Obama is losing the latino vote in Nevada 65% to 20%

[Herman Munster]

Very bad for his prospects in California.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NVDEM

[water]

1. I like to think...

...that latinos don't vote as a group, with each man and woman making his/her own individual decision.

That being said, congrats on the likely win in Nevada. :)

[Benhurst]

28. Unfortunately, race still plays a part in American politics. It may

very well have hurt Obama today in Nevada. Next week it may help him in South Carolina. And if he gets the nomination, it may hurt him in the national campaign.

It would be nice if it were no longer a factor; but it is.

At least it is no longer as large a factor as religion. Can you imagine an openly atheistic candidate or even an agnostic one getting the nomination of either party these days? This is especially ironic given most of our founding fathers were Deists who had rejected Christianity.

[BadgerLaw2010]

2. Win black vote, get hammered in Latino and white vote...yeah, that'll work. Not.

Whoever came up with this particular racial tilt to his campaign should be axed, tarred and feathered. Latinos don't exactly dig this sort of thing.

I thought Obama was supposed to be post-racial.

[mrmx9]

5. Surprising Bill Clinton isn't concerned about racism in Caucus voting!

[cali]

8. I'll tell you who came up with it

The Clinton campaign. They had their surrogates out for weeks pointing out how black Obama is. They're the ones that injected race- not Obama.

[BadgerLaw2010]

11. Clinton made Obama supporters call Clinton racist and Obama go on Oprah?

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

[chascarrillo]

37. Oprah?

I'll spell it out: What. The. Fuck?

[Essene]

60. The clintons engaged in 2 weeks of racial baiting and smears.

The media and folks here want to pretend he "played the race card" which is a lie.

[DURHAM D]

24. Horse manure...

[TeamJordan23]

10. And you are blaming for BO for this? nm

[ecstatic]

21. It's not Obama's fault that so many Americans can't get past race

You should place the blame where it belongs.

[Essene]

61. nevermind...

nevermind... i thought you said "black" americans.

[Nedsdag]

3. Yeah!

Go ahead and gloat.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Well when folks' pollsters keeps saying in the media "Hispanics don't vote for Black people"....

what do you expect?

Divide and conquer.

So what else is new?

[dempartisan23]

6. wow

great news for mrs clinton. mr obama will have to work hard for more latino support.

[David Zephyr]

7. Why do so many of your posts, Herman, always seem to deal with race?

Why is that?

[IndianaJones]

9. you seem concerned. nt.

[bigdarryl]

12. Latinos don't vote for black candidates thats a fact

[AlCzervik]

15. he's got 24% of their vote so far so ass usual BD you're incorrect. Bless your heart.

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[David Zephyr]

25. What an ignorant comment. Explain Evo Morales' smashing victory in Bolivia.

By the way, I will not respond to any comment you may make to justify the vulgar comment you made above.

[David Zephyr]

22. I'm sorry, but that is a very ugly thing that you wrote. Nevermind that it is inflamatory & not true

My family is mixed (latino and white) and your vile generalization insults latinos & African-Americans and has no place on a progressive web site.

[TriMetFan]

30. Thats bull shit.

Some may not, just like whites or blacks. I'm latino and I don't care if the person is white, black, brown or whatever color. If they can do the job then its fine with me.

[TwilightGardener]

13. How exciting for your girl, that there's such racial division in this country!

Boy, I hope she can keep capitalizing on it! Good for her!

[TwilightGardener]

19. By the way, Katz, you were right.

[ronnykmarshall]

39. Talk about sour grapes.

[TwilightGardener]

40. I get that way sometimes. But I also think that trumpeting the prediction

that Obama isn't going to win California because it's full of Latinos is kind of uncool. The OP is implying that Obama's loss among Nevada Latinos isn't because of his debate performance, his campaigning, or anything else that they might have seen up close--the OP is extrapolating a racial preference among Latinos across the board that will help Hillary. I don't think that's happy news for the country, myself, if true.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. You know what?

You where very down and upset when the votes started coming in for NH and I patted you on the back and told you to keep the faith.

But now ... forget it.

This is just shit.

[TwilightGardener]

57. Well, if you can't understand why Obama supporters might get upset

that Hillary supporters are promoting the idea that Obama can't win the Latino vote, then I don't know what to say. It's probably not the best idea for a thread today, IMO. Lots of raw feelings.

