the same time, you suffer a sudden bout of amnesia when asked to answer for your record. And it would be an inconvenient record to defend.

In 1992, Wal-Mart was simply smaller than it is today. But it was still huge, with $43.9 billion in net sales, 1,714 stores and 371,000 employees. Even in 1992, Wal-Mart was already the world’s largest retailer.

And the board Hillary Clinton sat on was rabidly anti-union, was exploiting sweatshop labor around the world, discriminating against women workers, forcing workers to labor off the clock and destroying communities that did not want them. This should not be a shock: Clinton was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.

So, the question still remains: what did Hillary Clinton do—or, not do—when she served on the board of Wal-Mart? Maybe, if her memory was refreshed, she could tell us how she protested the company’s relentless union-busting, expressed feminist outrage at the widespread discrimination against women and was horrified that the mushrooming wealth of the Wal-Mart family was made possible on the backs of slave labor around the world.

Her behavior then, when the spotlight was not on and her record did not matter to voters, should tell voters a lot more about her principles and values than the carefully orchestrated image New Yorkers try to figure out now. The voters deserve to know.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

[puerco-bellies]

4. Jeeze you failed to mention her cattle futures.

:sarcasm:

WTF.

[SHRED]

5. Refute my OP if you can

[puerco-bellies]

7. Why don't you just come out and endorse one of the GOP candidates?

Why the fuck not, you carry water for them.

[SHRED]

10. I don't care for the DLC Clintons

You think the GOP cares if she was corporate or not? LOL.

Here is more.
Read it and weep:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3933703


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[puerco-bellies]

15. I've been politically active for over thirty years.

I don't need your screeds, and I don't need to weep. I've worked for campaigns, up to precinct captain. I work with democrats, not against them.

[SHRED]

18. I work against the Corporatists and you for a "party"

That is where we differ.

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rhett o rick]

23. Bingo. And we want to clean the party of the corporatist DINO's. nm

[SHRED]

26. Exactly...where is the Populist roots of the Democratic Party?

[SHRED]

25. I'm still looking for substance rather than "loyalty" ...

...from you.

Tell us why it is OK to back corporate Dems.
To me there is not a dimes worth of difference between a Repub fat cat and a Dem fat cat.

I hope the Dems sweep the elections with a resounding victory.
I then hope that they get back to their Populist roots.
I have my doubts.


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[puerco-bellies]

34. I support Democrats

I don't tear them down. There is another site for those who do. Who ever get the nomination gets my support. Why? Because I'm a Democrat. This is the Democraticunderground, don't like our candidates, post on another site.

To all you fucking disruptor's, this is a fucking Democratic site. You don't have to like all the candidates, but if you spend most of your time tearing them down you are working for the other side.

[SHRED]

35. I don't recognize her as a Democrat

DINO yes but Democrat no.

[rhett o rick]

39. If you are a true Democrat then you would recognize that we discuss the

huge differences between our candidates. You imply, but I seriously doubt, that you support all Democrats, incl DINO's. The Democratic Party is our only hope to get out of this mess, but there are those in the Party that are owned by the same corporatist that own the republicans. Just because they have a (d) behind their name doesn't mean they support our values. Look at Lieberman and Feinstein.

And you attitude isn't befitting a Democrat.

Have a nice day

[puerco-bellies]

41. Lieberman and Feinstein are not running for president

Not tearing down our candidates is an attitude that "isn't befitting a Democrat", but sniping at our candidates is.. :rofl:

BTW Don't wish me a nice day if you don't mean it.

Bullshit is bullshit, in word, deed, and soul.

[rhett o rick]

57. You imply that you support all Democrats. I merely pointing out that the

same corporations that own the republican have a heavy influence in the Democratic Party. To flatly say we should support all Democrats is wrong. IMHO.

Some people are trying to stifle debate by calling it "tearing down". If a Democratic candidate has supported George W. Bush and his imperial war, it should be discussed. Mentioning it isn't tearing anyone down.

and i do mean for you to have a nice day. I try to debate in a civil manner. Occasionally i get overly enthusiastic.

It is time for a change, time to throw out the DINO's.

[bvar22]

71. Supporting "ALL" Democrats...

is NOT part of the solution.
It is part of the PROBLEM.

