Obama moves "Be a Democrat for a day" to California..

[KennedyGuy]

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26857

"Below is part of an email going out to Californians, which my friends have been to kind enough to share. I'm not registered in my home state right now, so they knew I'd want to see it:


... ... Remember, you do not need to be a Democrat to participate in the primary. Republicans and unaffiliated voters who choose "Decline to State" as their party preference can vote for Senator Obama.

Once someone is registered as "Decline to State," here's how it works:

Unaffiliated voters must specifically request a Democratic ballot. If they are voting in person, they can request the ballot at the polling place.

If they are voting by mail, they must contact their County Elections Officer and request a Democratic ballot ... .. Our campaign wants as many Californians as possible to participate in the Democratic primary -- to support Barack, but also to reconnect with the political process. ... ..


It's seems obvious the Obama campaign realizes their candidate can't win the nomination with Democrats alone. So why not bring in other people, even those who have no intention of voting for him in the general? Great way to stack the game in favor of our opponents. Let them choose our nominee".

[Bonobo]

1. snip, snip, snip, enter.

yawn.

[KennedyGuy]

6. good to see you still following me bon bon

[Bonobo]

7. Hard to miss you, A of 1.

[KennedyGuy]

9. Shit..your nose is so far up my ass that if I stop suddenly, your head would be inserted

bet you'd like that..

[Bonobo]

10. Blech, I just puked.

[KennedyGuy]

14. but you're still enjoying the aroma...

[jefferson_dem]

2. Is Taylor Marsh making shit up again?

Do you have any source other than a proven liar?

[KennedyGuy]

4. can you refute it?

[wyldwolf]

8. no he can't refute it. Notice how Obama supporters have taken ANOTHER page from the right wing?

Attack the source/deny the fact.

[jefferson_dem]

36. The FACTS. Shillbot Taylor Marsh lied again.

"Unaffiliated" voters can participate in the Democratic Party's primary. Republicans cannot.

Modified Closed Primary System
California currently has a "modified" closed primary system. SB 28 (Ch. 898, Stats. 2000), relating to primary elections, was chaptered on September 29, 2000 and took effect on January 1, 2001. SB 28 implemented a "modified" closed primary system that permits unaffiliated ("decline to state") voters to participate in a primary election if authorized by an individual party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State.
(Ch. 898, Stats. 2000)

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm

[wyldwolf]

40. they like to throw around the word 'lie,' too. They share that trait with the right wing as well.

[jefferson_dem]

24. What's to refute?

Taylor's a fucking liar. That's not even arguable.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. See my post #22

[jefferson_dem]

37. Thanks, Ronny.

Can I pet Chi-Chi now?

[ronnykmarshall]

38. OK

She won't bite, I just fed her.

[avrdream]

3. Shit and I thought California was one of the states where that couldn't be done.

There are lots of Republicans in California - the only thing working against Obama's idea is that the Republican race won't be set by that day so the Repubs are going to need to vote for their own candidate. They may not be able to risk voting for Obama.

[Bluestar]

5. Well, today is the deadline for registered Repukes to switch their alliance

to "decline to state". I think this is too little too late to make a difference.

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. This sucks

The rules in California for primaries were changed a number of years back to prevent them from being open primaries. This is an obvious attempt to get around that.

When I lived in California in 2000 primaries were still open. Given that they were I chose to vote in the Republican rather than Democratic primary because I was fearful of George W. Bush's ties to Right Wing Christians and I wanted to make sure he had no chance to become President. So I voted for McCain even though I always knew that I would vote for either Gore or Bradly even if McCain won the Republican nomination. The system was set up to game so I gamed it, for sincere reasons in may case since I actually did prefer McCain to Bush, but it was gaming just the same since I knew I wouldn't vote for McCain over a Democcrat.

Californians do not support open primaries and I don't either. To attempt to manipulate a closed Democratic primary into an open one is inherently unethical and troubling to me, even if the technical rules allow it.

[Gloria]

15. Correction: HE sucks!

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. I'll stick with my original wording. Thanks anyway

But this is an aspect of his campaign which does suck.

[msongs]

12. the factual part is true, the last sentences are opinion...

independents can vote in the democratic primary. they cannot vote in the republican primary. the republican primary is designed to keep the wingnuts as nominees. the repubs do not want indies and dems voting for a moderate.

it would be no suprise to hear that a campaign wants people to vote for its candidate now, would it?

even those hillary supporters who are labeled as gestapo here on DU

Msongs

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. So, he is attempting to get those right-wing neo-cons who hate Clinton

to vote for him in the primary.

Lovely.

[ClericJohnPreston]

16. Business as usual

for the "above going negative, I want to run a different campaign Obama".

Seems like more of what we saw in Nevada.

So desperate to "win" anything, his partisans see nothing wrong with his conciliatory tone and reaching out to RETHUGS for poltical expedience only.

There is nothing Progressive about Obama. The only change he sells is cosmetic.