[ronnykmarshall]

65. I stand by my statement.

My candidate lost in Iowa and I was upset. Did I throw a fucking shit fit? No. Your cadidate lost in NH ... did I gloat and talk shit to you? NO.

Don't take your shit out on me.

Sorry I tired to be nice to your ass during the NH primary.

[TwilightGardener]

66. ?--You responded to me first by calling me "sour grapes"--actually, that

might have been applicable if I had ever complained that Obama lost because of voting machines, or because whites are racist, or dirty tricks, or whatever--but I didn't. I didn't "take any shit" out on you, or insult you, or do anything other than reply to the OP and reply to you when you replied to me, and I did so respectfully. I did not turn up on one thread today trying to belittle Hillary's win, or excuse Obama's loss. All I did was get a little annoyed at a Hillary supporter pushing a damaging meme (that happens to be beneficial to Hillary, whether anyone wants to admit that or not) about Obama--this isn't a victory/celebratory thread, mind you, or a pro-Hillary thread, it's a slam-Obama thread--and thus I responded. All I'm saying is this isn't the day for BS like this.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. You wanna play the victim, go right ahead.

Later.

[KennedyGuy]

14. looks like Obamas race baiting failed..

[TwilightGardener]

17. No, more like Hillary's race baiting succeeded.

[KennedyGuy]

20. no looks like Barakies did

he is the one who had his surrogates run the commercial in spanish.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Nope, your girl's surrogates did the damage. Hey, be happy she wins with it--

you should be gleeful that Latinos don't like blacks.

[KennedyGuy]

27. wow..you really are a racist ass

sounds real HOPEful

[TwilightGardener]

29. Nope, it's Hillary supporters who are pointing out the huge disparity

in the Latino vote, not me. I can only conclude that you're happy she wins, however she may have to do it. I didn't start this thread, remember.

[KennedyGuy]

sort of like throwing them "gays" under the bus eh?

we all know some folks don't like THEM much..

[TwilightGardener]

33. Hmm, your arguments must have run dry, because you're going off on

an unrelated tangent. See ya!

[TwilightGardener]

59. By the way, accusing a black man of race-baiting kind of makes YOU

look like the racist ass here.

[TriMetFan]

32. "you should be gleeful that Latinos don't like blacks."

You are full of shit!!!!!!!! If latinos hated blacks then people like myself would have to hate myself. You are one dumb shit!

[KennedyGuy]

34. indeed he is..glad I got another racist to put me on ignore...

[TwilightGardener]

35. I didn't say they did--just that the OP was all about the disparity in the Latino vote.

The implication was that Latinos don't like Obama. Don't know if that's because he's black or not, but if it is, it certainly helps Hillary, n'est-ce pas? That's not a jugdment, just pointing out the end result.

[desi]

43. Yo a head's up. Some of US Latinos ARE Black

we are also Brown. There is NO such thing as racism against OR between Latinos. I did not experience racism until I stepped off an airplane unto these shores. You won't hear that "I have Black friends" from this quarter, what you will hear is that I have Black AND Brown relatives. Cut the shit...

[TwilightGardener]

44. I'm responding to the OP, genius. Read what he wrote. He's saying

that Obama won't have support in Latino-heavy CA. I have no idea if that's true, but I don't think it's something to crow about. And, on edit--responding to the poster who implied that it's all Obama's fault for "race-baiting".

[desi]

45. Why the name calling?

I replied to YOUR post which included the following: "Hey, be happy she wins with it--

you should be gleeful that Latinos don't like blacks.

Inform yourself so you do not make idiotic statements.

[TwilightGardener]

53. You're right, I should not have called you "genius".

But again, the idea that Latinos won't vote for Obama originated from the OP as a reason why Obama didn't win Nevada and won't win CA--and I'm pretty sure it isn't because Obama has big ears--so your beef is with him, not me. I'm not the one coming up with idiotic statements, I'm just riffing on someone else's.

[TriMetFan]

68. And what you are telling the...

rest of us Latinos is that you would rather believe what the OP said?????? How do know that some of us are just sick of men running our Nation into the ground????? How do you know that in the Latino homes the women is the head of the house hold??????? Not everything is about race.