If we had been better at holding our elected represenatives ACCOUNTABLE, we wouldn't be in such a mess.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[ProudDad]

60. Read the Rules

"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office"

As you can see "Progressive Ideals" are FIRST...

hillary is by NO stretch of imagination "progressive", especially when she was making big bucks carrying corporate water for Wal-Mart while Bill was governing for Tyson Chicken!

When the Democrat Party actually runs a progressive, like Dennis Kucinich or Donna Edwards most of us are completely on board with them (unlike the Democrat Party Leadership)!


http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/11/donna-edwards-is-democrat-al-wynn-is.html

[rhett o rick]

76. Good post. If I have to support Feinstein or Lieberman to be able to stay on DU, then bye-bye.

I am a free thinking American first and a Democrat second. Those that want to follow the corporatist wing of the party should become republicans. Then no thinking is req'd.

[rhett o rick]

22. I don't consider corporatists Democrats even if they call themselves Democrats. nm

[QueenOfCalifornia]

40. You must be kidding...

Why is it when anyone says anything regarding the Clinton's and their corporate affiliations someone believes that they need to APOLOGIZE for them???

The OP simply points out FACT.

It isn't some diatribe aimed at Hillary Clinton on a PERSONAL level. It is directed at her business and career motivations.

And BTW... Thanks for tooting your own horn...

(K&R)

[Maribelle]

42. The sin of omission

What you call facts are half truths negated because they do not tell the full story.

[rhett o rick]

75. In other words relax and drink the DLC koolaide. nm

[ProudDad]

59. So being against the Corpo-Candidate hillary

is being pro-GOP.

How entirely shallow of you. :eyes:

[roguevalley]

67. She worked for a company with this reputation. If you substitute

Romney into her place and actions, everyone would be in fits. How can she not get the same accord?

[antigop]

6. Hillary Clinton feels heat over Wal-Mart ties

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-01.htm

With retailer Wal-Martunder fire for its labor and healthcare policies, one Democrat with ties to the company, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has started feeling her share of the political heat.

Hillary Clinton was paid $18,000 each year she served on the board, plus $1,500 for each meeting she attended. By 1993 she had accumulated at least $100,000 in Wal-Mart stock.

Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

Hillary Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board ''was a great experience in every respect."

But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's reelection campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing ''serious differences with current company practices."

As Clinton sheds her Arkansas past and looks ahead to a possible 2008 presidential run, the Wal-Mart issue presents an exquisite dilemma: how to reconcile the political demands she faces today with her history at a company many consumers depend upon but many Democratic activists revile.
....

''There's no evidence she did anything to improve the status of women or make it a very different place in ways Mrs. Clinton's Democratic base would care about," said Liza Featherstone, author of ''Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Worker's Rights at Wal-Mart."

[Maribelle]

14. When Sam Walton was alive - he epitomized the American Dream and cared for his employees and ...

supported small companies that would contract with him to ship "made in America" goods throughout this country for his customers.

Sam Walton knew each of his store managers by first name, and knew about their families. His promote from within policy allowed many workers to rise above low wage jobs, offering free training during work time as well.

Hillary and Bill were friends with Sam.

WALMART changed significantly after his death.

[madrchsod]

16. yes sam always bought american first-

i remember when walmart made it a point to put flags by the products made in america in the advertising..

[SHRED]

17. Sure he did...just keep telling yourself that

In In Sam We Trust, investigative journalist Bob Ortega exposes the underside of Wal-Mart and defrocks Sam Walton, the founder of the retailing mammoth. Ortega chronicles Walton's rise from a backwater retailer in Arkansas to one of the richest men in the country. While Walton carefully crafted a public image as a regular guy who drove a pickup and wore a name tag at his stores, Ortega paints a different picture of a two-faced and ruthless invader of small-town America. Walton was so stingy that his chain was last among major retailers in charity donations in terms of percentage of earnings. He hurt the downtowns of many communities by building Wal-Marts on the outskirts and capturing up to 75 percent of his sales from the preexisting stores. The late billionaire was obsessed with profits and cutting costs. He pioneered temporary help--a third of Wal-Mart's employees are part-time and the average worker only earns about $7.50 an hour. Even while making a big media splash with a "Buy American" program in the 1980s, Walton quietly expanded his company's Hong Kong staff and continued to import apparel made by cheap child labor in the Third World.