Back at chimpy above: YAWN!!!

P.S. KennedyGuy, I have noted that Bonobo follows you everywhere. Nice. A stalker.

[ccpup]

32. you ain't nobody 'till you got your own Stalker

:evilgrin:

[rox63]

17. No candidate will win the GE with only members of their own party

They will need independents and crossover votes. And if there are some indies and repukes out there who might vote for Obama in the GE, they might also want to vote for him in the primary. I don't see a problem here. :shrug:

[robbedvoter]

21. But this IS the primary, hence this IS a dirty trick

Even if it is YOUR candidate who did it

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. We want to appeal to Independents

But we want to have our own Party also, why not all just be non partisan if that weren't the case? We want to nominate Democrats who we feel good about being Democrats to run for President, not just the Sam Nunn's who run down to caucus with Michael Bloomberg and Christine Whitman to establish a "Third Way". It is the delicate balence but the line still is clear. We can't give up too much control of our nomination process to Independents or we just might end up with a few too many Joe Lieberman types winning slots on our tickets. I am not claiming that Obama isn't a good Democrat but this is a lousy way to show it. Independents and Republicans chose not to be Democrats intentionally, often they do not share all of our values.

Yes it is true that we DO want to nominate Democrats who are skillful enough to appeal to Independents once they are our nominee in the General Election. Barack Obama has a strong case to make that he can be that Democrat for us. I acknowledge that. But I supporta closed primary system, where Democrats can appeal to other Democrats for their support first, citing their appeal with independents if that is part of a winning case for them, before going out to win over the general public.

If more Democrats believe that Hillary Clinton can best advance the Democratic agenda - factoring in their desire to select someone who can win the General Electon, that is meaningful in a contest for the Democratic nomination. Democrats want to win in November. Let Obama make his case that he is the best guy to make that happen. But not by inviting Republicans into the Democratic polling booths.

[robbedvoter]

18. It's Clinton's fault! Mighty Clenis made him do it! remember that?

[KennedyGuy]

19. gotta love the Clenis...

[robbedvoter]

23. never stops making self righteous people do bad things...

Remember when they said Enron & al were caused by his bad example?
I am sure Obama only lies because of the Monica affair - otherwise he wouldn't even know what that is!

[sufrommich]

33. I had a republican teacher tell me that 6th grade girls

were growing up too fast because.you guessed it:CLENIS!!!Never mind the constant mass media shit being thrown at them 24/4,it's all about the mighty CLENIS!

[ronnykmarshall]

22. Buuzzzz!

Wrong!

Republicans can NOT vote in the Democratic primary in California.

Only those that are registered "Independent" or "Declined to state" can request a Democratic ballot.

The Republican primary is closed to Republicans only.

The only way a Republican or Green or any other party can vote is to change their party to Independent, Decline to state or Democrat before the registration deadline. We don't have any same day registration in California.

[loveangelc]

25. so?

[Mz Pip]

26. Not everyone who

is "Decline to State" is an opponent of the Democratic Party. Mr Pip and son are DSers and consistantly vote Democratic. Both have every intention of voting for the Democratic nominee come November.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ClericJohnPreston]

31. The point is

the disingenuous nature of selling yourself as a Progressive agent of "change", when you are merely a moderate to conservative huckster, pandering for votes.

Unseemly comes to mind!:thumbsdown:

[BenDavid]

29. Obama a great day on 1/19/09 HRC even greater day on1/20/09

[peoli]

30. The deadline to register to vote in California is tomorrow, Jan. 22. Online registration is CLOSED.

Nice of you to spread smears Kennedyguy

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm

[ClericJohnPreston]

34. Nicer yet for obama

to pull the stunt!

[peoli]

35. you think Barack Obama has told his campaign to sned this email?

Do you SERIOUSLY think that? Honestly?

[ClericJohnPreston]

41. Guess

he must have slept through that tactic in Nevada. I saw it. Give me a break.

JUST BECAUE HIS PARTISANS ARE WILLFULLY IGNORANT, DON'T ASSUME WE ALL ARE.

[Frances]

39. Are you saying the email is bogus?

Or are you saying that the info in the email is erroneous?

If the email is not bogus, it could have been sent much earlier when there was time to change registration. The poster received the email from friends who forwarded it on to him.

[peoli]

43. are you saying the obama campaign sent it or the hillary44 campaign?

[Frances]

44. All I know is what I've read on this thread

The original poster said that his friends received the email and forwarded it to him.

The original poster assumed an Obama supporter sent it.

I don't know if that is true or not. If an Obama supporter did send it, I don't know if Obama knew anything about it.

I assume neither an Edwards nor a Hillary supporter sent it because it would do their candidates no good at all no matter how it's interpreted.

I was asking if you had more information.

[TeamJordan23]

42. Nice to see we are using links from Rush Limbaugh

I mean Taylor Marsh. Hard to tell the difference between the two.