[Essene]

55. Stop lying. Clinton did the race baiting.

[robbedvoter]

18. Bad topic.

[LittleBlue]

26. It's over. If Latinos won't vote for Obama, it's pointless.

They'll just do us in during the general. When their own unions are behind him, and they still won't vote for him, I don't think America will vote for him. I assume such a large margin has to do with race when it is so disproportionate with other groups.

[EffieBlack]

31. Why do you assume that because more Latinos voted for Clinton then Obama

could not win the Latino vote in the General Election? How does a preference for Clinton over Barack in the primary translate into a preference for a Republican over Obama in the GE?

Did you assume that because white people in Iowa preferred Obama to Clinton then Hillary didn't have a chance to win the white vote in the General?

[David Zephyr]

38. Are you Latino? What insight to Latinos do you have?

Such racial sterotyping and generalizations are very inappropriate. My family is 1/2 Latino and I find your broad brush characterizations offensive.

[Essene]

58. Silly statements - race being such an issue hurts everybody

Hillary Clinton getting strong latino showing doesnt mean they cant support Obama (esp when the facts show that's not true).

The issue is that Clinton's camp has been stirring up racial division and it paid off here.

It will do the reverse in SC.

Either way... making race into an issue hurt Obama in the end and hurts the entire Democratic party.

Fools.

[ursi]

36. the hidden story here is how many were legal?

The LV casino industry wants to be able to hire illegals. The scams that go on in this state are amazing - related to identity theft, etc. with employers keeping lists of names and SSN that can be used. Homeland Security busted McDonalds for doing that recently. Everyone is afraid to go after the casinos.

[desi]

49. Oh boy. We hit the trifecta here. Latinos voted Clinton because WE are racists,

also so fucking stupid that we think we are voting for Bill Clinton instead of Senator Clinton and now you chime in with the legal-v-illegal bullshit. I bet you think that all Latinos who do not speak El Ingles are "illegal."

[ellisonz]

42. They're voting for her husband.

[desi]

47. Oh so now we are not only racists

we are also so fucking dumb that we have no idea whose name is on the god damn ballot or whom we are voting for. WTF is wrong with accepting the fact that "they" voted for Senator Clinton?

[calico1]

63. Incredible, isn't it?

I just love the way we Latinos are treated like one big, non thinking blob.

Yeah, that's the way to get more of us to vote for Obama. Treat us like we are STUPID.:mad:

[desi]

64. It's sad really since so many of us are loyal Democrats

and do not have a racist bone in our bodies. I was undecided until I saw the terrible way Hillary and then Bill were treated here, especially by the Obama supporters. This household is now solidly behind Hillary as we were for Bill during the Republican witch hunt to remove him from office after we had voted for him twice. Much gusto y Buena Suerte.

Orlando/desi

[ellisonz]

70. I don't think it's just Latinos that are voting for her because of her husband.

I mean really, her "35 years of expierence" is a complete invocation of her husband's presidency.

[ellisonz]

69. Because her husband so far out in front of the campaign...

that it's hard to tell who will actually be making decisions.

[ellisonz]

72. I would also point out that is the way the Clinton's seem to approach African Americans too.

[William769]

51. So your saying they voted for Michelle?

[desi]

52. roflmaoff

:spank: You are bad Billy :rofl:

[ellisonz]

71. In part.

[annie1]

46. how in the hell did that happen? ?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

48. I'd be astonished if he could win in CA.

Hell, Hillary could probably be governor of CA if the Presidency doesn't work out.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Obama's desperate attempt to SwiftBoat Clinton on Race failed in NV.

Nevada's Hispanics aren't as stupid as Obama was Hoping.

[Essene]

56. And these lies about how Obama played the race card will destroy the Dem party & cause a loss in Nov

[Essene]

54. HIllary Clinton's race baiting is working... alienating black voters & hyping white/latino backlash

All you people who find this entertaining or acceptable in the democratic party disgust me.

[AngryAmish]

62. Reading the posts above people seemed shocked that Latinos did not vote for BO

At least in Chicago Latinos tend not to vote for Blacks and vice versa in tightly contested races.

This is a fact.

Individual candidates can always vary the vote.

Grow up. Acting offended because someone points out this fact won't change the fact or give you more credibility.

[2rth2pwr]

73. How dare you actually inject facts? The nerve. nt

[gdaerin]

74. what, the caucus is still going on?! nt