But, as Ortega points out, Walton was also a retailing visionary. He saw opportunity long before others and was the first to go big with discount stores in smaller cities and towns. All the while, he stuck to his formula of offering the lowest possible prices and profiting from vast sales volumes. He invested early in computers and satellite communications for his stores. And he raced past competitors such as Sears and Kmart with an incredibly lean and fast distribution system. Ortega, who took a leave from the staff of the Wall Street Journal to write this book, pursued Walton's legacy across America to town squares such as Steamboat Springs, Colorado, which finally succumbed to Wal-Mart, and Greenfield, Massachusetts, where activists blocked the store. He interviewed hundreds of people including many former and top Wal-Mart officials. Ortega even hunts down Wal-Mart's suppliers in Central America to document the exploitation of children in clothing factories. In Sam We Trust is an important work about a man who changed the face of retailing, for better and worse. --Dan Ring

http://www.amazon.com/Sam-We-Trust-Wal-Mart-Powerful/dp/0812963776

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[Maribelle]

21. Don't kid youself - Ortega lifted his infromation from Sam's autobiography

then focused merely on the negative.

But the problem with your post is that Ortega did not contradict one thing I said - - and the information that I posted can also be found in Sam's autobiography, and has been attested to by many.

Don't forget - Ortega worked for the Wall Street Journal, the repbulican swamp that hated Sam.

[SHRED]

29. Yeah Sam Walton was a fantastic guy...

...that is why he gave so heavily to the Republican Party.

Get a clue


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[Maribelle]

43. You still seem unable to contradict what I posted.

amen

[SHRED]

47. The fact that you defend Sam Walton...

...says it all.



:puke:

[Maribelle]

49. Sam Walton died in 1992. A lot has changed since his death.

I speak of his established record, nothing more - nothing less.

[antigop]

44. So what did Hilllary do at the Rose Law firm if Hillary was Sam's "friend"? Hmmm??? N/t

[ProudDad]

61. Wow, what a grand regurgitation of that bullshit myth!

:puke:

Walton was doubtless a ruthless, capitalist fuck who didn't notice nor give a shit about what his model of retail sales would do to main street America!

Walton's model of "cheap prices" on the backs of labor and the 9000 mile supply line floating on cheap oil is so obviously dead-end and antithetical to a decent life that only under this perverse, cancerous, USAmerikan capitalist system could it have been tolerated.

Walton was NOT a progressive by any stretch of the imagination.

John Rockefeller gave out dimes to children (his handlers thought he should burnish his image in his old age -- and to help his sons and Standard Oil) but that didn't change the fact that he was a fascist fuck and an evil man! Same with Walton...

[MadHound]

63. That's a happy load of horseshit cooked up by good ol' Sam and his PR boys

While Sam may have cruised the country in an old beater of a truck, dressed in overalls and had a seamless "aw shucks" good ol' country boy facade going on, behind the scenes he was a vicious, ruthless old fuck who instituted the WalMart practice of scewing over the little guy. Wal Mart's business model of vertical integration was a recent invention, that was Sam's idea from the beginning. WalMart's practice of undercutting competing stores and forcing them out of business, after which he raised prices back up, is from the Walton playbook also. WalMart didn't suddenly become some ruthless, predatory corporate entity after Sam died, far from it. They're simply continuing to follow the playbook that Sam wrote.

As far as him being nice to employees, yeah, in a very creepy sort of way. He essentially ran his stores like a cult. Cheers in the morning, cheers at break, and overworked and underpaid all the time. He was the one who perfected how not to give his employees benefits, how to screw them out of overtime. Hell, I saw this with my own eyes. Over twenty years ago I worked for an inventory service that had the Wal Mart account. We'd travel the South and Midwest, counting the inventory of WalMarts. I got a good close look at how WalMart was run, and how Sam operated, and believe me, he wasn't the person that he showed the world.

WalMart didn't change on account of his death. Nope, they're still following in his footsteps, they're just a bit more up front about it, that's all.

