Every DEMOCRAT is asking themselves tonight if THEY will be left out of Obama's non universal plan

[Proud2BAmurkin]

"Am I one of the FIFTEEN MILLION"

[Politicub]

1. I'm gay, so I'm sure I'll be left out

He wouldn't want to get the exgays' and their supporters' knickers in a twist.

[mondo joe]

I'm sure his friends will lobby for a Restorative Therapy benefit for gays.

:puke:

[Politicub]

12. The sad thing is

it's not too far from the truth.

[maddiejoan]

19. We're covered

if Jesus heals us!

It's part of the "Love the Sinner Plan"

[tabatha]

2. Hillary is forcing everyone into her plan whether they could afford it or not.

[hfojvt]

3. they are?

I am asking myself if I will be forced to buy health insurance I cannot afford, in the same way I am forced to buy car insurance.

[rodeodance]

4. yes, many will ask that question.

[Chovexani]

5. Oh I know I'll be left out

I'm sure there's no provision for fake ass Jim Crow marriage aka civil unions.

[Mojambo]

6. Nah. I bet some are asking themselves how American Gladiators got back on the air. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

7. I'm a Democrat and I'm not asking.

Just sayin'.

[stray cat]

8. My understanding is you are left out if you refuse to participate

So if you want in you are in. However, you won't go to jail if you don't buy in. You just may not get treated but thats your call. Edwards and Hillary mandate coverage so there will be a penalty civil or legal if you don't participate.

[debbierlus]

9. We need a SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PLAN

NOT FOR PROFIT MANDATORY

[Bluerthanblue]

27. key word- SINGLE PAYER- "universal" is not the same thing, despite Hillary's

successful attempt to confuse those don't listen carefully.

The only significant difference between her plan, and Obama's is the her plan will REQUIRE people PURCHASE health insurance, or be fined.

I agree completely we need not for profit- single payer- universal health care.

[oviedodem]

10. I am sure many are also asking

Will pay a fine if I don't choose a plan?

OR

Should I pay my mortgage, buy food, or pay for my insurance?

[madrchsod]

11. the only plan is dennis`s plan

hillary`s and barrack`s plans are stupid,john`s isn`t as bad....

[matcom]

13. wait ... *I'M* a DEMOCRAT

i'm not asking that.

OOPS! you missed one! :think:

oh wait. it's you.

nevermind. you wouldn't understand anyway.

:rofl:

[calmblueocean]

14. So you think forcing poor people to pay for health insurance instead of food for their kids

... is the way to go?

[JVS]

20. Maybe the kids can get a perscription for some medicinal mac n cheese.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. sure- their kids can survive on the "free-lunches"

:sarcasm:
It is the shelter issue that scares the hell out of me-

Excellent point Calmblueocean.

You obviously understand this issue.

:hi:

[CelloPaddy]

15. No I'm asking myself if I could afford the mandated Hillarycare

along with my Huge student loans. Probably not. I never thought I'd be homeless . . .

[loveangelc]

16. why should I be forced into a healthcare plan I don't want?

[Egnever]

17. I am asking myself what kinds of fines I will have to pay

Cause I cant afford the mandate

[eridani]

18. Kids like the kid I was will be left out for sure

Nice to insure kids, but what about us healthy little rugrats who wen't hungry because their PARENTS did not have health insurance.

[ProSense]

21. Barack Obama and Health Care

Barack Obama and Health Care

[CTLawGuy]

22. Oh how I WISH

Obama was forcing me to buy private insurance! Now I am lonely and uninsured because I'm not being fined for not buying private insurance! I'm being left out! :sob:

[GalleryGod]

23. Not me.

The Boys caucus for Obama

[MoonRiver]

24. I have excellent insurance which enabled me to catch a precancerous condition

before it became really dangerous.

But I know many dear friends, and yes a few relatives, who don't have insurance or Medicaid, and are just hoping for the best. Health, which is in general beyond one's control, shouldn't be dependent on hope. Good health care should be guaranteed to every American citizen. PERIOD.

[robbedvoter]

25. I had none during Reagan, so I guess it's that time again...

Because those "entitlement" liberals and their excesses were wrong, wrong, wrong!

[ljm2002]

26. It will be your choice...

...there is no mandate, so people can opt out of coverage.

Personally I find all of their plans idiotic. We need Kucinich's plan, the only plan that makes sense, which is universal SINGLE PAYER health care. It gets rid of all the issues brought up last night: no one is left out, no one can opt out, no one has to worry about fines and penalties if they don't buy the "affordable" insurance, no one has to worry that enough people will opt out that it weakens the system or that they can game the system.

But if I had to go with a plan between Obama and Clinton, I'd go with the non-mandated plan, since I really strongly do not want yet another government mandate that I am now responsible for buying insurance and dealing with the associated paperwork (am I the only person who thinks that drowning in paperwork is one of the banes of modern existence here in the US?).

[MoonRiver]

28. Health insurance has to be mandated.

Poor people won't have it otherwise. DUH.

[ljm2002]

30. Not sure we're talking about the same thing...

...yes, you have to make special arrangements for poor people to have health insurance, basically subsidizing it. The "mandate" as I understand it, is that we will all be required to carry health insurance one way or another. The question then becomes, what are the penalties for those (say, someone in the middle class who is just scraping by, and who does not feel they can afford the health insurance as set forth by the government program)? And how does that help anything?

Again -- there are problems like this already cropping up in Massachusetts, and that is no surprise at all. You can say that those who do not purchase insurance are deadbeats or irresponsible, it doesn't matter. The fact is, the best solution is universal single payer health care for all. It simplifies everything, makes sure everyone is covered, and costs less overall than any other system. And it has the added advantage that it does not impose yet another government mandate, another way for us to get fined if we don't "get with the program".