[rhett o rick]

20. Now that Wal-Mart has bled the poor people dry, they will try to change their image and go after

the middle class dollar. Not too long ago they had a significant profit drop, big enough to effect the Dow Jones average. A corp exec at the time explained that the poor people, their target, were running out of money. Watch out Target.

[Maribelle]

24. Actually Target would want to capture Walmart's constituency.

And what on earth makes you think that if the super walmarts never ever existed in those huge lots, the super targets, or the super anything else would not be there?

[rhett o rick]

68. From your reply either you didn't read my post or you don't understand it.

Wal-mart had a major drop in profits. A top exec said it is because "their constituency" as you call them are out of money. You can only get so much money from the poor. I predict that Wal-Mart, currently shunned by the middle class will change their image and go for a piece of the Target "constituency".

[madmom]

70. Ummm.. I really hate to tell you this, but Wal-Mart, at least the one I

work at is NOT shunned by the middle class or even the "upper" class of my town. I've lived here for about 40 some years and know who's who in this town and our clientele is quite diverse.We have several other department stores in the area,including Target.I shop at Target, I shop at Wal-Mart, hell I even shop at Dollar General if they have what I'm looking for,so you statement is inherently false.

[rhett o rick]

72. I yield to your staunch research. And watch out for the lead in your cereal.

just sayin

[madmom]

73. let's see if I buy say Cheerios at Wal-Mart they are different from the Cheerios I buy

at say K-mart or any other grocery store, how? just sayin"

[rhett o rick]

74. You are supporting a company that is anti-union and treats it's employees badly and

buys tons of goods from communist China where they use slave labor and pollute, etc.

I can not believe any Democrat, unless you are poor, would shop at Wal-Mart. Spend the few cents and support a local store.

[madmom]

78. I work at Wal-Mart and while yes it is a non union shop, I am treated quite good compared to

when I worked at Meijer department store a union shop.I know first hand about 20 or so employees went to Wal-mart from there. Yes I am a democrat and I am not poor (all though I'm not rich either)when I go to our local shop I see the same identical products that I see at Wal-Mart, only they cost more.I know the employees make less money, used to be one, so tell me how I'm such a bad person for paying less, and not giving these other stores my money.The only way products are different is if you buy the store brand and then I wonder if they truly are,there is not one factory that makes for Wal-mart and another that makes for Target, and yet another that makes for K-mart etc., you get my point, I hope. Besides like I said people of all persuasions are shopping there.

[rhett o rick]

79. IMHO, unions made the middle class. Corporations that are trying to bust unions

are killing the middle-class. Buying their products from China where there are no regulations on health or safety. Where they can pollute the planet and use children as slaves. Not me

[madmom]

80. so why just single out Wal-mart, they all sell the same products, why the double standard?

[rhett o rick]

81. They don't all sell the same products. Almost all of the trouble we have been having

with poisons in our food and animal food comes from China. Wal-Mart gets lots of products from China. For example, i was buying a standard brand of cat food until i found out part of it was poison and came from China. Now I no longer buy the Big Brand Box Store cat food. It costs me more but safety is worth it.

Wal-Mart contracts out massive orders of products from China. Probably more than anyone else. These products are made with slave labor and are putting our workers out of work.

I pick on Wal-Mart because they are the biggest offender. They sell cheap products made with little or no regulations and many times dangerous and the unsuspecting buy them.

Buy American, support unions, help the middle class survive.

[ProudDad]

62. Don't worry -- that whole house of cards

is floating on a sea of cheap oil.

There will NEVER be cheap oil again.

Buy local...

Buy used...

Or don't buy at all!

[LostinVA]

27. *yawn* -- next?

[earth mom]

28. Meanwhile the Hillary lovers say: Nothing to see here, move along.

:puke:

[SHRED]

30. they "yawn" like it doesn't bug them

[wintersoulja]

31. Not the half of it

Most Favored Nation status for China? Fast track authority?
NAFTA? Those are just the obvious ones. If I wasnt so lazy Id
look for the breaks and advantages given to a company that does
all its (domestic) transit by trucks. Im sure there were some favorable
laws passed for that sort of environmentally unsound conduct.

Whats missing from supporters' understanding of Hillary's real relationship
with the Walton beast is ANY personal knowledge of who her FRIENDS are, and I
mean PERSONAL friends. Having met some back in the early 90's (Arky wal-mart heirs with the same last name as two brothers who conducted the impeachment proceedings)
I can tell you they are inclined to associate with SUPER RICH and quite NASTY conservatives.
Im still shivering from the vicious tabloid I spotted in the daughter's lavatory.
Just judge her experience by her deeds, and dont judge her by campaign spin.
"She faught for unions and gender equity" LOF'NLOUD!!!!
heed my words here. vote your interest, not that of the filthy rich.

[wintersoulja]

32. PLEASE read my post!

thank you.

[SHRED]

33. I hear ya

We need Democrats who side with Populism...not Corporatism.

Period!

[OhioChick]

55. I Agree wuth You 100% n/t

[rhett o rick]

77. Whaaa. You are responding to yur own post by saying read my post? I am comfused.

But i agree wit you. Heavenhelpme

[hedgehog]

36. I've heard that Hillary Clinton was the first woman to sit on the board at Wal-Mart.

Can we take her outstanding efforts for women and low wage workers as a foretaste of what she will do for us as first woman President?

[antigop]

38. ''.. no evidence she did anything to improve the status of women or make it a very different place"

From post #6

''There's no evidence she did anything to improve the status of women or make it a very different place in ways Mrs. Clinton's Democratic base would care about," said Liza Featherstone, author of ''Selling Women Short: The Landmark Battle for Worker's Rights at Wal-Mart."

[Maribelle]

48. But that's not what Sam Walton said, and he should know who influenced him, correct?

When Walton died, with him went the redeeming features of Wal-Mart.

[antigop]

51. I didn't say Sam Walton said that--- go read post #6. GEESH! n/t

[Maribelle]

53. Please. The quote you posted contradicts what Sam Walton said.

Please stop skewing what I posted.

[antigop]

56. Please -- go read post #6. n/t

[antigop]

58. While you're at it, tell us what Hillary did at the Rose Law firm.. n/t

[wintersoulja]

66. well, what she didnt do was litigate

according to Wikipedia, anyway.
Not sure what you do at a law firm as a partner and all if you dont handle cases.
But Im sure she was a valuable person in some way or another.

[hedgehog]

37. I've heard that Hillary Clinton was the first woman to sit on the board at Wal-Mart.

Can we take her outstanding efforts for women and low wage workers as a foretaste of what she will do for us as first woman President?

[wintersoulja]

45. viva Wal-Mart!

after all, they are always ready to employ undocumented workers.
Not to mention their safety and health policies.
Thanks Mrs Clinton!

[rinsd]

46. Still relying on RW bullshit.

Anything to attack Hillary :eyes:

[wintersoulja]

50. way to refute

I surrender!

[rinsd]

54. Fresno? Rimjob is that you?

[wintersoulja]

64. No, Ms Matlin

but Ive stared him in the face many a time. Likes to call me a NAZI as he drags the flag on the ground and his lunatic friends shout "Jew Haters!" on a megaphone for an hour straight, at my friends.
Oh, if only you were worthy of some of my stories...
They REALLY hate me.
And I dont blame them.
Or you.

[wintersoulja]

65. Hey Jimbo!

Hopefully you'll get this somehow. When you go to a Hillary campaign stop like the one that took place at Fresno High (during school they let kids out for this kind of stuff? WOW) to protest, heres a tip: Whatever the size of your cardboard sign, dont put little bitty letters in the middle of it, irregardless of the ignorant illogical point youre trying to make, use the whole sign space to make your message legible from 5 feet and further, and check for spelling.
What I wouldnt give for a picture of you and that sign!!! What I get for breaking our camera...

[SHRED]

52. Oh that wasn't her in 2003...

...at her book signing at a Fairfax, Virginia Wal Mart...my bad.
:sarcasm:


And how about that Bill guy:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-06-16-clinton-tour_x.htm

[wintersoulja]

69. A shred of evidence

Now if the refutations were only as complete as that.
I have to control my impulses towards the underdogs, and
NOT feel sorry for Wal-Marts campaign supporters.